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Date Posted: 14:14:00 05/28/05 Sat
Author: all
Subject: responses
In reply to: judi 's message, "Do you feel cheated?. . .Inside" on 14:05:22 05/28/05 Sat

Judi, I agree. The only Vuk scene in the finale that had any redeaming value was Mac telling him she wouldn't take him to San Diego. Other than that, I think they should have kept the whole thing focused on the DD. The story of the kid and his Mom was overdone. No need for it. I know it was supposed to mirror Harm all those years ago, but what long time fan didn't know Harm's story? And it's not like they were going to pick up new audience at that point. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^<, 12:24:39 05/19/05 Thu

Gosh, I didn't watch it close enough to care about the significance of the story. All I knew was it took special time away from H&M. And like you said, what was the point? The show wasn't going on anyway. (NT) -- judi, 12:51:55 05/19/05 Thu

Yeah, I feel cheated, in that we had to watch Lt. Whatshisname.... loved the ending, but would've loved for the whole episode to have been about Harm and Mac. (NT) -- HiG, 12:27:00 05/19/05 Thu

I really did feel cheated. I was so happy about the fact that Harm and Mac were together in the end that I floated around in this shipper bubble for awahile, but then when I thought of losing the show and the time really wasted on story lines that made most of us ill...Yeah, I felt cheated.(Though I will say CB and DJE made that last 7.5 mins. so intense that it made up for alot Bravo!)I think 'They' did that for us. (NT) -- mkim They had more than enough time to make this better for the fans...they just didnt., 12:32:21 05/19/05 Thu

i feel cheated too on the episode, cause it was wrapped up between harm and mac way too fast, i was hoping it would take the whole hour to fix up harm and mac together, and there would be struggles in between them, where they would have to make huge decisions, they wasted too much time on the puke and other people when we were supposed to get harm and mac through the entire episode, and their relationship, and whether or not their were in love and wanted to be together, so i think it should have been a two hour special, i mean i was actually going to set my vcr to tape for two hours, cause i was actually hoping for it to be way much longer, we were totally gipped and when harm and mac got together, they gave us a real small short version and well i wanted to see a wedding, at least and them taking off on their honeymoon, with them waving off to their friends leaving to start their new assignments (but of course only one of them would be working though), when i saw the articles and premieres of the finale, i thought the whole episode would be of harm and mac spending time together and well things lead up to marriage and the proposal and then the wedding, you know with the whole episode being totally about them and if they can leave each other, or do they want to be together so we were totally gipped, that is totally messed up, we need more, hopefully we'll get a JAG movie, but we should get a harm and mac version, where we get to see a wedding, and all that between them.(NT)-- Melissa, 12:36:47 05/19/05 Thu

But Hope, don't you get the feeling that TPTB said it doesn't matter. I can ignore their whole relationship and just give them a few minutes and the shippers will be happy. They wasted a whole season IMO. (NT) -- judi, 12:49:00 05/19/05 Thu

They could have. I�m not sure anymore what they were thinking since none of it makes any sense. They did waste the last year. Even if they didn�t put H/M in a romantic relationship could have at least had them working together more and rebuilding their friendship. (NT) -- Hope, 14:11:45 05/19/05 Thu

I do feel a little cheated. But think they planned for Mac to be single in S11 if there was one so why build up H/M if that was the case. Then when found out not renewed and didn�t have time to rewrite the whole episode. Even though it should have been about Harm and H/M since it was DJE�s last episode, but they were to still trying to get a S11 at that time. But those 7.5 mins just about make up for it. (NT) -- Hope, 12:37:25 05/19/05 Thu

They could have gotten together and then had a big break up to keep Mac single in S 11. We should have had more input!!! Why didn't that man ever come here for ideas? (NT) -- Brigitta, 19:58:17 05/19/05 Thu

I feel slightly cheated. But I'm taking the Harm and Mac approach on this. Or, what imagine their approach would be. They wasted so much time loving each other and doing nothing about it, but I can't imagine Harm or Mac waking up next to each other every morning and dwelling on the regrets they have over how much time was wasted on things that don't matter. They're happy just to be together, so I'm happy for them. So yes, while I regret that TPTB wasted so much time on a story line that didn't matter to anyone anywhere for any reason, I'm okay, because they are together now. (NT) -- Theresa, 13:31:39 05/19/05 Thu

I think that there was much more TPTB could have done to make the last episode more of a salute to JAG. But I also believe that DPB's interest in JAG was gone, other than as a source of money. It's obvious he was bored with it when he stepped completely away from it to work NCIS. Do I feel cheated? Yes. But it doesn't matter at all. It's just kind of sad that watching the requiem show for the series has people feeling, "Well, it could have been worse." (NT) -- NanaSue...still feeling bad that CBS didn't ask for a 2-hr finale, 13:44:24 05/19/05 Thu

You are SO right that DPB was bored with JAG and 'moved on' to NCIS 2 years ago, but then TPTB had the gall to complain to any and all who would listen about DJE being bored - talk about hypocrisy! (NT) -- Sunny, don't get me started on wasted opportunities and plain stupidity ~~, 14:54:29 05/19/05 Thu

Where on earth di you get that from? I've never seen any interviews of TPTB that said that. I've read the occasional fan comment along those lines, but I didn't agree with the comment. (NT) -- Ann, 18:32:48 05/19/05 Thu

Kip did say two seasons ago DJE-PL-CB and JMJ looks bored and only does it all for money. (NT) -- T2, 20:11:01 05/19/05 Thu

Well, Kip said lots of things, some of which turned out not to be true. I think that Kip had issues, if you will, with some of the cast during season 8. He certainly had issues with fans. (NT) -- Ann, 20:28:55 05/19/05 Thu

I totally agree. Harm promoted to Captain and we not only didn't get to see it we only got the last scene to see him wearing his Captains bars. (NT) -- Nutsyfagan, 13:49:33 05/19/05 Thu

I feel so betrayed because TPTB was more concerned about redeeming Vuck in our eyes than to be in the company of Harm and Mac. But as mkim said the little we got on Harm and Mac HAE and MAE gave their everything as a gift to their loyal fanbase. They outshined and upstaged everyone and everything else.It was unforgettable,moving and one of the hooooottest thing Ive seen on TV for awhile thats tasteful. ITA with what TR said. (NT) -- Reese, 13:55:10 05/19/05 Thu

I couldn't agree more. I feel very cheated. Ten years and we get 7 1/2 minutes. Why was Vik on the show at all? He's been on the show a couple of months, and gets more time on the series finale than Harm and Mac. (NT) -- HollyH, 14:08:19 05/19/05 Thu

Okay, I have to disagree with the 7.5 minutes. We had about 20 minutes of good episode. The scene with Harm and Mac in her office, when he says there are decisions to be made. The scenes between them and Bud and Harriet respectively, the flashbacks of them thinking about each other at the same time. Even the scene where Mac rips Vic-head a new one. Those all needed to be in there. Judi is right, we needed to see the frocking, and more flashbacks and more HMS, but it wasn't just the last 7.5 minutes that was good quality. (NT) -- Theresa, 14:11:42 05/19/05 Thu

Actually I've been feeling cheated (Harm deprived) all year long. Now we know why of course. I remember watching FW&FS when they played the flashbacks and thinking that it was the last chance for *NEW* Harm and I'd rather have seen that than the flashbacks. (NT) -- sj...I liked the flashbacks, but it was the last new hour with my Harm and I wanted it ALL!, 14:32:46 05/19/05 Thu

The only reason I don't feel cheated is that I expected NOTHING. I am still amazed I got 7.5 minutes. LOL. I don't believe for a single minute that DPB believed he would get cancelled. He believed his BRILLIANCE could change the shows destiny. He probably insisted CBS be patient to prove how his changes would help. HA! He wrote several neutral scenes in previous eps in preparation to blow Harm and Mac apart - made no effort to show them moving closer because he believed he wouldn't have to. I'm over - onto next thread (NT) -- Chris K - I am VERY happy with my 7 1/2 minutes. Especially today that EVERYTHING else is going wrong., 14:39:43 05/19/05 Thu

Continued - As for filming more - I don't think CBS gave him enough warning. If they'd given him an extra week he could have filmed other stuff instead of Vuk. but I think he only knew the last few days of filming and barely had enough time to ALTER already written scenes verses redo everything. (NT) -- Chris K - whose ulcer is calming down just thinking about those lovely 7.5 minutes, 14:41:27 05/19/05 Thu

Heck yeah, I feel cheated. I got thrown a bone. A very nice bone, but a bone nonetheless. What we got to lead up to the finale was a farce. That said, it was a little goofy how they ended it (could we have seen Harm ask Mac out on 1 date before the proposal?) but I loved most of it, but only because I was so pathetic I was grateful for whatever I could get. DPB took a powder for 2 seasons & tried to make up for it in 7.5 minutes. Did anybody care a toot about what Vic was doing when we knew Harm was leaving? (NT) -- Angela S, 15:58:41 05/19/05 Thu

I think we all could have used a little more Harm-bone in that ep Angela. LOL Maybe if we are real good and cross our fingers just right we may someday get a made for t.v movie that ties up the ending with a wedding and little Rabb-letts. (NT) -- Trish....with tongue planted firmly in cheek., 16:39:17 05/19/05 Thu

I feel SO cheated and have since about two days after the finale. Even the scene between H/M in his apartment was somewhat truncated (my big word for the day) to me. Some lines were vague (which was purposeful, as usual) the last kiss was cut way too soon, etc. but most of all, we didn't get to see the full potential of the H./M relationship fulfilled emotionally--it was short and sweet, cut to the chase. After 9 years of "suffering" through their relationship I think we deserved a major storyline (maybe starting slowly a few episodes before the last one) with a well-developed ending, not just--oh, I guess I'd better throw these lines in to make the big boss happy. All that said, I'm so thankful we at least got what we did. I would probably need counseling otherwise!!(NT)-- JO (who always gets in on these discussions late but have to put in my 2 cents sometimes!), 17:52:15 05/19/05 Thu

ITA, too much B and not enuf A... even with the time "constraints" of the cx news, they could have done so much more to flesh out this ten-year family story -- and that's what it was really. Instead, it was just so rushed -- glorious, but I wanted more! (NT) -- Mainer, 18:05:17 05/19/05 Thu

I did feel a bit cheated, but am very thankful for what we got since I knew how bad things could have been!!! :):) And, HAE's and MAE's wonderful acting made up the short time :):)!! I do wonder if DB would take the B story off, if he had more time. I do not know..... Somehow, I felt like it was the ultimate revenge of sort ;)!! LOLOL Anyway, at least we got to see Mac kick Vic's @%#@%# ;)!! Hee heee... (NT) -- Acer, 19:13:29 05/19/05 Thu

Yes, I feel very much so. It should have been a whole hr. devoted to H/M or a 2hr. if they wanted to include Vucky. This guy, he didn't add anything to the show, only distracted from it by taking up such precious time from H/M. What a waste! I think DPB left it open to come back hopefully in the near future w/ a 2 hour movie to tie up loose ends & of couse to see Harm & Mac's wedding. I hope! (NT) -- Jagcharmed2, 19:46:40 05/19/05 Thu

If there's a Jag movie it has to happen soon especially to continue the wedding and little Rabbletts. Not to sound cruel but years from now it looks weird to see an old Harm and Mac getting ready to marry and a preggie Mac. Im mad at TPTB but still very much grateful for our ending.I still cant believe DB brought them together, proposal, marriage, giving up careers and all. (NT) -- T2, 20:14:12 05/19/05 Thu

Harm is supposed to be 40 and Mac he mid to late 30's, good grief that isnt old. LOL Many people are putting off parenthood until they are in their 40's. (NT) -- Trish....I cant help but feel a little insulted. LOL, 21:26:50 05/19/05 Thu

If the movie is slated 2 to 5 years its ok but imagine if we waited 10 years from now-hae and mae are not getting younger thats my point especially if they're continuing from the wedding arc unless the movie has a diff.theme. (NT) -- T2, 21:55:15 05/19/05 Thu

I go both ways on this. On the one hand, I am just so grateful we got at least what we got. I NEVER thought I would hear Harm baby utter the 'M" word to Mac - never. I just didn't think TPTB would throw us that bone. On the other hand, I just think about what COULD have been - and that's very sad. The whole B storyline was beyond a waste - totally wrong for the episode - or for that matter, ANY episode. But my 13yr old tells me to get over myself and be grateful for what we got. So I'm trying. But it is hard! I would have LOVED to have seen more interaction, more planning between H and M. (NT) -- Serena - who still can't get over the happy ending, 20:12:18 05/19/05 Thu

I do. The Vic storyline was a waste of space. And there was no build up at all, making Harm's proposal a bit of a shock, when for all we know, Harm and Mac have barely been speaking. Thank goodness for fanfic. Plans are in motion to rectify the situation; I'm writing a "Revisionist History" to do what TPTB didn't; give a different view of season ten with a build-up to Fair Winds and Following Seas so that the proposal isn't a shock and we know what happens afterward. (NT) -- LauraBF - who hated the fact that season ten was so completely Harm lite, 09:49:45 05/20/05 Fri

i agree. Im thrilled with the way the show ended overall, but I didnt understand why the Vic scenes were there. The series finale was meant to be extra special, so there was no reason to spend more than half of it on a new character and a plot that doesnt further the storyline or the lives of any of the characters (NT) -- Suze, 12:02:08 05/20/05 Fri

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