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Subject: Re: Trinity! Author: Robert Sutherland [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:42:05 05/23/04 Sun In reply to: Zapicles 's message, "Trinity!" on 05:15:10 12/12/03 Fri You might also be interested in scholarly understandings of Trinity. I would note how Richard of St.Victor explained Trinity in terms of love. 1. As a perfect being, God is all good. His goodness includes all love. 2. Love is inherently relational. 3. The meaningful relationships of love are I-self, I-thou, I-them. 4. The I-self relationship requires one person (self-love); the I-thou relationship, two persons (mutual love) and the I-them relationship, three persons (communal love). 5. Since God is the fullness of love, there must exist three persons in the Godhead. 6. Since God is a necessary being, a fourth person in the Godhead is not necessary for the fullness of love. Ockham's razor indicates you cannot multiply entities beyond necessity. For Richard of St.Victor, three persons in one being God are necessary to understand how and why God is love; four are not. In God, all knowledge and all love is instanteous, involving no time at all. You might profitably benefit from looking at Richard Swinburne's "The Christian God" (Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994) Robert Sutherland http://www.bookofjob.org [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Trinity! Author: Matthew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:50:50 12/10/05 Sat I respect your veiws on the Trinity. Triune nature of Yahweh Elohim. Even though the word Trinity or Triune does not appear in scripture does not mean that it does not exist. The trinity is a Jewish concept I could give you quotes from ancient jewish sages, like Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, who lived in the first century and wrote the Zohar. As regards to the Shema. Deverim 6:4 Sh'ma Yisrael, Yahweh Elohim Yahweh 'echad. Duetonomy 6:4 Hear oh Israel, The LORD your God is one Lord. The word for one is 'echad. not Yachid. 'echad is a composite oneness. It is the same word that is used when Elohim said that man and wife shall become one flesh (Basar 'echad). and please read Genesis 1:26. If God is not Triune, tell me who He is talking to in this passege. Peace in Yeshua's name. Amen [ Post a Reply to This Message ]