| Subject: Re: Galaxy class vrs Victory class. |
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TrekGOD
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Date Posted: 20:57:42 09/03/02 Tue
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In reply to:
WarsGOD
's message, "Re: Galaxy class vrs Victory class." on 19:21:50 09/01/02 Sun
>>>>>>>>>Well maybe.....if this thread was about fleets
>>>>>>rather
>>>>>>>>>than just two ships!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nice try....no cigar! :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well try this on then, they wouldn't need the
>>>first
>>>>>>>>shots with sheilds and weapons that have no
>>>>>>>>modulations, thus offense and defense cannot be
>>>>made
>>>>>>>>more or less effective through the use of techno
>>>>>>>>babble, the Empire will be Victorouis!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every type of energy operates on a frequency no
>>>>>matter
>>>>>>>how powerful.. it has to operate on specific
>>>>>>>frequencies for proper opertation.. The human
>>brian
>>>>>>>for instance. Every here of "Brain Waves" well,
>>>>this
>>>>>>>is the a mount of energy put off by the brain
>>>>>(usually
>>>>>>>in watts) that is combination of chemical
>>reactions
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>your body.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does this relate you ask?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If star trek ships can modulate their shields to
>>>>>block
>>>>>>>at certain frequencies, conceivably they can
>block
>>>>>all
>>>>>>>energy in the freqencies range. If the frequency
>>>of
>>>>>>>the energy being generated is beyond the
>>>capabilites
>>>>>>>then the ship will take normal damage from the
>>>power
>>>>>>>of the weapon of choice. Now if it is true that
>>>the
>>>>>>>borg can adapt to freqencies as rapidly displayed
>>>in
>>>>>>>the TV Shows and in some of the books, then they
>>>>>could
>>>>>>>modulate their sheilding to deflect that of star
>>>>wars
>>>>>>>turbo lasers and blasters even if it has a
>>trillion
>>>>>>>terrawatts of destructive nuclear force behind
>it,
>>>>if
>>>>>>>they adapt it the freqency of weapon being fired
>>>>then
>>>>>>>the sheilding will be able to block it.
>>>>Unfortunatly
>>>>>>>for this though it goes both ways, they maybe
>>able
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>block the attack but they would have to redirect
>>>>>power
>>>>>>>from different area's to the centeral proccessors
>>>to
>>>>>>>increase the freqencies at which there sheilding
>>>>>>>operates and reduce the fire power of their
>>weapons
>>>>>so
>>>>>>>even if they won't get hurt, the still can't do
>>>much
>>>>>>>damage to the opposing vessels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(Just like overclocking a computer proccessor for
>>a
>>>>>>>program that won't run right unless you do)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If the power core of federation starships where
>>ion
>>>>>>>reactors like that of a star destroyers and SSD's
>>>>and
>>>>>>>so on it could generate enough power to deflect
>>any
>>>>>>>bonbardment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This isn't techno babble.. this is real life
>>>science
>>>>>>>applied to this situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A mushroom star base for example could deflect
>the
>>>>>>>fire power of a SSD if the sheild modulators can
>>>>>>>handle the power requirments, which on a the
>>larger
>>>>>>>bases they should with no problems. Where as the
>>>>>>>smaller ones like the one in ST:III won't because
>>>>>they
>>>>>>>are about the size of SSD and they only generate
>>>>>power
>>>>>>>for ship refiting and self repair if needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hope this puts things into a mach "Real Life"
>>>>>scenario
>>>>>>>for this discussion. please remember these points
>>>>>>>during your discussions about modulating
>sheilds.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Umm this is Trek-PhysicsMAN it already talks about
>>>>all
>>>>>>this in the TNG tech manual. With enough power to
>>>>>>block certain EM frequencies Trek ship's do seem
>to
>>>>>>have impressive shields. But it doesn't help them
>>>>with
>>>>>>suns does it. Now imagine that same raw power
>>(scary
>>>>>>thing ain't it) being poored down a invisible
>straw
>>>>>>between a Turbolaser and the shield wall of a trek
>>>>>>ship (or any shielded star cruiser). The straw in
>>>>trek
>>>>>>terms would be a annular confinment beam ACB. No a
>>>>>>Star Destroyer doesn't have the power matching a G
>>>>>>class star coming out its turbolaser gun port. But
>>>it
>>>>>>would have enough power to overwhelm a trek ships
>>>>>>shields with enough applied energy even with the
>>>>>>shields EM FM modulation blocking capability in
>>>>place.
>>>>>>Why do say this? Because based on what you're
>>saying
>>>>>>(which is discussed in the tech manual, if you
>>>choose
>>>>>>to accept that as cannon)the shields could block
>>out
>>>>>>the energy given of by a sun and become immune to
>>>its
>>>>>>energy, heat, and radiation. The same things
>>emmited
>>>>>>by a turbolaser, although not to that degree. We
>>>know
>>>>>>that this simply not true unless you're in the Sun
>>>>>>Crusher. Trek ship's can and do modulate their
>>>>shields
>>>>>>to protest themselves from al sorts of EM and
>>>nuclear
>>>>>>radiation effects but this has limits. I'm quite
>>>sure
>>>>>>that both star wars & trek have ways around this
>>>that
>>>>>>our 21st century physics cannot comprehend. Artoo
>>>>>>would know what I'm saying. Right Artoo?
>>>>>
>>>>>every time you say RAW (which there is no such
>thing
>>>>>as RAW energy) I am apauled. it is impossible for
>>>>>every single energy frequency to exisit in the same
>>>>>medium. Energy frequencies range from negetives to
>>>>>positives. If a "turbolaser" contains all known
>>>>>frequencies they would negate and cancel each
>other.
>>>>>Ex: -1+1=0
>>>>>Sorry to apaul you but the point I'm trying to make
>>>>it this trek ships can already do the things that
>you
>>>>suggest. It is still impossible for them to match
>the
>>>>firepower of an ISD! Because even though they might
>>be
>>>>able to match the frequency they still cannot
>produce
>>>>enough energy to block all of it. besides I wasn't
>>>>talking about frequencies I was talking about energy
>>>>of various types. What you still fail to realize is
>>>>I'm not really disagreeing with you, but merely
>tring
>>>>to explain that even if you can block a certain
>>>>frequency of a certian type of energy, you still
>have
>>>>to have an equal amount of energy to block the
>energy
>>>>which requires power. This is why trek ships can
>>block
>>>>harmful EM and nuclear radiation emmited from a sun.
>>>>But if you were going to try and fly through the sun
>>>>they would be destroyed because even though they can
>>>>block the energy (as you suggest) once come to close
>>>>and the level of energy intensity rises their
>shields
>>>>would buckle under the strain because the power
>>>>requirements would become to great. This was what I
>>>>was tring to get across to you. The TNG tech manual
>>>>already explains what you have stated in your
>>previous
>>>>post. Unfortunatly that wouldn't be enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Energy output in star trek is measured in Hertz..
>>>>>(incorrect) by their reference it should be
>>>referenced
>>>>>in cochrans. Star Trek: Generations.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the sun. Being a natural phenomina. Refer
>>to
>>>>>Star Trek IV when they slung shot around the sun
>>with
>>>>>the shields up..(I meant through it not around it,
>>in
>>>>my example above.) Which do recall in Deja Q that
>>>>the
>>>>>Enterprise entered the Atmosphere w/o shields.
>>(their
>>>>speed had to match the at of the moon, and while yes
>>>>it would have been fast it wasn't anywhere near
>>.32c)
>>>>Now at
>>>>>relativistic speeds of any where from .12c to .32c
>>>the
>>>>>hull would have reached around 38 to 40 million
>>>>>degrees in a matter of seconds, which is nearly
>>>double
>>>>>that of the surface of the sun and the biggest
>>>concern
>>>>>of the crew was getting out of the atmosphere
>>because
>>>>>they wouldn't have been able to stop.
>>>>
>>>>Please don't tell me that you think a Trek ship
>would
>>>>survive a trip through a sun!
>>>>>
>>>>>Remember I said if the Star Trek Universe used ION
>>>>>reactors not the Matter Anti-Matter power cores
>they
>>>>>use now they could generate the power needed for
>>>>>producing the shielding that we are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>Remember "real life" physics have to be sometimes
>>>>ignored. Otherwise most of what we know about Trek
>>and
>>>>Wars would be impossilbe to acheive, for them. Just
>>as
>>>>it is for us.
>>>PhysicsMAN I don't know what universe you live in.
>But
>>>in my world Imperial science can alter the laws of
>>>physics on a whim! MUAH AH AH AH!!!!
>>
>>You know there are places designed to help people like
>>you.
> Ah hah! Well I see you once again have missed the
>point PhysicsMAN. You take things to seriously. But
>your right "that place designed for people like me" is
>the multiplex to watch and be entertained by movies
>like Star Wars and maybe even Stak Trek, maybe. I try
>not to take people like you to seriuosly. After all
>this is all in good fun, and this stuff ain't real
>man, relax. Sorry I got you all upset. Also as I said
>earlier I'm not really disagreeing with what you're
>saying. Merely trying to point out that Trek shields
>do seem to work as you say. It's just that is not
>enough to completely stop turbolasers. Also had to
>point out that I don't think that the Enterprise was
>going .32c in the atmosphere of that planet while
>tring to push that moon(see "Deja Q"). At that speed
>it (552,960,000 mph) it would have shot through the
>atmosphere in a fraction of a second. So in conclusion
>there would have been no way the ship could have been
>exposed to 38 or 40 million degrees. Probably no more
>than the shuttle is exposed to on reentry (17,500 mph,
>or something close to that.
To bad Star Trek takes place in our future which means it has to avide by the known laws of physics.
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