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Date Posted: 11:02:04 11/12/02 Tue
Author: Which Witch, listmom
Subject: Re: Things that annoy me about BetterBuffyFics
In reply to: bbf member 's message, "Things that annoy me about BetterBuffyFics" on 01:16:32 11/12/02 Tue

Weeeelll...
I more or less agree with you on (1) and (2), although i can't say i was *that* annoyed with the first one.
As for the (3) and (4):

>3) This board. Since its (well meant I'm sure)
>creation this board has been promoted to us by a
>tad too annoying moderator, but it has no definite
>function. Is it for discussion and OT chatter
>which are now to be taken off the mailing list? Yes
>and no. They can still be posted on the
>mailing list. However the TTA moderator will point you
>to the board and "suggest" you take it
>over there, never mind that if you wanted to
>participate on a BBF message board you wouldn't
>have subscribed to the list. Or perhaps that's just me.

The board was created because we (i.e. me and the mods) felt that some of on-going discussions on the list tend to drown the recs sometimes. Plus, we thought that it would allow people to be free with each other, and contribute to the community-side of things.
In reality, the board is not doing so well, and I’m not sure whether it’s because people members has no use to a community, they’re just here for the recs, period, or because, like you, they are annoyed with the whole concept and would like everything to stay on-list. Anyone would like to give me some help here?

>4) Discussion of fics. Except for the recs discussion
>is so scarce that one might say it's non-
>existent. Presumably, this is due to the fact that the
>authors of the fics are subscribed to the
>group and their tender hearts may be shattered into
>million pieces by hearing something
>negative about their work. At best what one can say is
>"I don't like it, it's not for me". And
>heaven forbid you do say something harsher, then
>you'll become just like the meanies on TWoP.


I do agree with you that there should be more discussions about quality of fics on the list. As a matter of fact, it was one of the things wanted for BBF when I started it – for it to be a place where you can feel free to criticize fics without being labeled “flamer” or one of those “meanies”.

I don’t agree that the reason this is not happening is because of the fact that some of the authors are on the list. Does anyone else feel like “bbf member” about this?

I'd really love to know what everyone else feels about the points made by “bbf member”, and other issues. Let us know about things that bother you. You can go incognito if you want…

WW

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[> Re: Things that annoy me about BetterBuffyFics -- lanie, 17:32:21 11/14/02 Thu

I've offered criticism on fics onlist before. Knowing the authors were listmembers. I never felt I did it cruelly and pointed out parts of the work I liked. If I didn't like something about the story to begin with, chances are I wouldn't bother thinking about the parts I didn't like. But seriously, if you have something to say about something that was rec'ed, you know speak up. I don't think anyone will really fault you for that providing you can do it respectfully. TWOP badfic thread *was* funny but then again it's not what this list in particular is about, so of course one would hope to avoid that direction, but I don't think anyone should feel as if they can't offer up their thoughts. I've had people disagree with stuff I've rec'ed before. Didn't stop me from liking the story or pointing out what I thought were the finer points of the work.

I do wish there was more discussion. And more Willow/Spike rec'ed okay so I let my personal prefs get wedged in there. *g*

As for this boards purpose? I see it entirely as OT. Personally I don't think we should have to move fic discussions over here at all. If its fic and BtVS/ATS, then it should be allowed to stay onlist. If it gets out of hand, let the mods work their mojo and kill it. I joined the list for the fic quota, and visit this board very rarely indeed.

lanie

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