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Subject: National Pageant Questions Author: Kimberly [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 13:09:44 01/14/04 Wed First of all, I'd like to say that this is really a wonderful handbook! My daughter is 4 years old and we just started her in some local pageants, and some of your tips have been very helpful! She has done 11 local pageants so far and has placed fairly well in all of them. Even if she didn't win queen every time, her modeling and personality were very good onstage. For that reason I've been thinking about taking her to compete on the state and national level. It won't happen right away, we need to prepare more and purchase some national outfits, but I came to this site seeking advice for when we do decide to move up a level. There are many things I've been wondering about some of these national pageants, and I'd appreciate any help that you would like to offer. First of all, we've never attended a national pageant to watch but I've seen videos and pictures of some of the girls who participate. They have these huge hairstyles loaded with cans of hairspray and extensions. My daughter wears her hair about the same way for some of these locals, but she only wears one hairstyle for the entire pageant. When I see these photos and videos I notice that some of the girls have different hairstyles for every competiton, beauty, sportswear, and westernwear etc. I've looked at national pageant schedules and in some of these, the entire competition for a certain age group takes place within a 5 hour period. So my question is, how in the world do these girls have time to get their hair and make-up done and compete, then take out the hairstyle which has been basically glued to their heads, and change it over and over again for every competition and still make it look good all within a 5 hour period? It must be messed up after they pull out all of those extensions since there is so much hairspray and glue, so how do they get it out and get it to look good again all within a short period of time? I'm sorry if I seem clueless, I've just been wondering the trick to all of this. Also, my mother is able to make my daughter’s westernwear and sportswear, but we choose to have the dresses professionally made. I’ve just been wondering where people get the hats and the boots for the westernwear? Does someone make them or do they buy and customize them? I’m not sure we’re able to actually make a pair of boots lol, so I’d like to know where they get these items. Ok, I won’t make this any longer lol. I’d appreciate any help from anyone who would like to offer it. The sooner these questions are answered then the sooner my daughter will be able to move up a level and she really can’t wait! Thank you all very much! ~Kimberly [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: National Pageant Questions Author: PM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:53:04 01/15/04 Thu Believe it or not, a professional H/M can do multiple hair style changes on many girls and still have them out on time! They do not take out extensions between changes, though. If a child uses extensions and wants two ponytails, then the extensions are put on in a way that would allow the back of the hair to be parted. (extensions on each side of the part) Also, many of the girls wear falls for beauty, and hats for sw and westernwear so that covers up a lot. The fact that the H/M can do multiple style changes quickly and they still look great is, unfortunately, why H/M are so popular and expensive. Try paying a good one at a national and then watching very carefully and practice later at home. As to boots and hats, they are purchased "normally" and then covered with superstretch to match the outfit. It is really not too hard to do - you just cut large pieces, glue on and cover seams with stones and decorations.

[> [> Subject: Re: National Pageant Questions Author: Kimberly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:43:39 01/16/04 Fri Thank you so much for your help! Now my problem with the westernwear has been solved, we know we can make her outfits now without having to worry about where to get fancy boots and a hat. Do you have any idea where I could purchase a regular pair of boots and a hat for my daughter? Right now that's my problem with understanding some of these details. I understand exactly what it is that I need, I just don't quite know how to get it yet lol. Your information about the hairstyles was very helpful. We'll probably end up hiring someone for most of her national pageants, but I just needed to know how it was done so that I can get what she needs for her hair. So if I'm correct, I bring the extensions to the pageant and give them to the H/M artist who will style her hair? Can any of the extensions be reused for another pageant(since they can get expensive)? Do you have any idea of a good site/store that I'd be able to buy the appropriate falls/extensions for pageants? Also, during your post you noted that the hats and falls can cover some of the areas that got "messed-up" from taking previous styles out. So if my daughter competed in sportswear first and wore her hair up, then after that competition we'd just take her hair down and cover it with a fall to cover the messed-up areas so she can compete in beauty? Approximately how much time will we have between competitions to make these switches? As you can see, we've got a long way to go! But like I said, I won't be taking her to that level for awhile and I need all the time I can get to prepare her(and me!). I appreciate your help with these questions, and anything else you have to offer would be great! ~Kimberly

[> [> [> Subject: Re: National Pageant Questions Author: PM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:52:09 01/25/04 Sun I got my daughter's hat and boots from a westernwear store - just make sure she can model in them. As to extensions... there are places that sell falls (Farrah's, Sydneys, etc.) that I see on the voy boards. They may sell extensions, too. We bought my daughter's extensions (the one time that she wore them) at an asian store that sells lots of human hair. There is one of these in practically every town. Go on on one of the bigger boards and ask where people get them. You need to make sure and wash it first or it won't hold curl. Then many use the hair glue that you buy there to glue one strip to another to make it double thick. You part your child's hair across the back. You then use the extension glue to glue them onto your child's scalp making rows down the back that are a few inches apart. You will remove the extensions after the pageant by soaking them with the extension glue remover stuff or just saturate her hair in conditioner and let her lay in a tub of water or even just let her go swimming. You must have the extensions in before you go to the H/M though. I have even seen kids with them in the night before because of early H/M times. You can wash them and use them again. Like I said, my daughter only used them once - she has really thick hair and didn't need them so I am not an expert on them. I do know that it seems like everyone is using falls these days. You take it rolled to the H/M the night before. As to hairstyle changes, beauty is always the first event because the hair gets messed up after that. It is usually beauty, swimwear and then proam events.

[> Subject: Re: National Pageant Questions Author: ? [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:55:10 07/09/04 Fri Last year when we did our first big national pageant, we hired a big name hair and make up person. He did about 20 girls in one weekend, we all had schedules on when to be there, he changed their hair and touched up their make up for each event. These people that you can hire are pros and they can do a hair style in seconds. It also took all the stress off me, after the first time I hired a h/m person, I refused to ever do a pageant again where they did not have them available. They do cost but they are well worth it.

[> Subject: Re: National Pageant Questions Author: Nicole [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:02:41 10/28/04 Thu My advice would be to use a hair fall. My daughter has long,thick blond hair that's beautiful but a handful to roll and fix.We used a H/M pro that did a wonderful job on her that everyone thought she had a fall.She did my dd h/m 3 dif times and it looked great. But a hair fall would be so much easier and faster and better for the hair.All you would have to do is fix it before the pageant(your local salon)or you can have them fix it and put it in.If you can use the fall watch the person doing it and later you can do it yourself and just hire someone to do her makeup.But,if your like me, having someone else do it puts the pressure of you and your able to enjoy it more.