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Date Posted: 07:00:03 01/12/10 Tue
Author: Norman Epstein
Subject: Re: mastiff vs herder hmmmm
In reply to: JWV 's message, "mastiff vs herder hmmmm" on 15:18:30 01/11/10 Mon

That dog was trained K-9 and part of a team and as such when commanded the dog was *trained*to bite and hold a perpetrator no matter the duress it was in and not release its grip until the rest of its team arrived to arrest the perpetrator. It seems the rest of the dogs team lost communication with it because of nose the helicopters made flying low overhead. Because the dog was doing what it was trained to do i.e., not to let go, the other perpetrator was able to get behind him and choke the dog because the dog continued performing its duty. The "bite and hold" is trained world wide method of K-9 apprehension for reasons to lengthy to go into now. If a mastiff could also be trained to bite and not to let go I would assume that it could also be choked to death because a dog that weighed 140 pounds has the same difficulty living without oxygen as one that weighed 80 or 90 pounds. This incident had little to do with which type is better but had everything to do with one dog that didn't go away when the shit hit the fan. It may be of note that of the many thousands of military and police K-9's world wide, I don't know of any working K-9 mastiff, if there are some, there are damn few. There must be a reason. That is not to say that the *correctly bred* mastiff won't protect, it most certainly will but the utility of that herder, just because of that incident should not negate the hundreds of thousands of times they were the main reason for those apprehensions and finds. Moreover IMO which type is best should not the issue at hand, but that dogs courage, breeding and training should be.

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