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Date Posted: 11:15:19 07/19/02 Fri
Author: Seril
Subject: Disturbing post of the day

Hey all, I found this very distrubing (well maybe not distrubing, but I don't like it). I really dont like advertising mostly because it seems to be everywhere and it is kind of annoying, adn this is not the direction advertising needs to take... Seeing stuff like this just makes me not want to buy anything from that peticular company. Well, that's it for my short semi-rant, enjoy this article.

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[> Yeah, that is disturbing...... -- Lijdrec, 11:35:43 07/19/02 Fri [1]

I recently bought a piece of land (.5 acres) to turn into my own gravesite. I wouldn't want to see that end up with a billboard on it.

Kinda neet, the graves already dug, it was an old underground access site for an AT&T long line. I'm collecting stones to face the blockhouse that is above ground. I have plans on turning it into an old-world sort of tumulous burial (the fore-runner of the crypt) long before my death (whenever that is!). Have twisted trees (redbud, dogwood, pine, cedar) growing out of the rocks of the tumulous and landscape the grounds.

Now if you want to advertise before my death!


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[> [> Wow -- Glory, 23:22:10 07/19/02 Fri [1]

OK, I'm relaxing at home after a long day at work and yes, I'm stoned, so please forgive my nonsequiturs tonight. I just reread this and what you were saying really struck me. You're working on your own grave? And you're making it kinda elaborate and cool? That RULES.


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[> [> [> Yep..... -- Lijdrec, 09:38:20 07/20/02 Sat [1]


The kicker is the stone. Don't want to spend too much. But I'd need some really big stones! For authenticity. So far all I have done is shelve my plans to plant apple trees on the plot. Apples aren't making any money, so I'm turning it into a grave! The parcel is actually right next to the driveway that goes up to my the family farmhouse. I have to go through all sorts of paperwork to get the land declared a graveyard by the county. But a distant cousin's husband is on the County Cemetery Commission!

I'm thinking I'll really get started this Fall by planting some of the larger trees I want to shade the tumulous/crypt. I'm half-German so there has to be some great big white oak trees on the property to carry on under. Maybe a big beech too for ultimate shade. Take years to get that way though.

Hey, is wierding anyone out? I think its rather exciting to be able to create something like this. Think about it some high school kids might find it so neat they'll end up loosing their virginities on my grave! That's influence for centuries to come!


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[> [> [> [> Not weirding me out, I think it's pretty cool. -- Glory, 12:19:19 07/20/02 Sat [1]

I'm a big believer in doing things your own way. Most people are too afraid or intimidated to put some thought in to how they want things done for themselves after their death, so I applaud you. And I think it's way cool to not only design your own crypt, but build it too.


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[> [> [> [> [> I just hope it takes me forever to build.......;-.) -- Lijdrec, 12:32:51 07/20/02 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Hey, just because you finish it doesn't mean you have to use it! :) -- Glory, 12:47:26 07/20/02 Sat [1]

Sound like a project that could be never-ending if you wanted it to be. You could just keep adding cool stuff onto it indefinitely.

Have you ever heard of Ferdinand Cheval? (Not too sure of the spelling of his last name) He's a Frenchman famous for building this huge sculpture called the Palais Ideale. He dreamed of this fantastic elaborate castle and spent half his life recreating it. He made this huge, beautiful castle full of elaborate decorations and intricate designs. At the center of it he made a crypt for himself and his wife. But the French government gave him a hard time about it, wouldn't let him use it as a grave site or something like that, so at the age of 60-65 (I think), he started making another one inside an official graveyard. A scaled-down version that was nonetheless another exact replica of what he saw in his dream. And he finished it too, unbelievable enough. So he left these two beautiful, elaborate structures behind, and he was finally able to be buried in the castle of his dreams.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Sounds familiar, and there have been others..... -- Lijdrec, 13:30:36 07/20/02 Sat [1]

Don't remember the name - I would have if his surname had been close to one of my French ones :) But I do believe I remember the situation.

I don't think of mine as taking on 'heroic' proportions. People around here are going to think I'm nuts anyway, well some already do!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I just found it! -- Glory, 13:36:13 07/20/02 Sat [1]

Pffft. Neighbors—who cares what they think! ;)

Since I started thinking of this this morning, it was really bugging me to find a picture of it. I finally found one.
I don't know how to do the link thingy, but here's the URL:

http://www.tourinfos.com/de/r0022/d0026/m0001/j0007/xterne/x005833.htm

It's a French site, but they have an option to click on English language. He was a postman before he took on that huge project. Somehow, that makes it even cooler to me, that he wasn't a professional artist or anything. Just built what he saw in his dreams.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You did.!.!.! And I should have recognized it.!.!.! Merci, Glorij! -- Lijdrec, 14:40:34 07/20/02 Sat [1]

I'm pretty sure I have the postcard of it that is on the English page! Don't ask, wierd hobby of collecting.

Thank God I don't have to think about masonery too much for mine. A tumulous is supposed to look rather jumbled. I do want to do a sort of a Stonehenge thing for the front however, two standing stones with a lintel stone crossing above them. With a tumulous it should be low however, so that one who enters must crouch, to show reverence to the dead. And perhaps one standing stone shorter than the other.

Now that's what has had me wondering about the design. An entrance to a tumulous is smaller than modern coffins! So I first figured that I would build a coffin in the crypt as it exists now, because you actually cannot get a coffin through the hatch in the floor of the block-house as it exists now. So build a coffin in the crypt. Bring my body to the tomb in another rented coffin and remove the body and take it into the crypt and lay it in my own coffin. Actually, I'd kinda like to be buried in a flexed position, fully bound in linen cloths anyway (No suit! If you're alive don't let them bury me in a suit!), yeah wierd.

But then I figured out that it would be easy enough to turn the tumulous entry up to 90 degrees from the present entry to the block-house. Actually, I'm not sure if tumulous have entrances that all generally point in one direction or not (time for a detailed Internet search!), perhaps coordinated with the sunrise at the equinox or solstice. It would make entering more interesting to have to turn after entering the tumulous, and scarier! Anyway turning the entrance allow the opportunity to create a false entrance through which my body could be more easily brought into the crypt. Then after my interment a contractor could seal up that entrance. Something like rolling the stone in front of the cave!

Sorry, haven't given much thought to this since before Christmas, Seril and you set me off, Glory! Thanx!


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[> Seril and Lij... -- Glory, 13:09:38 07/19/02 Fri [1]

Good gawd, that article was disturbing. I can't see a lot of graveyards going for that, though. At least I hope they won't. The death industry is pretty conservative.

It reminded me, though, of something that Philip K. Dick might have written. Have you guys ever read anything by him? He died about 20 years ago but he wrote a bunch of crazy and brilliant sci-fi novels in the late '60s and '70s. (The movies Blade Runner, Total Recall, and Minority Report were all based on novels and short stories he had written.)

Anyway, one of the themes that always ran through his books was the obnoxiousness of consumerism and commerce, and his books were always full of funny details on how advertising would work in the future. And how everything would cost money.

Anyway, if you haven't read anything he's done I highly recommend Ubik, Valis, or A Scanner Darkly. Fucking amazing books I could go on and on about, but I'll spare everyone that. ;)


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[> Re: Disturbing post of the day -- Shell, 14:03:43 07/19/02 Fri [1]

Creepy, but not all that suprising. I studied quite a bit of advertising in college, being a design student, and it always made me ill, how far people would go to publicize their product. Gotta give them props for creativity, even if they are assholes. At least they put some thought into the concept, not like most the crap we have to see every day.


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[> creative yes but sad to a disturbing point -- UHC, 15:19:41 07/19/02 Fri [1]

the sad part is there are prolly families out there who would actually do this. Now the thought of advertising anything on a grave is bad enough, but if you say had a guy who owned a family business and he put it on there it would almost be acceptable, if say the business was his whole life. But to put something on a grave that basically plays with the whole dead/undead gothic world really would be disgusting. first because I can't see someone older dying of natural causes having anything to do with this. And if they are younger and die from something less natural then it would just be too sad that they died so young in life. So really there is no decent way you could actually justify putting something this bad on someones grave.


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[> [> not justifying it at all... -- Shell, 17:40:10 07/19/02 Fri [1]

I'm just recognizing where it comes from. People can use their minds to come up with some really horrible stuff. In fact, it frightens me- a lot.

For some reason, I am thinking of September 11 right now. After the first 6 hours of catatonic shock in front of the TV, I turned to my roommate and said, "We could have thought of this." I know that sounds completely sick. But we had taken a class the semester before on experiential problem solving, and we had to solve all these large scale problems- weather, voting, etc. And the way we solved this stuff, well, if our professors had given us an assignment to destroy the twin towers, that is what we would have come up with. And there is somebody in the world whose mind works in the exact same way as mine, only they have a very fucked up set of religious beliefs, and THEY came up with it. but it could have come from my head, I am as capable as anybody of coming up with something that horrible. I don't even know where this is coming from- it has nothing to do with where I started and all its succeeding in doing is making me sob, so I am going to stop.


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[> yes, that is disturbing! -- Rachel, 15:52:12 07/19/02 Fri [1]

I can't see why people would go for that. I think it's really insensitive. if a member of my family died, i would not want their stone to be made all tacky by an advertisement.
Aside from the disturbing side, who would actually see it? people in the cemetery, grieving a lost one, i'd have thought would be least inclined to buy a game about death!


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[> [> I thought the same thing, Rachel! -- Glory, 17:59:28 07/19/02 Fri [1]

I didn't really make sense to me from a business standpoint. Graveyards are not exactly "high traffic areas." I have a hard time seeing how that would be considered a workable advertising strategy. Would they actually get enough business from the ads to make it worth doing them?

Unless, of course, it was something like the mausoleums in Forest Lawn Cemetery in LA. A bunch of movie stars are interrred there and tourists do go by to gawk at Clark Gable's headstone and whatnot. And have you ever seen what Doors fans have done to poor Jim Morrison's grave site in that cemetery in Paris?


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[> [> [> No, what did they do to poor Jim's grave? -- Rachel, 18:13:00 07/19/02 Fri [1]

those people are fans of famous people, not grieving families who would be offered money! ugh! i think it's wrong!

What did people do to the grave, then?


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[> [> [> [> It's just all fucked up. -- Glory, 18:26:39 07/19/02 Fri [1]

People are contantly painting stuff on it and carving stuff in it and chipping away pieces of the headstone to take home with them. People are morons.


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[> [> [> [> [> Kinda like how every once in a while someone steals James Deans headstone in Lowell, Indiana -- Lijdrec, 18:39:53 07/19/02 Fri [1]

Though I think they took some extraordinary measures this last time to anchor it to the ground...


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Yes, exactly. -- Glory, 18:42:40 07/19/02 Fri [1]

I'm pretty sure Jim Morrison's grave has had to be redone/replaced/cleaned up more than once. Who knows how many times. And people just keep continuing to do it. I just don't understand what gets into people sometimes.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> do those people have no respect? -- Rachel, 18:58:07 07/19/02 Fri [1]

Man, it's a screwed up world!


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[> [> [> [> [> Jim's grave... -- Lanna de la Rosa, 03:53:39 07/20/02 Sat [1]

They are all just a bunch of hippies. I have no real issue with it. Jim lived a controversial life. It's funny that he is also living a controversial death.



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[> [> [> [> [> [> I hate hippies! ;) -- Glory, 12:12:28 07/20/02 Sat [1]

Goddamn stinky, Birkenstock-wearin', patchouli-burnin', pot-luck-attending fucks!

:)

Thanks for posting the pic, Lanna!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Hippies are cool, man!! -- Lanna de la Rosa, contempo hippy extraordinaire, 15:03:11 07/21/02 Sun [1]

Besides signing epitaphs on his gravestones (and surrounding ones), they alse leave beer bottles and cans for him. That's love. ;)


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[> [> Well, it could make business... -- Lanna de la Rosa, can spot a corporate fucker a mile away, 03:48:44 07/20/02 Sat [1]

...off the news reports alone. IE, this article. People become shocked/intrigued/interested and buy the game just because of the media buzz. It doesn't have to be a long term media campaigne, or, in fact, be an actualized advertisment method to get a buzz going. The media is providing the advertisment without them actually going through with the marketing scheme, which makes for free ads and quick consumption by a variety of target audiences.

So, there you go.


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[> [> [> Kinda like the whole "Boycott your own movie so people will come to it" scheme -- UHC, 04:07:11 07/21/02 Sun [1]


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