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Date Posted: 08:57:41 06/24/05 Fri
Author: Mary, quite contrary
Subject: you're not alone in wondering all this, Eppy--
In reply to: Eppy 's message, "Ok...Another Question Then...." on 13:18:21 06/21/05 Tue

It seems to me nobody was "clean". Having just recently read only sections (I didn't have time for the entire book) of the memoirs of a German soldier who emigrated to America after WWII, I was heartsick to hear the perspective of a man who was Godly, loved his mother, kept himself clean, who had a hard time with the fact that there could be no memorials to German dead, because the Germans were "all bad". He came to America and married a German American. Had a family. Tried to forget the drinking, smoking, swaggering, woman-chasing, swearing American soldiers he remembered as the hero/conquerors. It was a startling book, written by a "little man"; someone who worked in a store here in America and was glad to be here, because Germany had been destroyed. He had no desire to defend Hitler; he knew he was a madman; many of us know we have madmen for leaders; will our lives be destroyed if they take the upper hand, and we "lose"? This man's mother died a week before he got home, and all he could do was kneel by her grave, tell her he had kept himself clean and had "honor", something he felt that (a majority of) the conquerors didn't know the meaning of, because they hadn't allowed those who were vanquished to have any of it.
It was an alarming, gentle, apologetic book. There was nothing anti-semitic in it; there was nothing about Aryans being wonderful; there was just sadness for the fact that a crazy man took an economically vulnerable, OBEDIENT nation and destroyed it, including their memories fo the best they had been.
I am convinced, after thinking of this, that our personal lives matter more than anything we do as a nation; that must be obvious, of course. I simply can't feel that national fervor I felt even 20 years ago.
I am convinced, also, that there was a group of intellectual "elite" here in America who conspired with Zionists in Russia and other parts of Europe (Jewish and non-Jewish, many people who wanted to manipulate economies) to allow/create/sustain/support the Bolsheviks; Russia was a horrible experiment, claim these theorists. I am inclined to believe it. That being the case, who was responsible for the Russian atrocities, besides the nasty Russian leaders themselves? Elite from many nations. A book I recently picked up at Barnes and Noble which has NO claim to connection with any conspiracists outlines the eugenics experiments formulated in New York (Cornell; I don't have the book anymore) in the early part of the 1900s. How it infiltrated our culture, invaded the backroads of our nation (sterilizing drugs given to native Americans and former slaves and retarded people) and destroyed individuals whose stories are just now coming out is astounding. They claim no connection to illuminati or any other group that mainstream political theorists could scoff at.
Truth will out, and it can be challenging to find it, wherever it is.

I think it's good we are questioning the policies and politics of our nations.

No answers here, but I like this discussion.

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