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Subject: Trinity! Author: Zapicles [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 05:15:10 12/12/03 Fri Blessing in our Lord Jesus Christ! First off, there is NO Trinity! No where in the bible does it say the "Trinity" "Triune" 3 in 1 or 1 in 3. This is a man made doctrine brought about from the "Roman Empire" in which it took them over 300 yrs after the death of Christ and the apostles to come up with the 1st) Apostles Creed 2nd)Arianism Creed, and finally hashed out to the 3rd)Nicene creed. If you followed the Roman Empire and studied on their paganistic relgions, you would see how they have twisted the Jewish faith One Lord. One God. Duet 6:4 into a mutiplicity of personalities of God and persons! Jesus was a man, human, created by the father, a vessel in which the Father dwelt in. Mans sin was so terrible that it warrented death, and the Father gave himself as the sacrafice. How does one separate The Voice of the Father from the Father? How does ones voice become a different person? Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. We beheld the "Glory" of the Father, not another person. The trinity is a man made doctrine, of someone whom lived in a culture of many gods derived some mumble jumble about the ONE true Lord. Took what was said about the ONE and made it into three for the understanding of their beliefs. Confusing many, and leading a multitude astray! The off shoots of the Roman Catholic church, in which some didn't believe in the way they (Romans) worshiped were being led by the blind, and deciet upon deciet. Go back to the original faith of the Jews. The Lord has changed not. Nor will change. ---would like to continue but need to run so will continue later---- In Christ's Love Doug [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Trinity! Author: Robert Sutherland [Edit] Date Posted: 09:42:05 05/23/04 Sun You might also be interested in scholarly understandings of Trinity. I would note how Richard of St.Victor explained Trinity in terms of love. 1. As a perfect being, God is all good. His goodness includes all love. 2. Love is inherently relational. 3. The meaningful relationships of love are I-self, I-thou, I-them. 4. The I-self relationship requires one person (self-love); the I-thou relationship, two persons (mutual love) and the I-them relationship, three persons (communal love). 5. Since God is the fullness of love, there must exist three persons in the Godhead. 6. Since God is a necessary being, a fourth person in the Godhead is not necessary for the fullness of love. Ockham's razor indicates you cannot multiply entities beyond necessity. For Richard of St.Victor, three persons in one being God are necessary to understand how and why God is love; four are not. In God, all knowledge and all love is instanteous, involving no time at all. You might profitably benefit from looking at Richard Swinburne's "The Christian God" (Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994) Robert Sutherland http://www.bookofjob.org [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Trinity! Author: Matthew [Edit] Date Posted: 15:50:50 12/10/05 Sat I respect your veiws on the Trinity. Triune nature of Yahweh Elohim. Even though the word Trinity or Triune does not appear in scripture does not mean that it does not exist. The trinity is a Jewish concept I could give you quotes from ancient jewish sages, like Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, who lived in the first century and wrote the Zohar. As regards to the Shema. Deverim 6:4 Sh'ma Yisrael, Yahweh Elohim Yahweh 'echad. Duetonomy 6:4 Hear oh Israel, The LORD your God is one Lord. The word for one is 'echad. not Yachid. 'echad is a composite oneness. It is the same word that is used when Elohim said that man and wife shall become one flesh (Basar 'echad). and please read Genesis 1:26. If God is not Triune, tell me who He is talking to in this passege. Peace in Yeshua's name. Amen [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Trinity! Author: Theresa [Edit] Date Posted: 22:49:34 11/12/04 Fri thanks for sharing your beliefs, but to be honest, people who believe like you do not share the love of Christ, but rather spend all their effort trying to convince ppl of this pet doctrine. Rather vehemently, i might add. If you would stop trying to force everyone to accept this pet doctrine and share the love of God with ppl, you would be doing the mission Christ called us to. thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Trinity! Author: jaywill [Edit] Date Posted: 21:54:41 08/14/05 Sun I very much like the way this forum appears. I don't mind talking about the Triune God. But it seems that there is not too much activity on the subject. I believe in the three - oneness of God. I see God's mysterious nature is bound up in what God's purpose is. The Trinity is as the Trinity does. That is to dispense God into man by "unfolding" Himself from the source, through the course, by means of the flow. The Father is the Source of life. The Son is the course of life. And the Holy Spirit is the flow, the impartation of life into man. Anyone left here on the subject? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Trinity! Author: Theresa [Edit] Date Posted: 19:01:18 03/12/06 Sun John 10:27-30 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 10:27-30 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-30 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:27-30 30 I and my Father are one. John 30 says it very clearly that Jesus and His Father are one. Can't be more clear. And if I have time, I will find the Holy Spirit right there too. I really don't care what you believe. I am not pushing anything at you. I am merely not letting you push me. I will believe just as I wish the same as you do and I am just as good as you and WOW if you want to push some some more, "fill your boots". [ Post a Reply to This Message ]