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Subject: word on ground on Ipatas?


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Highlands_Cinderella
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Date Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2007, 03:55:49pm

Heay people
me just wanting your view on what you thinking people on or from Enga think of Mr Ipatas, after all its, this province that will vote him in. Is the mood in the province like people happy with his leadership or are people intending to kick him out?
I meet him during my christmas break while back in png for holidays at one of his party launchings. I didnt agree with some of his policies.
This wasnt his province and so their was a big commotion for his party lauching, as their usualy is when a big name politician is in town and people were psyching up to pay party membership fees.
So yes whats the talk on the ground in Enga about Mr Ipatas?

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Cool_Guy1
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 07 2007, 12:37:45pm

Ipatas seem to present himself in the media well, however, work on the land is yet to be seen. Hollywood actors put on a good show for others to enjoy in the media, and i believe that is what Ipatas is doing.. lol..

Mind you, he was found guilty of various charges but i dont really know how he escaped penalty.

As a leader, he cant provide stable leadership to the people of Enga. Under his leadership, he serves those who voted for him. He makes sure his close associates benefit, rather than Enga as a province. Many people that did not vote for him are waiting for the next election to get rid of him.

Under the new voting system, i belief, room for corruption is rooted out. There are some chance members in parliament who made it in through dubious means, and this time it wont repeat itself.

Word on the groud is, Ipatas is walking out of politics with his tails behind his back. His dream to become the Prime Minister will only be realised in a drunken state.. lol..hehehe

Cool_Guy1

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Author:
Komai Apul (Ipatas..still the best?)
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2007, 04:32:00pm

Ipatas is the only choice for Enga right now.
There is now other potential person contesting to challenge ipatas. If you serious, then you endorse people like Rex Paki, Ango Wangatau, Ronald Kolalio, Issac Lupari and Rimbink Pato to the Post. Otherwise, Enga can't vote for a priest, a colonial leader like Torato, or a litiyok like Lambu. Enga has no choice but vote ipatas tasol.

Lakapalap Nialapo
Pauli Native

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Author:
Don "the King" Polye
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2007, 04:44:25pm

Ha, ha, ha! Nice one Cool_Guy1.. Ipatas is walking out with his tail behind his back. Who the hell's this stupid Apulin opening his mouth over a futile issue?? Don't you get it?! Ipatas is a gonner! He'll still be dazed when he finds out what hit him after the GE!

No more counting in Wabag for Ipatas to manipulate. Honorable Don "the king" Polye has announced that each electoral votes are to be counted in each district headquarter and this decision is to be gazetted by National Parliament by the end of this month.

From now on, Ipatas can kiss his "Corrupt" People's party and dreams of becoming PM goodbye! What a bird-brain!!

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Komai apul (King of Enga is ipatas.)
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2007, 05:36:12pm

Don is not even one step closer to ipatas in the Enga politics. You can become a puppet and influence the national politics but not the enga politics. Ipatas gave these 5 seats to these open mps. Its ipatas whose going to do the same again.
You must be primitive enough to say that counting will be done in each districts. There is no legal framework ot support this. If you and don are man enough, then amend the electrol commision law to make the counting in each districts. Otherwise, yupela liklik mangi long enga politics, apul save wokim ya em bai wokim gen.

Apul Power.

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Don "the King" Polye
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2007, 07:04:54pm

Men Apul yo! Wait and you shall see the work of Don "the King" Polye come to light. He will screw you and Ipatas to Forgotten Land!

Unfortunately contrary to Ipatas and your dream, King Polye is part of the NEC and the second most powerful man in the country. Devising an electoral policy for Enga and the other tribal war prone areas of the highlands is not impossible on his part. And mind you, it doesn't require an amendment to the electoral commission law. The process by which counting can occur is alterable accordingly to the recommendations of the law-and-order parliamentary committee headed by Karpa Yarka. (Thanks Yarka!) All it requires is due Cabinet gazettal of a provisional electoral policy for the "gun" prone areas (i.e. Enga, SHP, etc.).

So you think Ipatas and you will win all 6 seats just like that, ah?! Sore tumas!! Ipatas will go down in history as the Money Laundering, Justice Subverting, Women Perverting Criminal of Enga.

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Author:
Kolo rat (Insanity)
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Date Posted: Fri, Apr 13 2007, 04:35:13pm

Since when did Don Polye become "King." Some lunatics are talking when they should be in Laloki. We the Kandepens KNOW Don the Somare's brief case boy.

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peace
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Date Posted: Fri, Apr 13 2007, 07:57:33pm

This is his first term in parliament. It gets a certain quality to attract the deputy prime minister's position. One would also say he is also going through the learning, you the Kandepens and rest of Enga still needs him. Stopping talking about recycling leaders too quickly, Please, Kandepens give him another chance and send him back to parliament.

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Kolo Rat (Kinigi)
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Date Posted: Sun, Apr 15 2007, 02:42:36pm

Mr Peace,

Your pleas are not peaceful - Don is a goner. You don't learn a single thing by carrying brief cases do you? Nah, Kandepens and Engans for that matter are too good to be in the current DPM's shoes - playing the brif case boy.

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Peace
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Date Posted: Tue, Apr 17 2007, 09:11:46am

OK

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Author:
lokal Turis
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 07 2007, 03:17:07pm

Hai pipol. Check this out on today's paper, http://www.thenational.com.pg/030707/nation31.htm
The National at the section: Brief.

Priest to run for Enga seat

"A CATHOLIC priest is among other contestants has raised his hands to contest the Enga Regional seat. Fr Paul Kanda, a member of the Divine Word Missionaries SVD is convinced that this will be history in making for him as a clergy challenging Governor Peter Ipatas, who is the hottest contender in this election. Fr Paul says that he was contesting the Enga Regional seat not to divide but unite the people of Enga and uproot corrupt leaders in the public service and political cronies who had already destroyed the image of the province".

This is kool.
Lokal turis

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Author:
Lupsco (Idiots Complain)
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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2007, 02:04:41pm

All that I have read over this web is a set of complaints. Manic idiots who cower behind pen names to attack other peoples standing and character.

Even worse, they provide not alternative to the critisisms they seem to endlessly propogate. They should know that "A set of complaints do not constitute a plan".

Until and unless these so called educated idiots provide a real alternative to the Ipatas regime in both a Charismatic Leader and Development policies, all their rhetorics are just that, nonsensical rhetorics by people with nothing better to do with their time.

Good Leadership is a trait not defined by educational qualification, religious affiliation or economic standing. Education, religion and economic standing can influence the capacity and capability and style of leadership but they do not define leadership.

This is becasue leadership is not defined by the enclosed ideals of a text book. Leadership by definition is about; 1.the ability of a person to lead the masses and having the ability to mobilise and rally the people behind a united cause for their own advancement (Charisma & Vision).
2.Having mobilised the peoples support behind him, a good leader will organise and mobilise the development resources to address the development issues affecting our peoples which every body in Enga knows about.

You don not need to go to school in Tokyo, Sydney of London to know how to do this.

A good leader is one who has the ability and capacity to identify the strenghts and weaknesses firstly in himself/herself and build a team of people around oneself so as to improve his capacity and ability lead his/her people effectively.

He needn't have gone to Harvard, if can mobilise a harvard graduate to think for him/her to address a particular problem. It is better to have a leader with a general ground in all facets of life rather than a PHD lab rat with a tunnel vission for test tubes. It would be better to have a lay christian than a fundementlist idealist willing to blow himself/herself Up for Gods cause for God's cause.

A even sadder picture for Enga, is the fact that you so called educated people are all tainted and biased by tribal and political affilliation. As such, no matter how neutral you try to pretend, reading through your mess, we can see that your biases shine out as clear as daylight.

First and foremost, let us all swallow out prides and egos, with which, will go our biases and contradictions. If we seriously believe in the future of the province, speak maturely and honestly wbout the ISSUES and not the PERSONS and be a proponent of change for BETTER in stead of a REGIME CHANGE antagonists which does no good for Enga.

Preaching blind regime change will maintain the STATUS QUO of culture of Government, Administration and Society but a change of peoples faces at the top with no real progress for our peoples.

If you seriously look at it, you change the leaderships of Ipatas, Polye, Abal, Yarrkka etc, what you achieve is regime change with no real progress as has been the case. The same culprits that were the problem in Enga in Tindiwis time, were the same ones during Balakau's time are still around when Ipatas is around. If we get a regime change and have Miss SHit as Governor next year, I will bet my life that the xame culprits will continue the culture of government and administration in Enga.

In two years time when I visit this site, I am sure to read the same kind of nonsensical educated bullshit about another regime change.

If you educated people out their in cyberspace want to be a real proponent of CHANGE in Enga, I ask you firstly to swallow your prides, egos and biases.

Start to write and think positively as educated Engans and not as dissullutioned exiles.

Every positive writing and thinking will become a pillar of CHANGE for Enga. Lets face it, Rome was not built in one lifetime.

If we really want to change the culture and mentallity of our governments and peoples and be a influence to later generations of ENgans coming, we need to be proactive proponents to change the culture and mentality of governance and administration. You can really cahnage Enga with your postive writing and thoughts. Remember the "Pen is mightier than the sword".

People like Plato and Aristotle shaped the destiny of humanity with their thoughts and pens. We can be a beacon of hope to our people.

If you fight people or attack them, humankind has a natutal tendency to fight back. The law of "Self-Preservation" is written in every human gene. We cannot dstroy all the "bad" / "evil" people so that Enga can become better. Remember the Holocaust did not succeed, but we can influence the way our Families, Wantoks, clansmen. tribesmen think.

The kind of change required in Enga is in the way our people think, rationalise and set out to address their societal problems. The culture of the Engan way of life is the cause of tribal fights, law & Order problems, compensation issues the list is endless.

These issues can not be solved by legislation, or government antogonism, but by a integral change in the way of thinking and culture of our peoples. I essence we need a process of "CIVILISATION" to assimilate our peoples into the 21st Century so that we can live in this global village as "civilised beings" in the 21st Century instead of "Stone Age Barbarians".

I apologise for getting carried away in the maze of thinking, but the point here is that: ENGA NEEDS YOU. You are among the fortunate few of Enga, and as such with this previledge comes the responsibility of Individual leadership to your families and communities to bring about this change in our respective communities.

Real Change in Enga, by the nature of our province and peoples can not be top down procedure as is propagated by the REGIME CHANGE idealists but a bottom up civilisation process with changes begining from the family unit.

This is where your responsibility starts. So please do not waste you thougts on mindless ideaologies and fantasies because Enga Needs All its Brains... And that includes you too...

Sanso

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Author:
Want to Know
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 07 2007, 08:06:44pm

Hi Pipol,

I just want to know Ipatas' party policies. If anyone is aware of any, please list them. All I read from the papers is about his free education policies, which will not do anything for the nation just like what's happening with his free education policy in the province.

Cheers,
Want to Know

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Author:
Want to Know
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 07 2007, 08:09:28pm

I would vote for someone contesting under the banner of either of these political parties:
1. New Generation Party
2. Stars Alliance Party
3. PNG Party

I admire the leadership of Bart Philemon and Sir Mekere. And Dr Waine seems to have a heart for the nation.

Tingting blon me tasol,
Want to Know

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Author:
cardo stuntzo
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2007, 05:48:14pm

check this link http://www.thenational.com.pg/031407/letter1.htm.
you can get a good grip of what is going on, though it is written from a diamensional point. The original doc I posted is under the title " IPATAS PUNDARI UNINION TAINTS INTEGREITY". Check it out.

word on ground, ipatas is just like a oxford dictionary full of words!

em tzol.

cardo stuntzo

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Author:
Lisa
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2007, 12:19:42am

When in Enga last year, sadly for only 8 days (at Sari village and Kumul lodge), what struck me as an aussie was the different attitude to voting and politics.

The way I grew up in Melbourne, it is tambu to ask people who they vote for, and most people don't share it with others...often even husband and wives don't discuss who they voted for.

It seemed to me that people follow politicians in Enga a bit like people here follow football teams... they 'barrack' for them, and make it quite public who they follow.

I know I'm naive, but in reality, can a politician REALLY know if you voted for them? Do they check your votes?

It sounded like 'chosing a team' is a very serious business that could have dire consequences if you chose the wrong one!

Do people still generally vote according to tribal/ clan 'teams'? Eg. Do most people in Sari 'back' one particular candidate?

I'm just interested in the way it works over there because it is so different from my experience.

By the way... I just loved Enga, especially the walk up to kiap... and can't wait to get back to visit again some time.. but it looks like being about two or three years before I'll have enough money.

Lisa x

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Lisa
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2007, 11:34:46pm

Thankyou '61' for taking the time to write back to my questions and comments. You explained it very well. I knew about the strong triabal ties, but hadn't considered the evolution from moka (hadn't heard of te'e).

Politics is certainly completely different in Enga.

I was suprised to hear you say most Engans are uneducated, because I was suprised by the level of education, not only in Enga, but all PNG. I, like many people in first world countries have the false assumption that there is a correlation between education and living conditions. It amazed me to see that a beautiful woman, looking and behaving like any other secretary around the world lives without running water and showers in a freezing cold waterfall. I'm embarrased by how ignorant I have been, and still am.



assume that people living with no running water or electricity wouldn't people live in very basic conditions with no running water or electricity.

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Author:
61
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2007, 10:29:49am

Lisa,

Voting in Enga is a different concept altogether. Here we do not give much thought to the policies of candidates and whether it will help improve our daily living. I personally think it is not because of blatant ignorance and disregard for it but largely due to the high illiteracy level in the province. The bulk of the population, as you may have noted during your brief stay, are uneducated. Hence the only factor that drives them towards voting for a particular candidate is through bloodlines or people they have a 'special relations' with (tribal connections). These relations arise from traditional exchange ceremonies like moka and te'e. Recently these 'special relations' have been distortred and extended to mean 'vote buying' and 'doing favours', tactics that candidates use to solicit votes.

In Enga, the same tradditional system that encourages people to publicly express their 'special relations' with their alliances has translated into the elections. People like to publicly express that they vote for this or that candidate. The candidates, of course, do not check your votes but their scrutineers do. They play a complete different role to what they are supposed to do. They can even forcefully mark the X for the voters which I think is pure corruption.

The wasy I see it Enga has taken the voting process and turn it upside down. We have a lot of areas to improve on and I hope and pray that we can elect some good leaders who can overhaul this voting system and others.


Anyway, despite these Enga is certainly a very special province and has some of PNGs great mountainous views. Hope you can visit Enga again, gain more good impressions
and continue to promote my province and country in Australia and the world.

61

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