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Subject: Genesis 22 vss 15-19 Post #118


Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 19:34:21 10/31/09 Sat

Genesis 22:15-19 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, 16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. 19 So Abraham returned unto his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba.

In order to understand God's faithfulness to the Jews and the nation of Israel this passage must be understood. Notice carefully this promise to Abraham. Everything that comes to his descendants comes because of this promise to Abraham. While the primary focus is on Jesus as the seed in the singular form notice "thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore;"

This promise because of the faith of Abraham cannot be annulled because of the sin of Israel. The promise was given unconditionally to Abraham The promise was to Abraham through Isaac and then Jacob and then to his sons which constituted Israel. This is testified to in Psalm 105:7-11 He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth. 8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. 9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; 10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: 11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

No matter who says that Israel is a trespasser on Palestinian lands God says I gave that land to Israel. The U.N. can decree whatever it wishes but God will bring the U.N. to "chaff of the summer threshingfloors; " (Dan. 2:35) for the wind to blow to the four points of the compass. It is a dangerous thing to try to oppose God and if you try to keep Israel from her rightful land you are opposing God and His covenant to Abraham. The United States with all it's military might cannot stop what God has decreed. If you were to combine the power of the U.S., Russia, China and all of the Nato alliance with them God would laugh at their calamity (Prov. 1:26) when His mighty power fell on them in a moment of time and devoured them. (Rev. 20:9)

After the death of Abraham God came to Isaac and reaffirmed to Isaac the covenant He had made with his father.. Genesis 26:3-5 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

If we go back up to our present passage under consideration we will see in verse 17 we have two distinct groups mentioned as proceeding from Abraham. The first group is as the stars of heaven and the second is as the sand on the sea shore. It is possible this represents the two sons of Abraham and their offspring. The stars of heaven would represent the seed of promise or if you will a "heavenly seed":. The other would represent the worldly and as such would represent the multitudes of people that sprang from Ishmael. Paul used this example in his letter to the Galatians. Galatians 4:27-31 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

While the illustration above is true it is not the only interpretation we might put to this verse. We can see in the stars those that walk by faith and not by sight. We have a heavenly goal and our heart is set on our heavenly home. Those who would be represented by the sand would be the earth bound that require something they can see before they will believe. The Jews for the most part fit into this category. They are God's chosen but they are worldly and carnal. When Jesus walked and preached in His ministry the Jews were always asking for some sign or miracle. Thomas would not believe unless he could feel the nail prints and see His side. Jesus reproached him for this and said unto Thomas: "Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." (John 20:29)

While the allegory can have several meanings applied to it I think the first would fit the situation the best historically.

If there is one thing we should learn from the passage above all others it is that God keeps His promises. Because of the promises to Abraham Israel will have and enjoy that which God gave them through Abraham.

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[> Subject: Thanks Hillbilly


Author:
Julie
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Date Posted: 08:37:46 11/04/09 Wed

This study is going to have me look
further today at other
"stars and sand " Bible passages .


Here are a few to reflect upon :
Stars

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Psalm 147 : 4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

Daniel chapter 12 vs. 3 - And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.



Sand

Judah and Israel were many,
as the sand which is by the sea in multitude,
eating and drinking, and making merry.
1 Kings 4:20


20 Declare this in the house of Jacob, and publish it in Judah, saying,
21 Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not;
which have ears, and hear not:

22 Fear ye not me? saith the Lord: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?


23 But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.

24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
Jeremiah 5:20-24



"
God keeps His promises. Because of the promises
to Abraham Israel will have and enjoy that
which God gave them through Abraham.
"

______________________________________

Amen !


Yes, He does. How thankful we can be.


Another great study in His Word , HB.

Thanks for sharing it here .


Love and blessings,


Julie
[> [> Subject: Thanks Julie


Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 16:20:23 11/04/09 Wed

I have often taught the Born Again are a heavenly people with a heavenly promise. (Stars)

The people of Israel, the Jews, are an earthly people with an earthly promise. (Sand)

We, who are of faith, are bound for New Jerusalem, the City of God which is situated at this time in the third heaven.

The Jews are to inherit the "Promised Land" within the boundaries as they were originally set forth by God.

While I also see the sand representing those who were descendants of Ishmael, in the broader sense I see it moreso representing all who walk by sight, as the Jews, and not by faith.

The stars represent those who walk by faith and can see the brightness of our Lord and not the detail. You see the light of the star but not the star itself. When we do get to our City of God we shall see the one who generates that light. Now we look through a glass darkly, but not for long.
[> [> [> Subject: That was beautifully written


Author:
Julie
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Date Posted: 19:33:36 11/04/09 Wed

And I am saving this to my word file...printing it out and tucking it into my Bible.


Thanks again , HB.


God bless you always,


Julie
[> [> Subject: Gosh, you guys!


Author:
dori
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Date Posted: 18:51:54 11/04/09 Wed

Just when I think I have all these studies down pat and get a little smug about it, you two bring even more depth to them. I am in such awe!
xoxo
[> [> [> Subject: There is always a new


Author:
Julie
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Date Posted: 20:49:43 11/04/09 Wed

treasure to be discovered in The Bible

And we are all in awe together , thanks
be to eternal mercies and compassion of
our gracious God .


Hillbilly has a great way of explaining things.

I like his style...always have always will.



With love and (( hugs )) to all ,


Julie
[> [> [> [> Subject: Something new


Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 04:55:01 11/05/09 Thu

I also am discovering something new all the time. God's Word is so complex and has so many things given in type that it's like a new discovery at every reading.

I am presently working on a thought I have had in the past but with a new twist. Just a new ligh on an old disocvery.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: We do hope you'll share it with us


Author:
dori
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Date Posted: 09:12:12 11/05/09 Thu

When you get it worked out. *-)
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes,


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 15:57:21 11/05/09 Thu

You can count on it.

To me it is an eye opener and disturbing. I am almost done with the Biblical references but I want to add some anecdotal secular references to.

I'm not fully decided but may do some art work and make another e-book from it.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think it would make a great e-book, HB


Author:
dori
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Date Posted: 22:20:11 11/11/09 Wed

I have enjoyed reading your Nuggets E-book over and over and have shared it with many people. It is truly special to me. 8-)
[> [> [> Subject: And you always find some good words to add


Author:
dori
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Date Posted: 23:20:26 11/04/09 Wed

You guys make a great team... grin
[> Subject: Hillbilly/Julie


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Connie
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Date Posted: 09:51:59 11/06/09 Fri

I feel so insignificant compared to you two and your study of the Word. No wonder I appreciate both of you so much. I have read those passages many times but the in-depth understanding wasn't there until you explained them. Thank you.
[> [> Subject: Thank you Connie


Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 19:03:27 11/06/09 Fri

for those kind words. The are greatly appreciated
God bless.

P.S. I also appreciate your thinking of me and sending me the various items and articles. The Power Point presentations and videos.

I don't usually pass them on as I am on a sloooooow dial-up but I enjoy them just the same.
[> [> [> Subject: Connie


Author:
Julie
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Date Posted: 17:19:16 11/07/09 Sat

I am thankful that we get to meet at this forum , all of us ---and learn more about our Saviour together.

This is still one of my favorite forums and I thank God for getting to know you here.


Know what a blessing you are .

For where two or three are gathered
together in my name, there am I
in the midst of them. - Matthew 18:20



With love,


Julie


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