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Subject: Phew that is deep water for sure, whether icy or not

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Sandy

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Date Posted: 18:55:47 05/03/10 Mon
In reply to: Hillbilly 's message, "The Resurrections Post #11" on 20:06:57 04/30/10 Fri

Yes, I can see what your saying there about the temple in heaven.

Except I would also add the tabernacle that was on earth also represents a depiction of mankind somewhat too as I see it.

Not that you are wrong in what you are saying either as I do not see you are about this also depicting the temple in Heaven as well.

But just saying I also see our flesh representing the outer court of the Mosaic temple, our soul representing the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies representing the most Holy place as well. Not to confuse this with the temple that is in Heaven either, as there certainly is one. But to see the believers as the temples of God today that are in Christ. Except that our outer court is sinful even as that believer, needing to be changed or ultimately destroyed, just as it says there in Rm. 6:6. Which will happen eventually when we are resurrected in that final resurrection of course. But if we are in Him and HIS house, then we are also spiritually with him at this time too, which it says we are in Eph. 2:5-6 as well as some other places in scripture also, I believe.

But still, as I see it, God intended for us to be the temples of God within the inner man, much as Jesus was. Except our flesh is sinful still, whereas HIS never was ever. Even as that man. If it had been, He could not have been the sacrifice for us on that cross after all. But we are able to come before the throne in sacrifices and prayers as well, can we not, since we are in Christ spiritually? Even though true, we are only there in spirit of course, and not as Christ is as of yet.

The scriptures I am seeing this thru is written first of all in what it does say about us in 1st Cor. 3:16-17. Which clearly says the one that does abide in christs as He abides in them are his temples today on this earth at this time. Those temples, making up the church or body of Christ that is here at this time of course.

So am wondering, just how this fits in with what you are saying so far. Which I also need to look at again, studying closer too. As like Dori, I need to re read several times what you have written about this concerning what you are seeing about the sea especially.

But did want to add that, as it probably does have something to do with what we are speaking of here possibly as well. It could as I see it so far anyway.

Also not sure if your saying we cannot enter in totally into the place where Christ is while still here on this earth or not? My seeing we can, at least at this time anyway. But mainly because of what Peter writes in 1st Pet. 2:5. At least at this time, I believe we are able to. But will wait until you do add more to this of course.

But did want to add that for you to consider possibly at the same time too. But also not wanting to cause confusion hopefully either. If I am, just let me know, and I will shut up. LOL OK?

Blessings,
Sandy

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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 19:28:38 05/03/10 Mon

What you are saying of the representation of the Temple and the body is just as true as the heavenly temple. I have addressed only the reason I believe the "sea" might likely be frozen water i.e. crystal. The references I gave were to show there is still a multitude of water in the heavens and not just the first heaven which is the atmosphere we breathe. Truly we are the temple of God at this time but only as you say in the spiritual sense.

As everything in the Tabernacle in the wilderness and then the Temple which Solomon built is representative of the temple in Heaven there must be a representation of the "sea" before the throne which John sees so many souls standing on.
I see this as a "holding place" if you will just as "Abraham's Bosom" (Luke 16:22) i.e. paradise (Lk. 23:43)was a holding place for the saved Old Testament Saints until the Perfect Sacrifice on Calvary was accomplished.

Those souls there on the "sea" would be waiting for their bodies in the resurrection. They would be tribulation saints and later on, saints who died during the millennium. They would not be allowed into the third heaven until they had been resurrected into their bodies and judged.

As a side note. Many have wondered how Satan could come into the presence of God in Heaven (Job 1 and 2) after being cast out. The outer court of the temple explains it. The profane could come into the outer court (sin can be in the flesh) but without the blood applied no one could get to the holy places. That is the connection. The water in the temple was for a ceremonial cleansing. Those who are on the sea in heaven are cleansed but they still can't get into the "most Holy Place" until after their judgment.

We must also remember that none of the souls on the "sea" awaiting judgment are Church age Christians. The Church is raised prior to the tribulation and is ruling and reigning with Christ at this time we are presented with in the Book of Revelation.

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SAndy
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Date Posted: 23:17:47 05/03/10 Mon

thanks Hillbilly. I agree. Although not sure who it might include entirely on my part anyway.

You also mentioned the children, which I thought was interesting too. Agreeing also with that.

As to anyone else, like I said, I really don't know. I do try not to assume anything when it comes to these judgments at all.

But true, it will definitely not include anyone that is in the first resurrection for sure.

But thanks for sharing this, as it is good to find someone else that is seeing people saved in that resurrection too.

Although true, there apparently was some of the OT saints that were resurrected before this one too. That is unless that one is not a corporate one, happening all at once for everyone either.

As I have looked at the possibilities of this being true about both as well.

But don't want to get into that, as it is only a possibility with me of course. meaning not something I am going to say for sure at all.

Oh the reason I said some seemed to be resurrected before, was because of what it does say in Mt. 27:52-53. But then it also says that David is not ascended into the heavens yet in Acts 2:34. So therefore, that your speaking of there would have to be some of the OT of course. As I do not see David being in hell, or cast into the Lake of Fire either. But it does suggest somewhat that all that is in death and hell will be cast into that lake of fire possibly. Just my thoughts on what I have seen to date anyways.

Appreciate you sharing this with me very much though.

Blessings to you and Dale both too.