Hopefully, the ball won't stop with Cunt-oleeza -- <font size = "4">The Drunks Bar </font size "4">

[ Show ]

Support VoyForums

[ Shrink ]

VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Main index ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, [5], 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 12:15:07 07/29/03 Tue
Author: J. Croft
Subject: Hopefully, the ball won't stop with Cunt-oleeza
In reply to: SM78 's message, "Yep" on 10:39:59 07/29/03 Tue

Check out this site SM: www.copvcia.com

Micheal Ruppert's been posting articles about this very scenario, although he will probably be too "conspiratorial" for your tastes. He also talks about 9/11, the rigged California Energy Crisis you had to live through, and the coming for-real Peak Oil energy shortage we ALL will have to live with.

There's also this article:

America Is Now A Religion
US leaders now see themselves as priests of
a divine mission to rid the world of its demons...
By George Monbiot
The Guardian - UK
7-28-3

"The death of Uday and Qusay," the commander of the ground forces in Iraq told
reporters on Wednesday, "is definitely going to be a turning point for the
resistance." Well, it was a turning point, but unfortunately not of the kind he
envisaged. On the day he made his announcement, Iraqi insurgents killed one US
soldier and wounded six others. On the following day, they killed another three;
over the weekend they assassinated five and injured seven. Yesterday they
slaughtered one more and wounded three. This has been the worst week for US
soldiers in Iraq since George Bush declared that the war there was over.

Few people believe that the resistance in that country is being coordinated by
Saddam Hussein and his noxious family, or that it will come to an end when those
people are killed. But the few appear to include the military and civilian command
of the United States armed forces. For the hundredth time since the US invaded
Iraq, the predictions made by those with access to intelligence have proved less
reliable than the predictions made by those without. And, for the hundredth time,
the inaccuracy of the official forecasts has been blamed on "intelligence failures".

The explanation is wearing a little thin. Are we really expected to believe that the
members of the US security services are the only people who cannot see that
many Iraqis wish to rid themselves of the US army as fervently as they wished to
rid themselves of Saddam Hussein? What is lacking in the Pentagon and the White
House is not intelligence (or not, at any rate, of the kind we are considering here),
but receptivity. Theirs is not a failure of information, but a failure of ideology.

To understand why this failure persists, we must first grasp a reality which has
seldom been discussed in print. The United States is no longer just a nation. It is
now a religion. Its soldiers have entered Iraq to liberate its people not only from
their dictator, their oil and their sovereignty, but also from their darkness. As
George Bush told his troops on the day he announced victory: "Wherever you go,
you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and ever new. In the
words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, "come out," and to those in
darkness, "be free".'"

So American soldiers are no longer merely terrestrial combatants; they have
become missionaries. They are no longer simply killing enemies; they are casting
out demons. The people who reconstructed the faces of Uday and Qusay Hussein
carelessly forgot to restore the pair of little horns on each brow, but the
understanding that these were opponents from a different realm was transmitted
nonetheless. Like all those who send missionaries abroad, the high priests of
America cannot conceive that the infidels might resist through their own free will;
if they refuse to convert, it is the work of the devil, in his current guise as the
former dictator of Iraq.

As Clifford Longley shows in his fascinating book Chosen People, published last
year, the founding fathers of the USA, though they sometimes professed
otherwise, sensed that they were guided by a divine purpose. Thomas Jefferson
argued that the Great Seal of the United States should depict the Israelites, "led by
a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night". George Washington claimed, in his
inaugural address, that every step towards independence was "distinguished by
some token of providential agency". Longley argues that the formation of the
American identity was part of a process of "supersession". The Roman Catholic
church claimed that it had supplanted the Jews as the elect, as the Jews had been
repudiated by God. The English Protestants accused the Catholics of breaking
faith, and claimed that they had become the beloved of God. The American
revolutionaries believed that the English, in turn, had broken their covenant: the
Americans had now become the chosen people, with a divine duty to deliver the
world to God's dominion. Six weeks ago, as if to show that this belief persists,
George Bush recalled a remark of Woodrow Wilson's. "America," he quoted, "has
a spiritual energy in her which no other nation can contribute to the liberation of
mankind."

Gradually this notion of election has been conflated with another, still more
dangerous idea. It is not just that the Americans are God's chosen people; America
itself is now perceived as a divine project. In his farewell presidential address,
Ronald Reagan spoke of his country as a "shining city on a hill", a reference to the
Sermon on the Mount. But what Jesus was describing was not a temporal
Jerusalem, but the kingdom of heaven. Not only, in Reagan's account, was God's
kingdom to be found in the United States of America, but the kingdom of hell
could also now be located on earth: the "evil empire" of the Soviet Union, against
which His holy warriors were pitched.

Since the attacks on New York, this notion of America the divine has been
extended and refined. In December 2001, Rudy Giuliani, the mayor of that city,
delivered his last mayoral speech in St Paul's Chapel, close to the site of the
shattered twin towers. "All that matters," he claimed, "is that you embrace
America and understand its ideals and what it's all about. Abraham Lincoln used to
say that the test of your Americanism was ... how much you believed in America.
Because we're like a religion really. A secular religion." The chapel in which he
spoke had been consecrated not just by God, but by the fact that George
Washington had once prayed there. It was, he said, now "sacred ground to people
who feel what America is all about". The United States of America no longer
needs to call upon God; it is God, and those who go abroad to spread the light do
so in the name of a celestial domain. The flag has become as sacred as the Bible;
the name of the nation as holy as the name of God. The presidency is turning into
a priesthood.

So those who question George Bush's foreign policy are no longer merely critics;
they are blasphemers, or "anti-Americans". Those foreign states which seek to
change this policy are wasting their time: you can negotiate with politicians; you
cannot negotiate with priests. The US has a divine mission, as Bush suggested in
January: "to defend ... the hopes of all mankind", and woe betide those who hope
for something other than the American way of life.

The dangers of national divinity scarcely require explanation. Japan went to war in
the 1930s convinced, like George Bush, that it possessed a heaven-sent mission to
"liberate" Asia and extend the realm of its divine imperium. It would, the fascist
theoretician Kita Ikki predicted: "light the darkness of the entire world". Those
who seek to drag heaven down to earth are destined only to engineer a hell.

- George Monbiot's books Poisoned Arrows and No Man's Land are republished
this week by Green Books.

www.monbiot.com

Guardian Unlimited � Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1007741,00.html

AAAAAND...this one:

America, The Fourth Reich
By Ian Gurney
info@caspro.com
7-29-3

"Dictatorships start wars because they need external enemies to exert internal
control over their own people." --Richard Perle

Americans are the new Nazis.

There, that's earned me a lot of enemies very quickly, hasn't it?

"How dare you," comes the riposte from the neo-cons in the administration and
the right wing think tanks like JINSA and the PNAC, as well as the "Fox news
compliant" brigade whose heads are still stuck up their backsides enjoying the
televised view. "America is a democracy, a free country run by a democratically
elected government. It is the land of the free, the home of the brave and the
protector of the free world," I hear them chorus.

To that I say: BULLSHIT.

To say America is a democracy these days is just stretching things too far.
Consider:- Bush was not elected by the majority of people in the USA. Admittedly
the turnout was low (you do, after all, get the government you deserve if you don't
excercise your franchise) but George W didn't get a mandate. To do that more
than fifty percent of the voters have to vote for you, and that didn't happen. In
fact Georgie boy lost. However, good old George made sure that, mandate or not,
win or not, with a little help from friends and family in Florida he could win it by
cheating. Let's not mince words, George W Bush STOLE the presidency of the
United States. He is not the democratically elected leader of America. It also
appears that some unelected officials in the Bush administration may have
acquired more power than the president himself. Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Bolton,
Abrams, Rumsfeld all share the same right wing neo-conservative views held by
organisations such as the Project for a New American Century, the Zionizt
Organisation of America and the the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.
As members of these organisations, it could be said that this unelected cabal of
neo-cons in the White House and the Pentagon have interests other than America
at heart. This is not only undemocratic, it is treason.

So, we now see that America is governed by a president who was not
democratically elected, supported by an unelected cabal of people with very
extreme and in some cases, very un-American views. This cannot, therefore,
classify America as a democratic country. A country that is governed by a non
elected power is, as we have seen and heard these last few months concerning
Iraq, Iran and North Korea, classed as a "dictatorship". Dictatorships are fascist by
nature. Fascism is described as "right wing dictatorship". Just put the word fascism
into your computer, highlight it and hit "Tools" followed by "Thesaurus." See what
I mean?

Now let's take a quick look at Germany in the 1930's and 40's as the Nazis reared
their ugly heads. Here was a country that was finacially crippled with a massive
budget deficit owing billions of dollars to the rest of the world. Just like the USA.

In the 1930's Germany was a country where the burning of the Reichstag,
engineered by Hitler and his henchmen, was used to create external enemies and
to exert internal control over the German people. Hitler then used the media to lie,
frighten and decieve the population, allowing a bunch of vicious, extreme, right
wing megalomaniacs to gain power. Just like the USA.

In the 1930's Hitler was surrounded by a group of unelected officials whose sole
objective was to take control of Germany for their own ends and with the use of
their military might, take control of the assets and prosperity of other, weaker
countries. Just like the USA.

In 1939 Hitler embarked on a series of pre-emptive attacks on sovereign nations in
the name of "freeing the people" of that country. Just like the USA.

In 1940 the German hierarchy started building special "camps" or detention
centres in which to incarcerate and eventually execute those people considered to
be "against" their regime. Just like the USA.

As Germany invaded the countries surrounding them during World War II, they
found that far from having conquered the country and "liberated" the people, the
people of that country formed nationalist "resistance" groups and used guerilla
warfare to kill, harrass and slowly demoralise the occupying army. Just like the
USA.

"History is little more than the register of crimes, follies, and misfortunes of
mankind" wrote Edward Gibbon, the British historian in The Decline and Fall of
the Roman Empire. History should teach us a great many things, but unfortunately
the majority of Americans know very little about history, or for that matter, the
rest of the world. Don't believe me? Ask an American where Admiral Lord
Nelson, one of the worlds greatest naval commanders, died or what nationality
Alexander the Great was? Better still, ask an American to point to pretty much any
foreign country on a map. Try North Korea.

If you know nothing of history, you cannot learn the lessons history teaches. You
continue to make the same mistakes. Hitler's mistake was to wage war on too
many fronts at once and underestimate the ferocity of the guerilla wars being
fought against him by resistance groups all over Europe. Eventually it was Russia,
or to be more precise, the Russian winter and Hitler's hubris, that proved to much
for the disillusioned German troops, sick and tired of fighting and dying for a
regime that they belatedly realised was illegitimate.

Hitler, in the last desperate act of a cowardly tyrant, committed suicide. Germany,
defeated and destroyed, had lost everything. Those who had been instrumental in
Germany's war and propoganda machine where tried and executed. Eventually
Germany once agaain became a democracy, but it had taken the deaths of many
millions of people to restore that democracy.

Despite Germany's huge arsenal of weapons, it had lost the war because those
running Germany were not the democratic leaders of a democratic country, but
were fascist, right wing neo-conservatives, Nazis, who propogated an illegal war
through lies and deception and stirred up the anger of all decent thinking people on
the planet with their evil deeds.

Just like America.

� Copyright: Ian Gurney July 2003.

Ian Gurney is the author of the bestseller "The Cassandra Prophecy" published by
International Global Press. ISBN: 0953581314.
(www.caspro.com) He welcomes your comments at
info@caspro.com

I SO FUCKING HATE how a pack of murderous hypocrites have taken America's good name(what there WAS of it, it was mostly image and the People's belief that that image was fact)and turned it into a "sign by which to conquer for God". Voting them seems out; their corporations own the electronic voting machines and they also own the Supreme Court. ...Even Republican gun owners are making worrying posts on the internet about these crisco annoiting bastards!

Say, if Brother E.J. Looper were put through foxbot camp, you think he'd be as big an asshole as Rev. Mike? He's got the gun collection and he's always buying those tawdry LaHaye Tribblation books... although he doesn't really read them, he just puts them on his shelf like Harry Potter books.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

I'm betting Faux... -- Jay Hovah, 13:48:40 07/29/03 Tue