| Subject: Re: Imperial fleet Vs Federation fleet |
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Date Posted: 09:06:38 10/02/02 Wed
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In reply to:
capn hayes
's message, "Re: Imperial fleet Vs Federation fleet" on 18:24:01 10/01/02 Tue
>>>I'm talking about the time differential between
>>>Traveling @ warp vs. Sublight. assuming of course
>the
>>>weapons can cross the warp barrier to the sublight
>>>realm, there is a 99.9 probability that you would
>>>overshoot the target. They've said it repeatedly in
>>>DS9, Voyager and Enterprise and to include ST:TNG
>BOBW
>>>where o'brian mentions the ship had to match warp
>>>velocity's to do any type of combat.
>>
>>No, he said that they had to match warp velocities for
>>TRANSPORT. He doesn't mention combat, why would he, he
>>is the transporter chief, not the tactical officer!
>
>Boy you are a little smart ass!
What are you, six years old? I used to call people names when I was six too!
If someone uses a quote that is wrong, am I supposed to pat his hand and say, "yes yes, of course you are right". GIVE ME A BREAK!
>>>Then if you really want to get mad read this: The
>>>directors and writers of the original series
>>>discredited that episode due to their lack of
>>>knowledge. If they discredit it.. it become
>>>non-official even if it is in the TV Show.
>>>
>>
>>Hmmmm....I definitely want a reference on that. I have
>>been debating this stuff for years and have NEVER
>>heard that. Its easy to say it, but can you provide
>>some proof?
>
>Shows how much you really know! Try a show on the
>History channel on the origins of Science Fiction!
Fine, if it was stated on a show on the history channel, I assume a reference can be supplied. If not, then its not proven as far as I am concerned.
>>
>>>I mean explain Star Trek V. And don't tell me they
>>>where traveling "twords the center of the galaxy"
>>>because Cybok clearly says that Shakarei was "In the
>>>center of the Galaxy" in the speach to the crew of
>the
>>>Enterprise. There was no Wormhole or any other
>>>phenomina or else they would have at least mentioned
>>>it. but 6.7 hours from Nimbus 3 to the center of the
>>>galaxy?? If this is official then any ship wanting
>>>to go to the center of the galaxy should make a quick
>>>3 day trip from earth to Nimbus 3 then leave and head
>>>to the center of the galaxy.
>>
>>This is an interesting one. Gene Roddenberry wanted to
>>'de-canonize' parts of ST:V before he died. I have
>>always suspected that the trip to the centre of the
>>galaxy was the most obvious bit to do. It doesn't make
>>sense to the rest of the show. However, by that time,
>>Paramount owned the rights, not him.
>
>HMMM that proves one thing! The show has flaws and
>mistakes.
Of course it does/ Even you precious star wars universe does too.
>So any arguement you try to make based on
>anything in star trek can be picked apart easily
>because whether you try to hide behind a TM or
>speculate about an episode. your main problem is you
>think you've got all the answers and you don't. All
>you do have is speculation based on an ever changing
>made up universe. besides you are missing the whole
>point of Star Trek. Its about the characters and the
>story, not the fake treknobabble. With the exception
>of Voyager which seemed to thrive on techno-bullshit,
>like the crap you have been spouting out.
Why do you bother debating here? Were you misinformed about the purpose of the forum? If you don't like this kind of debate, please leave. But don't give me grief about it.
>You
>definitly don't know very much about Star Wars if
>really think any trek ship would stand a snowballs
>chance in hell against a Wars ship of equal class.
>Which it is quite obvious you little trekling don't or
>wouldn't be pushing the warp strafing bullshit so
>hard. You know you need any pitiful edge you can get
>beause in a strait head to head fight trek would lose.
>Not only are they outmatched but they out classed
>everytime. I thought you were fair and balanced but
>your know better than Graham Kennedy. Just a dose of
>reality to wake you up from your Trek fantasy.
Well I thought you were the same. However, in this debate I have found that you do not listen to evidence, even when you are told three times. You then get upset and insulting when proven wrong. I'm sorry that is the case. As I have said before, I have enjoyed debating with you in the past. I consider myself to be a fair person in this debate, and am always ready to listen to other opinions. I may not always agree with them (especially if they don't previde supporting evidence), but I will listen and consider. Most people consider me to be a very reasonable debater. The Clash of the Titans story is considered one of the most balanced fanfic stories. Unlike fanatics, I don't believe that either side has total superiority in all fields. I believe that the empire would win a war with the Federation, but that Federation ships (by virtue of their high real space FTL speeds) have a major advantage over many Imperial ships. If seeing the advantages of both sides, and failing to simply say that SW is best at everything annoys you, I'm sorry. But don't expect me to join your fantasy.
>
>The more you speculate the easier it is to pick you
>apart.
>Don't mean to be rude, but in all your speculation you
>have overlooked possible ways to deal with ANY of the
>pitiful tactics that you've mentioned.
Well since we never debated that part, its not surprising.
>For example if
>it were a trek ship without warpdrive how would they
>deal with the problem.
Well, we saw exactly their reaction to that in Elaan of Troyius. Of course I don't expect you to accept that.
>An Imperial Star Destroyer has
>many capabilities to wage warfare across space! That,s
>what they were built for. To assume they would be left
>helpless against any trek tactic that we've seen
>onscreen is absurd.
I never said they were helpless. Once again, you haven't actually read what I have written.
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