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Date Posted: 19:21:50 09/01/02 Sun
Author Host/IP: NoHost/207.14.48.2
In reply to:
PhysicsMAN
's message, "Re: Galaxy class vrs Victory class." on 16:54:23 09/01/02 Sun
>>>>>>>>Well maybe.....if this thread was about fleets
>>>>>rather
>>>>>>>>than just two ships!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nice try....no cigar! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well try this on then, they wouldn't need the
>>first
>>>>>>>shots with sheilds and weapons that have no
>>>>>>>modulations, thus offense and defense cannot be
>>>made
>>>>>>>more or less effective through the use of techno
>>>>>>>babble, the Empire will be Victorouis!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Every type of energy operates on a frequency no
>>>>matter
>>>>>>how powerful.. it has to operate on specific
>>>>>>frequencies for proper opertation.. The human
>brian
>>>>>>for instance. Every here of "Brain Waves" well,
>>>this
>>>>>>is the a mount of energy put off by the brain
>>>>(usually
>>>>>>in watts) that is combination of chemical
>reactions
>>>>in
>>>>>>your body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does this relate you ask?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If star trek ships can modulate their shields to
>>>>block
>>>>>>at certain frequencies, conceivably they can block
>>>>all
>>>>>>energy in the freqencies range. If the frequency
>>of
>>>>>>the energy being generated is beyond the
>>capabilites
>>>>>>then the ship will take normal damage from the
>>power
>>>>>>of the weapon of choice. Now if it is true that
>>the
>>>>>>borg can adapt to freqencies as rapidly displayed
>>in
>>>>>>the TV Shows and in some of the books, then they
>>>>could
>>>>>>modulate their sheilding to deflect that of star
>>>wars
>>>>>>turbo lasers and blasters even if it has a
>trillion
>>>>>>terrawatts of destructive nuclear force behind it,
>>>if
>>>>>>they adapt it the freqency of weapon being fired
>>>then
>>>>>>the sheilding will be able to block it.
>>>Unfortunatly
>>>>>>for this though it goes both ways, they maybe
>able
>>>>to
>>>>>>block the attack but they would have to redirect
>>>>power
>>>>>>from different area's to the centeral proccessors
>>to
>>>>>>increase the freqencies at which there sheilding
>>>>>>operates and reduce the fire power of their
>weapons
>>>>so
>>>>>>even if they won't get hurt, the still can't do
>>much
>>>>>>damage to the opposing vessels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(Just like overclocking a computer proccessor for
>a
>>>>>>program that won't run right unless you do)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If the power core of federation starships where
>ion
>>>>>>reactors like that of a star destroyers and SSD's
>>>and
>>>>>>so on it could generate enough power to deflect
>any
>>>>>>bonbardment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This isn't techno babble.. this is real life
>>science
>>>>>>applied to this situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A mushroom star base for example could deflect the
>>>>>>fire power of a SSD if the sheild modulators can
>>>>>>handle the power requirments, which on a the
>larger
>>>>>>bases they should with no problems. Where as the
>>>>>>smaller ones like the one in ST:III won't because
>>>>they
>>>>>>are about the size of SSD and they only generate
>>>>power
>>>>>>for ship refiting and self repair if needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>hope this puts things into a mach "Real Life"
>>>>scenario
>>>>>>for this discussion. please remember these points
>>>>>>during your discussions about modulating sheilds.
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Umm this is Trek-PhysicsMAN it already talks about
>>>all
>>>>>this in the TNG tech manual. With enough power to
>>>>>block certain EM frequencies Trek ship's do seem to
>>>>>have impressive shields. But it doesn't help them
>>>with
>>>>>suns does it. Now imagine that same raw power
>(scary
>>>>>thing ain't it) being poored down a invisible straw
>>>>>between a Turbolaser and the shield wall of a trek
>>>>>ship (or any shielded star cruiser). The straw in
>>>trek
>>>>>terms would be a annular confinment beam ACB. No a
>>>>>Star Destroyer doesn't have the power matching a G
>>>>>class star coming out its turbolaser gun port. But
>>it
>>>>>would have enough power to overwhelm a trek ships
>>>>>shields with enough applied energy even with the
>>>>>shields EM FM modulation blocking capability in
>>>place.
>>>>>Why do say this? Because based on what you're
>saying
>>>>>(which is discussed in the tech manual, if you
>>choose
>>>>>to accept that as cannon)the shields could block
>out
>>>>>the energy given of by a sun and become immune to
>>its
>>>>>energy, heat, and radiation. The same things
>emmited
>>>>>by a turbolaser, although not to that degree. We
>>know
>>>>>that this simply not true unless you're in the Sun
>>>>>Crusher. Trek ship's can and do modulate their
>>>shields
>>>>>to protest themselves from al sorts of EM and
>>nuclear
>>>>>radiation effects but this has limits. I'm quite
>>sure
>>>>>that both star wars & trek have ways around this
>>that
>>>>>our 21st century physics cannot comprehend. Artoo
>>>>>would know what I'm saying. Right Artoo?
>>>>
>>>>every time you say RAW (which there is no such thing
>>>>as RAW energy) I am apauled. it is impossible for
>>>>every single energy frequency to exisit in the same
>>>>medium. Energy frequencies range from negetives to
>>>>positives. If a "turbolaser" contains all known
>>>>frequencies they would negate and cancel each other.
>>>>Ex: -1+1=0
>>>>Sorry to apaul you but the point I'm trying to make
>>>it this trek ships can already do the things that you
>>>suggest. It is still impossible for them to match the
>>>firepower of an ISD! Because even though they might
>be
>>>able to match the frequency they still cannot produce
>>>enough energy to block all of it. besides I wasn't
>>>talking about frequencies I was talking about energy
>>>of various types. What you still fail to realize is
>>>I'm not really disagreeing with you, but merely tring
>>>to explain that even if you can block a certain
>>>frequency of a certian type of energy, you still have
>>>to have an equal amount of energy to block the energy
>>>which requires power. This is why trek ships can
>block
>>>harmful EM and nuclear radiation emmited from a sun.
>>>But if you were going to try and fly through the sun
>>>they would be destroyed because even though they can
>>>block the energy (as you suggest) once come to close
>>>and the level of energy intensity rises their shields
>>>would buckle under the strain because the power
>>>requirements would become to great. This was what I
>>>was tring to get across to you. The TNG tech manual
>>>already explains what you have stated in your
>previous
>>>post. Unfortunatly that wouldn't be enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Energy output in star trek is measured in Hertz..
>>>>(incorrect) by their reference it should be
>>referenced
>>>>in cochrans. Star Trek: Generations.
>>>>
>>>>As for the sun. Being a natural phenomina. Refer
>to
>>>>Star Trek IV when they slung shot around the sun
>with
>>>>the shields up..(I meant through it not around it,
>in
>>>my example above.) Which do recall in Deja Q that
>>>the
>>>>Enterprise entered the Atmosphere w/o shields.
>(their
>>>speed had to match the at of the moon, and while yes
>>>it would have been fast it wasn't anywhere near
>.32c)
>>>Now at
>>>>relativistic speeds of any where from .12c to .32c
>>the
>>>>hull would have reached around 38 to 40 million
>>>>degrees in a matter of seconds, which is nearly
>>double
>>>>that of the surface of the sun and the biggest
>>concern
>>>>of the crew was getting out of the atmosphere
>because
>>>>they wouldn't have been able to stop.
>>>
>>>Please don't tell me that you think a Trek ship would
>>>survive a trip through a sun!
>>>>
>>>>Remember I said if the Star Trek Universe used ION
>>>>reactors not the Matter Anti-Matter power cores they
>>>>use now they could generate the power needed for
>>>>producing the shielding that we are talking about.
>>>
>>>Remember "real life" physics have to be sometimes
>>>ignored. Otherwise most of what we know about Trek
>and
>>>Wars would be impossilbe to acheive, for them. Just
>as
>>>it is for us.
>>PhysicsMAN I don't know what universe you live in. But
>>in my world Imperial science can alter the laws of
>>physics on a whim! MUAH AH AH AH!!!!
>
>You know there are places designed to help people like
>you.
Ah hah! Well I see you once again have missed the point PhysicsMAN. You take things to seriously. But your right "that place designed for people like me" is the multiplex to watch and be entertained by movies like Star Wars and maybe even Stak Trek, maybe. I try not to take people like you to seriuosly. After all this is all in good fun, and this stuff ain't real man, relax. Sorry I got you all upset. Also as I said earlier I'm not really disagreeing with what you're saying. Merely trying to point out that Trek shields do seem to work as you say. It's just that is not enough to completely stop turbolasers. Also had to point out that I don't think that the Enterprise was going .32c in the atmosphere of that planet while tring to push that moon(see "Deja Q"). At that speed it (552,960,000 mph) it would have shot through the atmosphere in a fraction of a second. So in conclusion there would have been no way the ship could have been exposed to 38 or 40 million degrees. Probably no more than the shuttle is exposed to on reentry (17,500 mph, or something close to that.
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