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Subject: Enga Candidates: A Priest?


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Londari
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Date Posted: Tue, Dec 26 2006, 02:03:47pm

Heard rumors about a priest going to contest the Enga Regional Seat. Can anybody in Wabag give me information about that?
Londari

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Cool_Guy1
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 27 2006, 09:32:36am

A priest for Enga regional seat? i thought this idea is for Chimbu's, Western Highlanders and Sepiks.. I dont believe in frock man becoming politicians.

Serving God at the alter is the highest job on earth because he is serving God the creator. Cant believe this days when man of the frock contest for the elections. It is like a managing director of a big company becoming the cleaner of that company. Gods work is the highest placed responsibility and work and they should stick their guns to it.

Examples set by previous pastor/priest cum politician shows they dont bring much change or serve their people, in fact most turn out to be the worse thiefs and liers.

Priest for the regional seat of Enga is like the joke of the New Year.. hehehehehehehehe....

Cool_Guy1

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Want Change
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 27 2006, 10:53:22am

If other provinces can do it why not Enga? Priests are citizens of any country and they they the rights to do so, just like any other people. Serving God at the altar does mean that they are God nor special. The creator himself became man inorder to serve humanity. Born in the manger, cold and naked, yet humble to serve humanity.

I would go for whoever the priest is. I will cast my single vote on him, loose or win.

Enough of Enga being runned by morally corrupt people.

Cool guy, put out your proofs on priest cum politician who have become the worst thiefs and liers. Don't mix priest with pastors of other dinominations. There is a distinction between pastors of other churchs and priests of catholic church.

Want Change

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Cool_Guy1
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 27 2006, 03:33:19pm

You want example of a priest? The late controversial priest Fr. Robert Lak.. He sure knows how to wag his tails on video tape.

I know priest are citizens of the country and they have every right to contest, but dont you think priest are more effective when they live with the people and serve them as priest, than to run around in Port Moresby with no touch with the people. Priest are much needed in the rural areas for spiritual touch than in parliament.. If priest decided to become priest to serve people, they are more effective serving people as priest than as politicians.

Mind you a few wolves in sheep skin have entered politics in the name of God have totally failed. I'd rather cast my vote on someone whom i feel has the brain and has a vision for the people. BE WARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEP SKIN. I would vote for a priest if i feel he is inside and outside a sheep.

Cool_Guy1

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Want change
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 27 2006, 04:51:06pm

Never judge a book by the look of the color, kaim. Late Robert Lak's accusation was never authenic with no proof. If you could recall back, the woman involved mentioned that it wasn't he. "He was framed" as being told if I could remember well.

I do agree with you that priests should be with the people and deal with spiritual affairs, but priests should also look at possibilities where services needs to be rendered to the people. Not all priests would fall into the category mentioned. If one can make a change like Bishop Cherubim of POM who was a politician in Wewak in the 80s, later resigned and went back to serve his people, why not, Engan priests.

Priests have used the pulpit to ask people turn away from evil ways. Priests have used the office they hold to challenge politicians living morally corrupt life to live a decent public life, and mind you priests were also being threaten to keep their mouth shut.

If there is an Engan son who is a priest, I rather vote for him. He may be painted by others in black, but mind you, he carries the heart of gold, wishing everything service people would need, just like other intending politicians.

We simply can't lock up priests telling them to mind their spiritual activities and let other people do their political job. That is not fair for someone to put priests in that category. They deserve to be in the race as others do, they may have a reason/vision or mission, what have you. I am sorry, but your judgment based on what had happened does not apply to Engan sons who carry the Word of God in their hearts, especially those who have spent 11 years for studies before they become what they are.

Want Change.

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Teargun - Pepandak
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 27 2006, 06:02:04pm

I have a lot of reservations on God's servants going into politics. People who have a higher calling in the office of the Lord should know that they have responded to a call to serve in the ministry of the word of God and should not get confused. If a priest is seeking a political post relinguishing their calling, I think they are very unstable persons and should not have gone to the serminary for 11 years. According to the word of God, the 12th tribe of Israel, the Levites were called by God to work in the temple of the Lord and who were the only people to carry the turbanacle took part in no other vacation but to serve the Lord full time. Where in the bible says a priest was a successful king. It only says priest and profeths adviced kings according to the what God spoke to them. The priest should be seeking God's direction for this country and delivering God's word for this country to the leaders of this country. That is where I think a priest's calling is, not parliment.

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Jackson Pamben
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 28 2006, 05:24:47am

Bikpela amamas to the person who created this forum. Interesting issues talked. Good work, ologeta kaiminingi and pimelenge.

To Londari, you are correct, in what you have heard. Two weeks month ago, I visited Enga and I have heard rumors about a certain priest intenting to go into politics and rumors had it. People living in the remote areas of Enga, especially in Kompiam, Ambum, Keman, Maramuni, Alukuli, Paela, Tsak and other places where services have not reached them have had enough as it was told and they were asking if this is real. Yu save, tok isave pulim tok igo kam na liklik samting i save kamap bikpela samting.

Yes, people have mentioned several names. One of them was Bishop Arnold of Wabag, which he refused. I also don't think he is interested, which he NEVER WILL BE. Another mentioned was Fr. Robert Laka from Ambum, but others said he has been prepared to go for the big post at Divine Word University. You may know, he is in Europe doing his PhD. Another mentioned was Fr. Paul Kanda from Wabag town and Fr. Mathias from Londor, who now works in POM. These are the most vocal priests Enga has, besides the others.

Names are flying here and there, no big suprise. It is a number game, we will see who wins, 1,2,3.

In my opinion I would consider either Fr. Robert Laka or Paul Kanda. When I asked around, I was told that Fr. Robert Laka is young and intelligent, highly educated. I was told that he has a Bacholors degree in Philosophy,two Masters Degree , one in Adminstration and another in Theology, taken in Rome and Philippines with a Summa Cum Laude. Now he is doing his PhD in Education Communication Techonology. If he runs, he would be the hot favorite. People said that he has the charisma to speak and will power to involve people to participate in several activities. He is seen to be a visionary. Fr. Paul Kanda is PNG's first SVD priest in the Catholic Church, the first PNG missionaries to New Zealand and South Africa. He has been in the priesthood for 20 years and resigned lately. He is a charismatic person, always active as it was said. He could also be another hot favorite.

Besides all that others have said about priests getting into politics, politics is anybody's job, provided that you could give a try with enough resources. I don't give a ----- if he is a man of God or not. So long as someone has a good intention. If he wants to run, then there must be something wrong and he wants to run. He could not run for the sake of running. Wouldn't he? It is hard to find a genuine person for not every person is genuine.

Jackson Pamben
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Propriest
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 28 2006, 08:50:18pm

Weather you are an Engan or not, so am I; whether there are enough educated and qualified engans or not, so ma I; but I would rather a priest becoming the next governor to bring back morality and religiousity that Enga once upon a time had and I will campaign for him.

Enough of evil rule for 10 years. Enough is enough!!!!

ProPriest

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Cool_Guy1
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 28 2006, 09:41:29am

I fully endorse what Teargun said. He is right, levites were set apart to serve in the temple. In the scripture it mentions a lot of a priestly order, people who are set apart to Serve God. Modern day priest are set apart to serve in the church.

The current trend of priest entering politics is because they dont really know their calling. If they know their calling as a priest, then being a priest is the highest caling any man on earth can get. These are people set aside for God, dedicated to him and annointed by God to serve in the temple. If priest dont come to realise their calling then maybe they are not being in touch with the one they serve at the alter. I would say those priest who enter politics have lost their calling, because they must have spent too much time miggling with the outside world and not spending enough time in prayer and taking care of their own spiritual life. Priest are not needed as politicians, there is enough qualified people in Enga that are able to serve the people. The Example about Cherubim Dambui was a good example. He told me his story, how he got into politics, it was because there wasnt any qualified person around at that time in Sepik, he seemed to be one of the qualified persons in ESP at that time, mind you, this is shortly after independence. Somare and the people of ESP literally approached the BIshop and put him up as their premier. Now, you cant compare 1975 with the current mode of edcuated Engans. There are far more qualified Engans today than in 1975. Bishop Cherubim, when he realised there were capable people who would lead the people of Sepik, he stepped aside and let those people lead.

I am a diehard Catholic and i happen to be from Enga. We Engans dont have many priest and the idea of priest contesting for elections in Enga regional seat sickens me. It does not make sense for priest to contest.

Cool_Guy1

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Observer
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Date Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2006, 07:00:54am

Propriest, your argument is shallow. There has been a couple of priest MPs of late in PNG and non of them have excelled at the political level. In fact a few have been surrounded with a lot of controvecies. I cannot see how a priest from Enga will be any different. We need a Born Again, Blood washed and Spirit filled Christian to be at the helm, not a priest.

Observer.

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Priests have set good examples
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Date Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2006, 02:50:45pm

Observer, your argument is also shallow. So far those so called "born again" leaders have fallen into the greed of missuse. Others ended up in prision. The priests who have contributed alot are noted: The late Fr. Robert Lak had been accussed for what was not true, later it was told that the woman (named) mentioned that it was framed. He was asked to take a ministerial post, he refused to be with his people. Sir Ignatius Kilage, a priest had done well, after being the governor general. The Late Lui Ambane had nothing left in his personal account. Mind you, the vehicle he used was the red suzuki given to him by the bishop when he was serving as priest, was the ONLY VEHICLE parked under his house when he passed away. The priests and other concern people revealed that he had no major deposits into his personal account, only his salary. It has been told by many that, he was in Simbu, rather then in POM. Checubim led well and went back to priesthood. He set a path that other leaders ought to follow

Give the priest who may be intending a chance and see what he can do. Ordinary people in the villages of Enga whose rights and services have been deprived for so long, need a change. They also have expressed sentiments as mentioned here, true enough, Enga has only few priest, but of the few that we have, if one can make a difference for the people of Enga, why not he. We learn from mistakes, at the same time, we can excel. I still believe that the so called priest who wants to contest might make a difference. HE MAY HAVE SMELLED SOMETHING STINGY and wants to clear up the mass if it might be God's will. God uses people to change people. Only God rights straight in crooked lines. I for one am for him and yes, I will campaign for him, no matter what educated fools would give agruments, based on personal reflections rather then ordinary people's opinion. Educated fools have neglected the people, only a shephard's heart would care for his flock, so as the priest of Enga. I speak the heart of the neglected Christians of Enga.

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Want Change
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Date Posted: Tue, Jan 02 2007, 04:36:39am

Well said kaim. Full support

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Keman (Keman for Kanda)
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 03 2007, 11:45:22am

Propriest and Want Change. I am for you. Fr. Paul Kanda is said to be gaining popularity for the coming election. We the bush people of keman are for him. Nanenap karapengen, maipenge.

Kemana

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Engan Lege
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Date Posted: Sat, Jan 06 2007, 04:01:20am

Fellow Engans,
Whether be a priest or not, is not the issue. What Enga needs now is a leader to provide that leadership to bring all Engans together and with Great Honesty in his/her Heart.
Engan Lege.

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Want Change (PRIEST POPULAR)
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Date Posted: Tue, Jan 09 2007, 02:22:06pm

Engan Critics!

Enga needs a leader to provide that leadership all Engans want. Enga has many good politicians, but they are not with the people. They are used to city lights and lived so long without KNOWING THEIR PEOPLE. When election time comes, they pop out from their hiding places to show themselves. People, especially like the priests have lived with the people and they know their social as well as spiritual needs. They know their people better then the so call candidates who comes in "sheep" clothes to lure people's hearts away and return back to their hiding places. Wake up intelligents of Enga. Why do we have to make the same mistake again and again? Why can't we all stand up for this man who LIVES WITH HIS PEOPLE, STAYS WITH HIS PEOPLE AND is willing to serve his people at the political arena? I agree that Enga has few priests and numerous people who can do better then he? But the question is: DO THEY REALLY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND EVERY SINGLE SOULS OF THE PEOPLE AS THE PRIESTS DO? The numerous hours spent at confessions, listening to people's soul seeking problems and giving them alternatives to live? Do these so called intending candidates have the desire to visit a single soul in the remotest areas during sick call? Not everyone would do that then a priest. Not everyone would be able to wake up at the middle of night at 3 to attend to a dying person for free as priests does.

Educated Engans, the so call critics of this forum. I bet you guys mobilize yourselves and stand up for this man who KNOWS the needs of his people and wants to give a try. If he doesn't of course, there will always be a time to get him out. If this is his opportunity, then why not he? Even the current governor was heard saying: "Akali yangi okara yakulu lo pimaiyapon, akali pasere mende karelyamo lelyeminon, ongak iki pimairolen". This shows that he is already psychologically beaten, though he may make a lot of noise trying to gain the popularity of his political party. Alas! He is going down this time, so as the party.

He had been paying journalists to get his story and features covered in the papers. He secretly gives money to certain group of people and gets it back in the form of "donation". He is fooling people through the papers. This man is cunning. Engan Intellects who truely care for Enga for a man who has the integrity of the heart FOR THE PEOPLE. At his moment I can think of none other then this priest. Put aside your critics, religous thoughts about responsibilities a priest play. For God's sake HE IS A SON OF ENGA and the citizen of the country. Enough of nepotism and "Action Governor Fan Club" that deteriorates the interest of Enga. I know this priest WILL volunteerly beg the engan intellects near and far to work collectively for enga. I bet, engan intellects. You won't go to him, HE WILL COME TO KNOCK AT YOUR DOOR asking for your much learned knowledge to be contribute to and for Enga. Why not we give him this opportunity.

Over to you, intellects!

Want Change

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Cool_Guy1
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Date Posted: Tue, Jan 09 2007, 03:36:06pm

Your quote, (want change) "DO THEY REALLY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND EVERY SINGLE SOULS OF THE PEOPLE AS THE PRIESTS DO?" - Correction - God knows the souls of people, because he is the Master of our souls. Priest are mere human beings with their own weaknesses and frailties, as such i doubt your comment.

Every citizen of PNG is given the freedom by the constitution to contest the national elections and a priest is no exception. An Enga son (a priest) can rise up to the challenge to contest the national elections, there is no doubt about that.

The standard of leadership the good book (Holy Bible) sets is of a "Servant Leadership". Jesus washed the feet of Peter, to show him that, to be a leader, you have to serve others. I agree that the priest are with the people. Take the church away from the people and the people have nothing. Most of the basic services like; aid-post, school, vocational centres, universities, roads etc are provided by the church. Churches in PNG are taking the leading role in bringing services to our local people. It is the churches that are close to the people than the politicians, as such, why should you remove a man of the frock from his people and isolate him in Port Moresby, where the bottleneck becomes an ordeal of frustration. Many have had great visions to bring development to the people, but to no avail because, once they get in, they find out the reality. It seems so easy from the outside, but once you are in the playing field you find yourself getting lost in the jungles of corruption and whom-you-know mentality.

Furthermore your point about wolf in sheep skin should apply to all, even man of the frock. Jesus was the only man that had no sin. He was perfect man and God. Because someone is a man of the frock does not justify holiness, faithfulness, honesty etc. All man have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. I would therefore, refute your claim about others contesting might come as wolf in sheep skin. This statement should cover all, even the man of the frock. It is the people of Enga who would be the judge of the day. The people are the ones who would have the opportunity to remove the sheep skin and find out the truth about a person.

I still stand by my view, that priest should be priest, not getting their frocks wriggled in politics.

Cool_Guy1

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