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Subject: This one is puzzling to me, HB....
Author: dori	[ Next Thread \| Previous Thread \| Next Message \| Previous Message ] Date Posted: 23:03:30 05/25/10 Tue In reply to: Hillbilly 's message, "Dan. Chap 7 vss 24-28 post 41" on 18:38:58 05/11/10 Tue I hope you'll expand a bit more on it for the terminally dense--that be me. *-) [ Next Thread \| Previous Thread \| Next Message \| Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: The fourth Kingdom

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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 21:00:45 05/26/10 Wed

Dori, in order to have a better understanding we must go backward a little from verse 24. Looking at verse 23 which we touched on in post 40 we see this: Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

You might wonder how it could be the 4th kingdom on the earth when there have been many. We need to understand that God is pointing to specific kingdoms at specific times. This 4th kingdom or beast as it is described, is the last kingdom on earth when the Lord Jesus returns in the advent (see Zechariah 14 with Revelation 19:11-21). This 4th beast of Daniel 7 is the same kingdom that is shown in Daniel 2:40-44. In Daniel 2 only 4 Kingdoms are shown but they span 2,600 years. This 4th kingdom will be ruled by devils. Again we must realize the 1ron in the feet and toes of the 4th beast in Daniel 2 are not of the seed of Adam. They are of the seed of Satan. Verse 43 of Daniel 2 is the key to understanding this. If the clay is the seed of men then the iron can't be. The last kingdom which will have seven heads and ten horns will be ruled by devils! They will be on the thrones and probably in the White House. (We may already have one of them now). This is the reason Daniel could not believe what he was seeing in the vision of the 4th beast. This is why it was so dreadful and terrible. He saw the power of Satan unleashed in this 4th beast and it's kingdom.

We are being given bits and pieces of this through out Daniel. Each chapter dealing with the end time prophecies adds a little more to the puzzle yet we are never given the whole. Daniel was told to "shut up the words and seal the book,even to the time of the end:"(Dan. 12:4) so until God unseals this book during the tribulation (Rev. 5:1-9). The first seal is actually opened in Rev. 6:1.

I hope Christians everywhere can wake up to the fact that all that looks like a man may not be a son of Adam. Satan's devils are among us today and just as the offspring of devils and daughters of men produced a mighty and renowned people (Gen. 6:1-4) who were idolized by mortal man these today have a mystique and power that draws mankind to them by their "star power".

The anti-Christ will have this power over people and only faith in God will overcome his power.

The ten horns and the extra little horn that pops us will be kingdom states that will co-rule with the anti-Christ but they will be in power only at his discretion. Kinda like the old Soviet Union. On paper countries such as Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia had independent leaders but let them cross Russia and you saw they were mere puppets. That will be the rule with the 10 horns.

As we go through the book of Daniel in these next 5 chapters we will see more details but we may never fully understand what we see just as Daniel saw but could not understand it all.

[> [> Subject: The fourth Kingdom

Author:
Sandy
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Date Posted: 15:39:06 05/27/10 Thu

Hillbilly,

I wrote something about this the other day, but must not have posted it right, not checking.

But have a question about this fourth kingdom you are talking about.

Is it supposed to happen before the Millenium or 1000 year reign, or after this, when satan is once again loosed to decieve the nations written about after the 1000 according to Revealtions chapter 20? But before The battle of Gog and Magog?

Am asking because I see it as possibly happening after the 100 years when he is loosed to go out and deceive all the nations?

[> [> [> Subject: The 4th Kingdom

Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 16:02:54 05/27/10 Thu

Sandy,

I believe the 4th kingdom of Daniel 2 and 7 are just prior to the Millennial Kingdom of 1,000 years.

If you look at Daniel 2 you see the 4 kingdoms start with Nebuchadnezzar. It goes then to Media/Persia then to Greece and then the unnamed kingdom which most assume to be Rome. Looking at the time period for the 4th kingdom you see the stone cut out without hands hitting the feet of the image which is the 4th kingdom. This brings down all 4 kingdoms showing even Babylon (Iraq), Iran (Media/Persia) and Greece still exist up until the end along with the 4th kingdom.

The description of the 4th kingdom in Daniel 7 matches much of the description of the beast in Revelation 13 with the 7 heads and ten horns. To me the seven heads are additional detail not given in Daniel. This would be expected as Daniel was to be a closed book until the time of the end.

If I missed a post to me from you I apologize. Sometimes I miss them if they have scrolled down the page a few posts. I have to keep my monitor on 800 X 600 because of my poor eyesight. This causes fewer posts to be displayed and I sometimes just don't scroll down far enough to find a new post. If you ever post a question or comment and I don't answer it will be becuase I have missed it. Drop a note in a new thread where I can't miss it. I visit almost every day.

God bless and have a great Memorial Day weekend.

[> [> [> [> Subject: The 4th Kingdom

Author:
Sandy
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Date Posted: 11:32:23 05/29/10 Sat

Hi Hillbilly,

You didn't miss the point, because I failed to put it in there adequately. And meant to come back and add to it, but then got sidetracked on other things, oldzheimers kicking in then. :-)

I agree with you partly, that part of that may represent what is to happen before the 1000 years, that is true. But possibly not all of it. And my reason for saying this is what it does finally say will take place written mainly in verses 26-27. As that will not happen it seems, until the very of time after the battle of Gog and Magog takes place will it?

Meaning if that be true, then there possibly has to be some sort of a breaking point taking place within what Daniel did see there, between what takes place before the millenium, and what takes place when the devil is loosed for a time. of indeed part of it was before the millenium that is.

Hope I have explained better why I am asking what I am now. My just not being sure where that breaking point might be. that is if indeed there is one of course.

Blessings, Sandy

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: You are not alone in your

Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 19:59:58 05/29/10 Sat

belief in the possibility of Gog and Magog being after the Kingdom. The reason being Gog and Magog are listed in Rev. 20:8 as being those brought to the last battle.

One of the main reasons I have not seen it that way is the order of things in Ezekiel 37 through 39. In 37 you have the regathering of Israel. In 38 and 39 you have the battles including what I believe is Armageddon. In Ezekiel 39 beginning with verse 9 you have the burning of the weapons and the continual burial of the dead.

However it may pan out we can be sure that no matter how black and dark the storm gets God will still be in contol.

In Revelation 20:9 the fire from God devours them and there is nothing to bury. Immediately after the fire from God we are shown the judgment of God and then the New Heaven and New earth starting in Rev. 21

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Author:
Sandy
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Date Posted: 00:07:44 05/30/10 Sun

Yes. No matter which is right doesn't matter as long as we are right with the Lord.

In the beginning, I was obsessed with reading and studying everything I could about this subject. Until the Lord said STOP trying to figure all of this out. Which I did do. Thank goodness I did. As it does not matter who is right about what concerning this issue, as you say. What is important is our following after Christ daily, just trusting i HIM.

Blessings,
Sandy