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Subject: Enga: Provincial Statistical Office Author: larsen [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Sun, Jul 13 2008, 11:46:58am ........................................................... i assume that the new enga provincial treasurer be my friend steven lembakali. could someone confirm it and if possible could i be provided a contact address. ........................................................... though not aware if enga province has a provincial statistical office, it it paramount that enga should have an office immediately. i do not know how many medical doctors, nurses, academic doctors, community schools, and community health centres enga has? a character that determines good provincial economic development plan is better statistical information. if i get these two pieces of information, i could ask the treasurer to consider such a project. if it is messer lembakali as the treasurer then, he is adequately educated to see the importance of such a project. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Enga: Provincial Statistical Office Author: Wambe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Jul 13 2008, 12:12:29pm Kaim, very good point there with the establishment of a Enga Statistical project. I wish I had the contacts and had first-hand information about the Treasurer to provide you. Hopefully someone does in this forum, and that you can suggst your idea to whoever the treasurer be. Wambe. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Howmuch would it cost (PGK) for Data Collection Alone! ?? Author: Freddie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 01:45:41am If I had secured some kind of funding from some external source through my own course, and given our own enthusiasm and patriotism for Enga, I was going to do a reasonably practical data collection operation in Enga...Exactly How much would it costs for such an operation? I would consider the rugged terrains, and cost of air transport where there is no road, to be able to visit every Engan household within the province. Also costs of gas/fuel, food, accomodation, vehicle transport hire and so forth. Is someone from back home in Wabag able to give a rough estimate on this, and be it more practical than how the guys in Waigani do their math. Not that I have funding or so, but just curious how much it would costs. I think we're all tired of the dependency of the government, and may as well do things our own way. Freddie [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: How feasible would it be (How do we do this) ? Author: Freddie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 01:58:05am Do we visit every individual household in person whether by air, vehicle and/or foot? Or to make things easier do we ask every household rep/family to gather at a central location (esp. for those remote areas) and compensate each household with a bag of rice, tinned meal, sugar and coffee for gathering that day when we visit? How do we distinctively identify each rep has having submitted information already for the household they respresent, rather than come back 2 or 3 times for a bag of rice and fish again... Just raising points of discussion here... Freddie [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: How feasible would it be (How do we do this) ? Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 11:16:55am in terms of consensus/population data for specific clan/tribe, it is quite cloudy with such issues you have mentioned. being specific, project advises district administration of such visit, district administration informs llg councillors/leaders to gather people of clan in a common place in their village, project,district administration informs the purposes and objectives of the survey to all the people and asks for full cooperation. elect some persons to collect the detailed in survey papers for some time. this process would give good/reflective data of the population rather than sampling techniqes, which involves few been collected. given these data, planners would determine the number of medical doctors per population in a clan or district. this result assist in deciding whether more medical doctors are needed in Wake-kandep than in governor's clan. as mentioned, the type of data required determines the cost structure but the provincial government and the people of enga are very excellent, cooperative and honest to participate in such a project. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: What kind of information/data would be valuable? Author: Freddie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 02:46:10am Personal Demographic Information: What's your name? your wife's name? howmany kids? grandpa, and grandma still alive? Who's the breadwinner? Your age, kids age, grandpa's age? Howmany females/males in the family Ethnic/Tribal Information: Which subclan? Clan? Tribe? Councillor? tribal war in the last 20 years? with which tribe? why (or what the cause was)? Howmany killed? Howmany still survive? Service Information: Where's the nearest hospital? school? Church? Shopping area? vegetable market? Nearest service port like road junction, landing field, etc. How often do government agencies visit and when was the last time visited? Any means of public communication (or just shouting from the hilltop / hearsay, grapevine at different gatherings) ? Do you market your produce? How often do you go out to town (Wabag, Mt. Hagen, etc.)? Just some info I thought would be valuable understanding the different lifestyles of people living within Enga. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: What kind of information/data would be valuable? Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 11:38:08am objectives of the data collection project determine the type of data that need to be collected. population censensus would required you to collect some specific details as mentioned by you. (there would be more exciting data but it is essential to keep to your requirements) for instance, detail of deceased not needed, hair and eye color not needed. age needed, need to know what percentage of the population would be in 50s after ten years, etc. appropriateness and good code of conduct is needed. it is evident to ask people the day of days the clinic opens, how many children in a family attend some form of education. it would not be quite essential to ask how many times a Wake father goes to wabag town given the cost and all the considerations(he would be hurt and it is sad to get such a obvious answer from him). i note that some degree of appropriateness and good code of conduct should prevail. it is essential that all the essential data need to serve a purpose be collected. when need arise, the next visit can be planned. however, the provincial statistical office should collect these most essential data; population, service, geograhical etc. these data readily available for planning googs and service delievery to the districts(rural population). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Howmuch would it cost (PGK) for Data Collection Alone! ?? Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 11:01:12am the cost structure of such a project would be greatly determined by the type of data required (the establishment/mobilization cost, which is for setup of basic infrastructure for the project, should be included). the other factor, which would determine the cost, is the project be done in close alliance with the provincial government. such data as how many medical doctors in each district or electorate would be collected from district offices. to get a consensus/population of the Wake people in kandep district, you would need help from district administration but need to get to each household to count the heads. most of the districts are access by vehicle except malamooni. the provincial government would provide a vehicle and some basic assistance if asked.(the rent-a-car companies have standardized rates but this would be quite expensive) as mentioned, the type of data required drives the cost structure largely. need provincial government assistance to make your budget reasonably affordable. some data would be provided by the provincial government but need updating. data change over time and thus, sustainability in this project is maintained to make the values of data better over time. given these considerations and other factors(political) not covered, it would be reliable to initiate a project of such nature with the provincial government and then, let the provincial government take ownership of it for sustainability purposes. our friends in the national statistical office: http://www.nso.gov.pg/ would provincial some assistance if requested. with such assistance, the cost budget could be more one-half lower than without them. but cost budget can always be made to fit the funding cap and appropriately accommodate the speicific targets/objectives in such project. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Enga: Provincial Statistical Office Author: k [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 01:52:25pm Does the National Statistical Office of Papua New Guinea have any information you require? Although the stats. are old, it might be a starting point to update. http://www.nso.gov.pg/Special_Products/prod.htm The stats. also detail literacy rates for 2000. http://www.nso.gov.pg/Pop_Soc_%20Stats/Social/Education/education.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Enga: Provincial Statistical Office Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 02:20:53pm the nso and the provincial government have data. these historical data need to be updated as reliability is essential. reference made to nso; nso's (technical) assistance could be sought to setup the provincial statistical office (or to conduct private statistical surveys). however, i agree that the historical statistics are still essential for historical trends, which help shape the future. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Enga: Provincial Statistical Office Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sat, Jul 19 2008, 08:22:22pm Freddie, if there is any possibility for your end, could you let me know if i would be of any help. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Enga: Provincial Statistical Office Author: Freddie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Jul 20 2008, 04:24:10am Larsen, There are certainly possibilities, but firstly I am not in Wabag (Enga) or PNG right now. I am just trying to get an understanding of how difficult things might be and the cost factors to such projects. Kind of like a feasibility phase if you like. There is certainly a desire to having such an office, (among other things) which would substantially help in projecting economic and social growth factors on long term basis' in Enga. Information/Data is key to decision making and the need for information (provincial social/economical statistics) to be of high integrity/quality is a good thing any one province, or nation for that matter would desire to have. I would not hesitate planning a project like such given the issues surrounding funding are taken care of. Freddie [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Enga: Provincial Statistical Office Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 09:12:02pm still there for discussion [ Post a Reply to This Message ]