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Re: Arminianism, Calvinism, or a compromise?

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David

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Date Posted: Sun, May 04 2003, 0:01:46
In reply to: Jeff Davis 's message, "Re: Arminianism, Calvinism, or a compromise?" on Sat, Jun 01 2002, 20:19:16

This is one of my favorite subjects. I am certainly not a Calvinist or an Arminiast but rather what I call a Weak Arminiast.

That is a wonderful passage in Romans you quoted and infact, it set's for us the structure of salvation and order
in which it happens.

Romans 8:29-30, the beef of the subject. Notice how the order works. Foreknew-->Predestined-->Conformed to Christs Image-->Called-->Justified-->Glorified

We know who we are talking about because of the last two elements, justified and glorified. Only the saved are justified because apart from Christ I don't have justification and so salvation. This passage is talking about the predestined saints.

I feel foreknowledge ALWAYS comes before predestination. Do a word study on the foreknowledge of God and you will see that God ONLY foreknows the saints. That is not to say he doesn't know who will reject him. This is just something applied to believers. What this shows is that God only states his foreknowledge of the saints and so the only ones predestined are the ones he foreknew. I do not insist this is what the truth is but I do believe it's closer. You can't read Romans 8:29-30 and yet reject all the passages that speak of persisting in the faith.

Robbie, a pastor I know doesn't call anyone non-believers but will only call them believers and pre-believers. This is because eventually everyone WILL believe. It will just be to late.

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Author: Will Mitchell [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Feb 25 2004, 11:14:19 It's just strange to find my name on the internet. I love Will Mitchell. Oh yeah and I'm a Calvinist too.