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Date Posted: 04:55:03 09/07/02 Sat
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In reply to:
Warspite.
's message, "Re: Revised Dominion vs Empire" on 15:00:27 09/06/02 Fri
>Firstly the attack never actually took place, so we
>cannot 'see' for sure what the results would have been.
>
>Secondly, this does not give us a definitive time. Yes
>it does let us have a 'time frame' (we know it can't
>be more than a day or so), but no definitive times.
>
>Thirdly, I have a problem with the whole idea of three
>SD being able to destroy an entire planet's surface,
>without someone being able to lift off and escape. In
>TESB, we saw that a SSD escorted by at least FIVE SDs
>couldn't stop ships and fighters leaving the planet.
The Planetary Ion Cannon was defending the fleeing ships. That's why the blockade failed, any capitol ship in the escape coridor was dissabled.
Besides, they wanted prisoners, not trashed ships and vaporized corpses.
>planet. We see in the latest SW books that the Vong
>cannot reliably stop ships going to and leaving
>Coruscant.
They are caught off guard, surprise is the greatest weapon in any arsenal it can turn any battle if it is used properly.
Therefore I find the whole plan at Bothawui
>suspect from the start. Since the plan was not carried
>out, we cannot say for certain that it would have
>succeeded.
They would probly start by destroying the known space ports, and sending all fighters and bombers on patrol to pick off those who get off the ground before the ports are destroyed or have private ports. They would probly destroy the comm arrays immediatly after destroying the space ports To insure that no one becomes aware of the operation and then go on from there, using the bombers to help with the razing of the planet's surface.
>I don't doubt that three SD can perform a BDZ. I never
>said they couldn't. Its the time frame I'm questioning.
It doesn't really matter, sinse this is about 100 ISDs and 2 SSDs.
>Of course on screen, none of the Imperial weapons come
>close to the gigaton range either. They don't
>generally in the books. I assume you are basing this
>on ICS?
I am, but the books and movies don't really quoate sensor readings and weapon yields, so I have no reason to beleive otherwise.
>In TESB, an asteroid was enough to decapitate an ISD,
>even though the impact wasn't out of the kt range.
The shields were probly down by that time, after all, they where deep into the asteroid field by that time, and the guns can't shoot every asteroid out of the sky, some are bound to get through eventually. Besides, the rock was the size of the bridge tower, if not bigger, if a rock the size of one of the nacelles hit the saucer section on any of the Feddie ships, it would probly punch a big hole in it. Size and mass and speed matter in this case.
>Assuming the hyperspace drive is not damaged.
There are emergency drives
>Assuming that they have the co-ords pre-programed,
They don't need co-ordinates, co-ordinates just make the jump safe, a blind jump for only a second or two will get you far from battle and the enemy will have a very difficult time tracking you with little worry about hitting something big.
>Assuming that hours later after their repairs are performed,
>that there is still a fleet left to return to.
You got me there.
>As for BDZ, it is described as "the systematic
>complete destruction of all assets of production,
>including factories, arable land, mines, fisheries,
>and all sentient beings and droids."
>
>This operation has also been referred to as reducing
>"a civilized world to slag", but also as reducing "a
>planet's surface to smoking debris in a matter of
>hours". Thjose two statements are incompatible.
Yes they are. And in the "Black Fleet Crisis" we se another of version of the BDZ, although not using that name, in this instince we see single turbolaser bolts vaping buildings, making very large craters and turning the sourounding ground for several meters into black glass. The Yevathans fire in such a way as to turn sheets of ground into black glass. This would devestate the land for many decades without melting through a large portion of the planatary crust.
>So yes there are multiple definitions of it. If you
>want to choose the 'slag' definition, that is fine,
>but it doesn't change the fact that there are other
>definitions out there.
>
>In the example of BDZ performed on Dankayo, the rebel
>base was reduced to slag, but a "deep planet shelter"
>survived.
It could have been designed to survive a BDZ since this tactic would be widely wispered of by this time.
>In DarkSaber, an Imperial fleet bombarded Yavin's moon
>for some time, without coming close to the 'slag'
>requirements for a BDZ. In fact, all their turbolasers
>managed, was to burn off some of the jungle. In that
>attack there were SEVENTEEN Imperial Star Destroyers.
>Later, the attack continued with a number of Victory
>class star destroyers AND one Super Star Destroyer. At
>no time was the surface turned to slag, or the moon
>seriously (i.e long term)damaged.
They were interupted by desperate Jedi and then Home One respectively, they weren't un harried, and this caused complications in the process.
>Voy:Dragons Teeth. Even on manual targeting, Voyager
>was hitting them. As for fast, what is that? TIE
>fighters have never shown high speeds or acceleration.
Still not as small as TIEs. Nor I imagine as manuverable as tiny one man fighters.
>None of which have shields. We saw in ANH that even a
>very low speed impact was enough to critically damage
>a TIE fighter. TIEs would did in droves in proximity
>photon detonations, and would never get close enough
>to fire their weapons. The captial ships are the issue
>here, the fighters mean little.
If one perigrin hit another and they were traveling at the same speed in a tight coridor, they would bounce off of each other into the walls as well. Again, size, speed, and mass have a great deal to do with this sort of thing.
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