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Subject: Re: Oh. Wow. Author: Bison=Satan [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 08:55:05 03/08/05 Tue In reply to: Murray 's message, "Oh. Wow." on 08:17:39 03/08/05 Tue Murray is right, and all you people that disagree just hate basketball and goodness. All OBU cares about is winning and worshipping the devil. I hear they paid off the SAC so they could get the tournament because they knew they were going to be down this season and would need to win it. I bet OBU pays off the officials in OC's tourney game too so Hays will get another first round loss. Doug Tolin hates babies and kittens. OBU students worship a golden bison that they spatter with blood twice a year. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Oh. Wow. Author: SOD [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:13:24 03/08/05 Tue Murr, The only whining coming from OBU when the tourney was in Lubbock was that we had to waste our time going to Lubbock because we already clinched KC. No one wants to drive 8 hours to play a couple of meaningless games, drink that nasty water and play in an empty gym. Yeah, OBU probably wouldn't have made it if they didn't host the SAC, but everyone cheered LCU on when they did the same thing. They were a 'cinderella' team. You just wanted to be able to say OBU failed on returning to KC. Why is everything so negative with you Murr? Maybe because there is a legit chance that after this horrible year Obaptist has had they might still go farther in KC than Dan the Man. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: You all are off the reservation Author: Murray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:24:53 03/08/05 Tue I don't have a problem with OBU making the tournament. It says a lot that in a year in which OBU fans say the league is down, that five teams probably are going to go to KC. I'd love to see all five make the quarters. You see, I'm a true SAC fan, not just a fan of my alma mater. Also, for the record, I think Doug Tolin is a great coach. Never have thought anything less. Some of you might recall I picked him as the All-City coach of the year when he was at Norman. My argument, as always, is based on principle. Sixth seeds shouldn't host higher seeds in conference tournament games. Period. LCU shouldn't have, OCU shouldn't have, OBU shouldn't have. It basically renders the regular season meaningless. If that's what you want, fine, keep it the way it is. But if you believe in fairness, then you should agree with me. (Psst. If you do agree, it doesn't mean OBU doesn't get to go to KC.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You all are off the reservation Author: SAC Fan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:38:23 03/08/05 Tue "It just goes to show that at OBU, it's all about winning. It's not about fairness for anybody else. Just as long as the Bison win, baby." "I don't have a problem with OBU..." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Congrats Murr Author: SOD [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:41:35 03/08/05 Tue That is the first logically written, nonthreatening and positive post I have seen on this board from you in some time. I do have a couple thoughts for you to consider, if you have time to humor a far less intelligent visitor to this board. I don't care what you ever wrote about DT. I don't use your personal career as a gage for what you say on this board. You could be the food critic at the Edmond Sun for all I care. Your posts consistently show a disgust for the green and gold. That is great, but just come clean. I am not nearly as big an OBU fan as you like to assume, though I have followed them since I could walk. I am happy to see them in the tournament, but you will never catch me predicting a championship for them. You also will never see me post about how great they are. (I may say they are better than your team, but that is just because I get enjoyment out of cheering against you) The only personal bias from my Obaptist days you'll see from me is that I think we should have won a title, so we could shut John Parrish up about the gods of '66. I agree with you that the final two rounds should be played on a neutral court. Money is an issue though and I think it will be sometime before the SAC can afford to do that. It's not the District 9 with 1 bid anymore. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You all are off the reservation Author: ABeamofPureEnergy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:50:23 03/08/05 Tue Regular season meaningless? That is absurd! The regular season champion gets an automatic bid. Furthermore, if the conference tournament is not at your home floor, it is more important to put yourself in a position to get in before the tournament. Is it fair? No. But was it fair when OU had to play Syracuse in New York in the regional finals in 2003? What about when UCLA has to play Tulsa in Oklahoma City in the first round of the NCAA tournament in 1994? These things happen. Take care of business in the regular season when everything is fair and you still go to the national tournament. If you put yourself in the position where you have to win the conference tournament, you have no one to blame but yourself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You all are off the reservation Author: Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:48:51 03/08/05 Tue What does it mean, this 'off the reservation' thing? Sounds slimey to me. But to the point. The regular season is what it is. We award a runner-up in the tournament because we hope that the No. 2 and 3 teams have already locked up a place in KC or Jackson because of how they did in the regular season. Murples, we're running this show and we've gotten more teams in there than anyone else since we've gone to our format. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, whoop de do! Author: Murray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:29:49 03/08/05 Tue A few clarifications and comments here: SOD: I do not have a "disgust for the green and gold." What I do have is a dislike of the usually pompous attitude displayed by most of the OBU-affiliated posters on this board. It seems like most of them believe the SAC basketball world begins and ends with OBU. It doesn't. OBU has been successful in recent years. Great. So has OCU, USAO, SNU, even OC and LCU. All of those teams also have had crummy years in the past -- even OBU. Also, as far as the money issue, it wouldn't cost any more for one of the league schools that doesn't have a dog in the semifinal hunt (this year, SNU for example) to host the semis and final. There's no need to rent a facility unless you absolutely want to. To this strange "Pure Energy" person: Yes, the regular season is meaningless for the third-seeded team that has to play on the home court of the sixth-seeded team. The regular season should have meaning for everyone, not just the champion. To OC '91: Can't say I'm wild about your theory about getting rid of conference tournaments, but I can understand where you're coming from. I've always thought conference tournaments somewhat reduce the importance of the regular season. But they can also be great theatre, given the right circumstances, which do not involve lower seeds hosting higher seeds with something important like a national-tournament berth on the line. To Ray: The ends don't justify the means as far as getting teams into the tournament. If they earn it during the regular season, great. But don't give any team that didn't earn it a special advantage by hosting every conference tournament game. Bottom line, if the SAC used a truly fair and neutral system, you'd be able to spend a lot more time these days following baseball and softball, because your basketball team likely wouldn't have gotten past the first round at John Brown. The same could be said for LCU in '00 and OCU in '03. It sounds like more people agree with me in theory. Let's hope the SAC comes to its senses and gets it right in future years. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Well, whoop de do! Author: Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:13:53 03/08/05 Tue Appleseed, The SAC has it right. That's the thing about you. If it's not how you'd do it, it is wrong. And since you didn't go to OBU, OBU supporters are the pompous ones. You're a little too full of yourself Murray. Do you give yourself cramps? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ray, you're close to the edge again Author: Murray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:02:00 03/09/05 Wed No, the SAC is not doing it right. It sounds like the majority of people agree with me -- neutral courts for the most important games of the season, or give the advantage to the higher-seeded team. I can't figure out why that's so hard for you to understand. And my dislike of pompous fans extends to more than just OBU. I got on OCU fans back in the day when they were a bit too big for their britches. OC fans, too. If you pay attention, I tell Nathan to pipe down quite a bit. I'm equal opportunity. Everyone should be more like SNU fans. Now, SNU's women are far and away the most successful program in SAC history -- 12 straight Final Fours, 7 national titles -- and yet you never see SNU fans overzealously boasting about how they're going to continually dominate. They just win with class and don't brag about it. That's an example we all could heed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: where ARE the snu fans here? Author: Dad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:16:36 03/09/05 Wed ...or do they only care about mens' hoops? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: where ARE the snu fans here? Author: SOJ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:02:06 03/09/05 Wed Monte shows up now and again. I don't know about any others. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Well, whoop de do! Author: ABeamofPureEnergy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:34:21 03/09/05 Wed The regular season is what got John Brown into the national tournament. Their season isn’t over. In fact, the top four finishers of the regular season made it to the tournament. Furthermore, I would argue that the top 4 regular season finishers will go to the national tournament just about every year. If the ultimate goal of every team was solely to win the conference tournament, it would be different. But its not. The goal is to win the national championship. And to do that, the goal of the regular season is to make the national tournament. To call the regular season meaningless is just plain wrong. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You all are off the reservation Author: Wes [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:35:15 03/09/05 Wed One reason you don't hear overzealous boasting from SNU fans is because they may have lost interest. I'm sure the environment is better for an OCU-SNU women's game, but I haven't exactly seen SNU fans following the women's team in droves. When OC went to the Sawyer Center this year, there were maybe 100-200 SNU fans at the women's game - to watch the 2-time defending national champs! Unbelievable. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]