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Subject: Another Paul Question


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No name
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Date Posted: 22:56:01 08/31/02 Sat
Does anyone feel safer with Paul here?
Subject: George


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Date Posted: 22:52:19 08/31/02 Sat
Does anyone know what George plans to do about the thirty or so odd people in this building that hate his guts?
Subject: Paul


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Date Posted: 22:46:40 08/31/02 Sat
Does anyone know how long will Paul be sticking around?
Subject: What the fuck?


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Date Posted: 22:45:20 08/31/02 Sat
I'm getting a lot of let's do this and that. I'm supportive and all but we need to be on the same page. Let's meet first on Wed. at 8 and take it from there.
Subject: The roof


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Date Posted: 22:41:56 08/31/02 Sat
If George is so cheap that he refuses to effectively fence the roof, then we should all get the hell out of here and fast. Anyone that pathetic is not someone we want to place any faith in. I don't care if these squatters/robbers/dumb kids smoke weed, drink cheap liquor, and eat chicken on their own property, but I'll be damned if they are going to do it above me while I am sleeping. And I'll be damned further if I'm going to let my landlord excuse evidence of a crowbar being used for criminal purposes (however thwarted) by blaming it on the wind.

Last week I kept hearing 'strange bumps in the night' and they all originated from the roof. I tried to tell myself to stay calm and forget about it and that the problem with the roof surely couldn't be this bad, but not now. It wasn't the damn wind either.

Fuck George. We're all very intelligent people. Fuck him for feeding us all of these stupid excuses and ridiculous lines.

Let's call the Fire Department. George will learn it is far more wise to take care of matters than it is to be called out by his own tenants and forced to pay fines for whatever isn't up to code.
Subject: Chicken Eating Wind??


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Date Posted: 22:06:34 08/31/02 Sat
Are you guys sure its chicken bones and not pigeon bones? I always see pigeon feathers evry morning when I walk out the building. Maybe these intruders shoot down the pigeons and barbeque it afterwards. We got some sick "poultry" eating wind up there. In any event. Does anyone know if the tenants that moved out have to pay any penalty or anything. if not I would rather move back to my parents home ASAP.
[> Subject: Re: Chicken Eating Wind??


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Date Posted: 22:15:24 08/31/02 Sat
They will not be getting their deposit back (for starters) and breaking the lease will appear on their credit report and the amount owed for the remainder of the lease.
[> [> Subject: Re: Chicken Eating Wind??


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Date Posted: 22:30:00 08/31/02 Sat
are you telling us that this is normally what happens when you break a lease, or this is for a fact what the people who moved out knew that they were doing. George has said to others, 'let me know when you're moving. i will post the apartment & when it rents, you can move out and get your money back.' that's what i've heard anyway.
Subject: Neighborhood Watch


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Frances
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Date Posted: 22:28:57 08/31/02 Sat
Sorry to copying/pasting so much but just some ideas to make this better. :)

Joining or Organizing a Block Association

As you realize the effectiveness of working together in a tenants' association, consider the same group effort on a block-wide level to resolve common issues affecting your block. Security problems that your building is experiencing may be very similar to those of your neighbors. A block-wide "Neighborhood Watch" campaign, whereby residents are trained by the police to effectively monitor, identify and report criminal activities, can substantially deter and reduce crime and the fear of crime on your block.
Subject: To file complaints....


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Frances
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Date Posted: 22:25:40 08/31/02 Sat
Official complaints can be made with

CENTRAL COMPLAINTS: 960-4800
24 hours per day, 7 days per week
(operated by Office of Code Enforcement,
NYC Dept. of Housing, Preservation and Development)

I say we all start calling...I'm starting tonight. Let me know what you think.
Subject: Tenants Association


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Frances
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Date Posted: 22:23:42 08/31/02 Sat
Check out this website

http://www.tenant.net/Organize/
Subject: Red/Burgandy Curtains


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Ryan and Kaitlin #46
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Date Posted: 21:30:54 08/31/02 Sat
Just to bring up something completely different then chicken eating winds we would like to mention the fact that we have 8 panels/curtains than are 84' in length that fit these monsterous windows for this building. We bought them for around $100.00. We would like to sell these for around $50 or so. We decided to go with another color so these are only a few weeks old and in perfect condition. So if anyone wants to block out the view of the elevated train, give us a yell. ryanservant@yahoo.com 508-265-0516 or just slip an offer under our door and we will deliver all eight to you for no extra charge!!! These also may help to block that awefull wind that is being brought up so frequently.
Subject: NONE


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Date Posted: 20:58:04 08/31/02 Sat
George has answered the phone everytime I have called. This does not mean anything has been acomplished. I usually get a line of bullshit like "the wind did it" or "it's tenants breaking in" or "just 3 more weeks" or something else spoken in heavy accent that I have no clue what it means. Maybe the guy that says George is always strait forward with and takes care of all of his problems needs to call him for us. To anyone who doubts things posted on this forum, I would like say: Yes, some people have said things that may be a little overboard. They are also very scared. ALL ideas are being posted on this site. This does not mean we are going to act irrational about handling problems here. I am very proactive in the problems with the building. My main concern is making the building safe to live in. It is not trying some frivalous law suit to get something for nothing. I'm not sure if I'm staying here or not yet but I will fight for safe living conditions until I leave, prematurly or not. If I can't feel safe INSIDE my building let alone outside,I will refuse to live hear. Furthermore,I invite anyone to come stay the night in my apartment so they can hear people on the roof above me and they can go check it out themselves. In fact, George can come stay with me and next time the wind comes and breaks into the building he can ask it to please keep it down because I am trying to sleep. Also the wind needs to quit leaving chicken bones on the roof there is a garbage can on the corner of Broadway and Lawton.
[> Subject: Re: NONE


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Date Posted: 21:06:46 08/31/02 Sat
LOL. Please don't tell me they've starting leaving chicken bones on the roof too? This makes me feel especially violated. What is up with all the fucking chicken bones around this place?

If you ever get George asking the wind to keep it down because he's trying to sleep, please record it on video or audio. That shit is priceless!

I agree. Maybe the one guy that George is straight with should talk to him for the rest of us. He should probably let George know that the goddamn wind is getting out of hand and needs to be set straight. George should at least give the wind a good talking to.
Subject: add my email address to the list


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j kosinski
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Date Posted: 20:54:58 08/31/02 Sat
john@nerve.com
Subject: MIA or no?


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Date Posted: 18:59:15 08/31/02 Sat
Has anyone even seen or talked to George lately?
Has he been answering his phone?
What happened with the party?
-- Maybe he should inform the rest of the building that there is no party. I doubt that everyone looks at this message board.
Is he hiding or what? I thought he was supposed to be spending more time here now that various vacations to Greece are now over.
As far as I can tell, he's been MIA. Is it possible that I've just not seen him?
[> Subject: Re: MIA or no?


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Date Posted: 19:31:53 08/31/02 Sat
Someone spoke with him tonight about the door that the cops checked out this evening. They were sure it was pried open (probably with a crowbar) and said that it was not up to fire code for a few reasons. Unfortuantely we could not file a police report because no one broke into our apartments. George could because he is the owner of the building , but he said (when called by another tenant) that the wind bent the door "a long time ago." First of all that is a lie, because it wasn't bent like that a week ago and the wind couldn't bend it (at least not any wind we've had recently). Second of all, if it happened a long time ago why hasn't it been fixed? He also said that the people we hear on the roof at 2:00AM and 3:00AM are tenants of the building. I'm not sure how he knows that. We are not happy about this because this door leads into a stairway right next to our apartment and people can get into the building through it if they are on the roof (which they can get to with the ladders they have on the side of the building).
[> [> Subject: Re: MIA or no?


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Date Posted: 19:46:59 08/31/02 Sat
Tenants beware! Strong, summer winds (figure that one out) have been bending doors and wreaking havoc on the roof.

Jesus, and I've been worried about muggers on bikes, muggers with a gun, muggers on foot, ladders that let others on our roof. If I had talked to George weeks ago and had he answered me, I would have known that our biggest opponent is the wind.

I'll be keeping my eye out for these damnable door-bending winds and I suggest that the rest of you do the same.

I wonder what the cops will say next time shitheads are on our roof and we tell them that our landlord says it is the wind. I'd like to see that class action suit: 15 lawton v. the wind. We're bound to win that one.

How does he manage to keep a straight face when he spews all of this garbage? I'd love to know.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: MIA or no?


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Date Posted: 19:57:35 08/31/02 Sat
Did George by chance mention anything about bringing that door back to code? Will that be taken care of in three weeks, like everything else?
Subject: Umm


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Date Posted: 18:14:24 08/31/02 Sat
Do any of you guys know why there was an ambulance outside our building before? I'm hoping that no one got hurt.
[> Subject: Re: Umm


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Date Posted: 18:16:16 08/31/02 Sat
The cops that were here checking out the situation on the roof ran over there when they were leaving. There was a woman that looked to be passed out (she was moving so she was not dead). It did not look like she was a victim of any violence, but an ambulance did come and take her. She did not live here and the police filled out some kind of report.
[> Subject: Re: Umm


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Jared
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Date Posted: 18:41:42 08/31/02 Sat
RE: the woman...I was actually the first one "on the scene". The lady fell down and started seizing. My guess is that she had epilepsy. The police arrived soon after and an ambulance was called. She seemed to be ok.
Subject: cameras


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Date Posted: 16:41:12 08/31/02 Sat
i do not understand... do you want cameras or not? whats up with all this big brother talk?
[> Subject: Re: cameras


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Date Posted: 16:44:33 08/31/02 Sat
We want cameras outside, not inside. I don't know if I speak for everyone, but that is how I feel. I would also like someone to be watching these cameras and not just have them be used after the fact. They also need to be installed in a way that will actually be able to view what is going on. At this point you can see people walking down Lawton from Broadway, but it doesn't have a good shot of the front door and there is nothing facing the other way. The cameras could also very easily be knocked down with a bat, spray painted or stolen altogether. We could install cameras on the roof and have a better shot, but they would probably be taken down by the people breaking and entering through the roof.
[> Subject: Re: cameras


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Date Posted: 18:22:36 08/31/02 Sat
you do not need any better example of big brother behavior beyond the damn bulletin board. our landlord is f*&king crazy.
Subject: Jared, you're my hero!


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Date Posted: 17:59:33 08/31/02 Sat
I couldn't agree more. Yes, shit happens. WELCOME TO NEW YORK CITY! This city is tough. I've lived in the Upper West Side, Chelsea, Hoboken and now here and crime happens everywhere. But trust me when I say--common sense and gut instinct come a long way!!!

Dave, the OZ face works. Another solution for some might be if you're getting off the train in Myrtle, take the #40 bus to our corner so you won't have to walk that much alone and have someone meet you on the corner of Broadway.

John, I'm sorry Jenny comes home so late. It sucks. Does she take the train at that time?

I think the bldg is definitely out of safety compliance in a lot of ways. But I had to spend a lot of money moving here so I'm not ready to throw in the towel. I'm fighting!!!

If we unite, nothing can stop us.

So talking about solutions, what are some of the things (paperwork filings) we need to do according to the cops?
Subject: Question...


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J Kosinski
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Date Posted: 16:57:23 08/31/02 Sat
Has anyone filed an actual report yet with the police? And if so, how many reports have been filed?
Subject: Meeting


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Date Posted: 16:41:24 08/31/02 Sat
The meeting is going to be on Wednesday the 4th at 8:00. There have been several offers of apartments to hold the meeting in, but we need to decide for sure. Once we have decided I will send an email to everyone (we have 28 email addresses at this point). Thanks.
[> Subject: Re: Meeting


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Jared
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Date Posted: 16:51:49 08/31/02 Sat
Please add my email to your list..jaredbrubakernyc@hotmail.com. Thanks
Subject: Last night


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J Kosinski
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Date Posted: 15:46:09 08/31/02 Sat
Last night i was up late waiting for jenny to get home from work. this was about 230 - 330 am, Friday night. as i was sitting on the second floor by the elevator looking out the window, i saw some kids riding their bikes around the block over and over. i think there were at least 2 of them, sort of patrolling the block around and around over and over. other than that nothing unusual.

i dont think i will be able to make it to the meeting. last i heard, it was sunday night. i think that i will be out of town, though i would like to go. jenny may or may not be with me, so it is possible that she might be able to go. unless i am wrong, and the meeting is another time or there is no meeting, im not 100% clear on that.
Subject: glad to hear...


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John Kosinski
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Date Posted: 15:33:27 08/31/02 Sat
Im glad to hear that people are standing up for each other. The problem i think will quickly become insignificant if we just agree to help each other out. As ive said before, i am willing to walk with you, look out for you, wait at the door, go up on the roof, etc., if i am available. 646-303-4235.
Subject: roof top intruders


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Kyle #44
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Date Posted: 15:05:19 08/31/02 Sat
If ANYONE hears people on the roof late at night. DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME. EVEN IF IT IS 3:00 IN THE MORNING. I DON'T CARE. I will check it out (safely) first then make my decision to call the police. I don't think confrontation is a good idea unless it is unavoidable. Dave in apt #40 wrote a great post, and it says if we have police reports of people breaking in the building our rights can be increased by more options supplied by law. This is OUR building. I refuse to be scared INSIDE my building. George IS responcible by law for making the inside of the building safe. Kyle or Natalie 718-919-9471
Subject: The party has been rescheduled


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Date Posted: 12:44:43 08/31/02 Sat
The party was apparently moved to the 15th, if anyone cares...
[> Subject: Re: The party has been rescheduled


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Date Posted: 14:31:30 08/31/02 Sat
Was there an official statement or explanation regarding this postponement?
Subject: Bulletin Board. What is the deal?


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Date Posted: 14:28:42 08/31/02 Sat
I do not quite understand what is going on with the bulletin board. Invitation mysteriously disappears. Tacks disappear. If it is only allowed to be used by George, why don't we just take it down? It isn't his anyway.

In the big scheme of things, it should be such a small issue. Admittedly, however, the fact that we are being denied its use is extremely annoying. We should by all means be permitted to inform one another about safety issues, the sale of wardrobes, the discovery of someone else's mail in one's own mailbox and so on and so forth.

Chinese delivery people constantly slip things under our doors. Perhaps, in this present climate of unadulterated CENSORSHIP, we should follow their example.

Any thoughts?
Subject: move out count


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Date Posted: 13:52:43 08/31/02 Sat
Apt #42 just moved out today. I was also introduced to a new tenant today. She was with Ezequiel so I couldn't give her the low down. Do we have a moveout count yet? How about an attack count?
Subject: moving out


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nancy
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Date Posted: 09:16:39 08/31/02 Sat
Do we have a count on how many people have moved out of the building since all of this started?

curious,
nanc
[> Subject: Re: moving out


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Date Posted: 12:46:36 08/31/02 Sat
A couple from the 3rd floor moved out today. 22 is moving out as well. I think Ezequiel said 17 is moving also.
Subject: People on the roof?


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Kyle and Natalie #44
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Date Posted: 11:07:05 08/30/02 Fri
This is not a complaint only a question. For many nights we have heard people walking on the roof above us (we are on the fourth floor). This doesn't bother us it just worries us a bit. If it is a tenent that is fine. I am in no position to tell someone to stay off the roof. If it is not, something needs to be done about it. Please post if you make trips to the roof. You do not have to leave your name. The roof I am speaking about is the one on Broadway 100ft from Lawton. Also, if you are going to the roof, please make sure you close the door that leads there. This door is right by my apartment and I don't want intruders entering the building close to my door. Thank you.
[> Subject: Re: People on the roof?


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Date Posted: 09:07:03 08/31/02 Sat
I live right under the 2nd floor "patio" and hear quite A LOT of noise on the roof on many nights - last night being one of those nights.

Since I live alone, I have't ever had the nerve to leave my locked apartment alone. Next time I hear noise, would anyone be willing to go up and check it out with me? Or should I just call the cops? I'm never sure what I am really hearing - is itthe folks next door doing home improvement? Is it the neighbors? I don't know.
[> [> Subject: Re: People on the roof?


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Date Posted: 09:19:18 08/31/02 Sat
I can't promise that I will be the most menacing person you'll get an offer from, but I'm almost always up late [1-2am] so if you need someone to confront what/whomever is up on the roof give me a ring.

cell - 646-337-3473
land - 718-602-0218

MIchael [#30]
Subject: FYI


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Kyle #44
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Date Posted: 19:58:29 08/30/02 Fri
Just took the dogs out. Paul the temp security guard is back. If you never met him, he is a tall, thin black guy dressed in street clothes. He is very nice so if you see him take time too meet him. He has been outside the building since 8:30pm and will be out there till 12:00am. He said he will also be back Sat night and Sun night. Is this a feble attempt by George to make us feel better for a few days AGAIN, I don't know this, but am glad he is out there. He does make trips around the block and checks everything out. I don't know if George has seen our website yet, but hopefully he has and is trying to make steps forward to making us happy(I will just settle for safe). This changes nothing though. I've seen Paul here before and he was only here for the weekend. 4 hrs of security is better but not enough. I don't want to sound ungrateful but at the same time I don't want to sound satified.
[> Subject: Re: FYI


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Date Posted: 07:07:33 08/31/02 Sat
I think it is a pathetic attempt by George to make us feel better. 8:30 to 12:30? That's a joke.

The security guard should be there from at least 10 pm to 5 am and we shouldn't settle for less.

I face Lawton street and do you hear the nonsense out there every night?

It's unacceptable.
[> Subject: Re: FYI


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Date Posted: 07:09:13 08/31/02 Sat
He should also have a small station for himself (a desk of sorts in the lobby) to have refreshments and whatever else he might need.

It sounds temporary to me.
[> [> Subject: Re: FYI


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Date Posted: 08:56:45 08/31/02 Sat
I think maybe it should be earlier like 7 or 8 until 2am or so.....most of the muggings took place at like 7 and if I'm comming home at 2am im in a cab no matter where I am.
Subject: What the hell?


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Date Posted: 18:34:21 08/30/02 Fri
No offense guys, but you're freaking me out. Because everything I continue to hear is actually "hearsay". Can we hear from those that got actually mugged or strangled or shuffled in some kind of way?

I'm not saying this stuff isn't happening--I've been a crime victim before but I feel like we keep regurgitating the same shit. If you have an experience (just like John did and explained to the rest of us), please tell us about it. I'm sick of the "I heard that...." I know not everyone has a computer but please spread the word.
Subject: count me in!!!


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Date Posted: 14:55:43 08/30/02 Fri
hi all,

unfortunately, because of my work and being out of town a lot lately, i've missed the parties, meetings and (apparently) most of the lobby postings.

i must say i'm a little shocked to hear of all the security issues. i had no idea that a lot of this was going on and the taking down of postings (and confronting tenants about them) is very disheartening. i'm very surprised to read about all the problems with george because he's been very accommodating to me. i don't think we can blame george for the neighborhood, but i do think he needs to address the security issues regarding the building (specifically the roof and outside doors), if people are getting in and walking around the halls.

i feel like we need to take a calm, rational approach when dealing with george. obviously some of you have and it hasn't worked... but starting a war with him is really going to get us no where. from george's stand point, a security guard or doorman would have to be incredibly expensive... and even if we had a security guard, i'm not sure what having someone sitting in the lobby is going to do for one of us getting mugged outside. i don't know what the answers are, but i'm willing to talk about it and support a group decision. obviously, our voices are stronger together than alone.

i'm in apartment #23 and my number is 732.754.4828. unfortunately, i haven't formally met most of you and i know others offered too, but if anybody needs someone to walk with them to/from the train, or a ride to the grocery store, or if anybody wants company walking their dog (mine could always use the extra exercise), or if there's ever a problem, please come by or call!!!

i'm not going to be able to make the meeting on the 4th, so please let me know what happens. i'm (hopefully) going to get on the email list shortly, but i don't have internet or email access on the weekends... so if something comes up, please call me.

thanks,

jeromie
apt 23

ps. big thanks to the organizers of this message board, emails and meetings!!
Subject: Are we powerless?


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Date Posted: 20:29:49 08/28/02 Wed
Why are we sitting back whining? I'd like to know what can we do? Seriously...

If several mature adults have approached him and he's not taking us seriously, we need to find out about our rights. The petition is a start. I don't see him changing his mind about notices that might let visitors know that this building has problems. But we've resolved that one through this forum.

Do we agree that the party is a good place to present the signed petition? That way he will see that we mean business and we ALL responsibly face him.

I'm not worried about pissing him off. I'm pissed off. What is he gonna' do if he's pissed? He needs to know that we are willing to take this far if necessary. Nevertheless, I'm not familiar with tenant rights to know when we can withhold rent or demand security.
[> Subject: Re: Are we powerless? No


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Date Posted: 10:39:05 08/29/02 Thu
No, we are not powerless. we have the advantage of numbers, provided that we can organize ourselves. i have, by the way, decide to unoficially withhold rent, just to save a little money, and because George is an asshole.
[> [> Subject: Re: Are we powerless? No


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Date Posted: 12:59:40 08/29/02 Thu
How are you going to justify that? I'm not being sarcastic I really want to know. I don't think we are in a position to start witholding rent, but maybe I'm wrong. It doesn't seem like he has broken our lease and that seems like the only justifiable reason to not pay.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Are we powerless? No


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Date Posted: 14:05:12 08/29/02 Thu
i dont suggest that anyone else withhold their rent, nor will i try to justify it. i have no right to, i just think that george is a fucking asshole so lets just say that i dont feel 'motivated' to pay him rent. i might in the future. i might pay rent this month. i dont know. this is not really an issue for everyone to discuss, i just thought id mention it in passing. lets drop it now.
[> [> Subject: Re: Are we powerless? No


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nancy
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Date Posted: 19:34:59 08/29/02 Thu
Maybe a dumb question, but ...

If we hold our rent to get something done in the building, does that mean that as soon as the "thing" (there's a long list now) gets done, the landlord will expect all backrent paid in full?
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Are we powerless? No


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Date Posted: 09:12:45 08/30/02 Fri
I have heard about people holding money in escrow until things are done that they have been promised or are basic requirements that are not being met. It's a real pain to do, and it doesn't automatically protect you legally. What it does do is show that you are witholding your rent based on unfulfilled promises, and not just to save some money.

An escrow account is set up through an escrow agent. They hold the money in an account with a contract saying that if the renters conditions are met, the money will be released to the landlord. The agent gets paid, and you need to make sure that you find someone reliable through the D.A.'s office or the the bar association so they don't take the money and run.

The escrow agent is not qualified to make a decision about your legal grounds for escrow. They are much like a notary and an accountant. So- there's also the lawyer's fees.

(This is just my personal research, so don't quote me as an authority.)

Most tenant escrow cases seem to revolve around basics- heat, clean water and locking doors. Things mentioned in the signed lease and basic ammenities covered by tenant law.
If you look at our signed lease, there is a clause at the end saying that if we sign, the tenant is only required to supply what is in the lease, and that oral promises are not legally binding on the landlord. It could easily be argued that the landlord HAS done his best to fulfill everything promised in writing. It might also be argued that since they put "laundry coming soon" in print advertisement (their website) that this was legally binding and you might be able to withhold rent for that- if you can define the word "soon". I think its iffy- but I'm not a lawyer.

Now look at paragraph 8. "All of the sections of this Lease are subject to the provisions of the Warranty of Habitability Law in the form it may have from time to time under this Lease. Nothing in this Lease can be interpreted to mean that You have given up any of your rights under that law. Under that law, Owner agrees that the Apartment and the Building are fit for human habitation and that there will be no conditions which will be detrimental to life, health or safety."

This section sounds promising, certainly we aren't safe. But is the neighborhood considered part of the building? Maybe the sidewalk right outside our door, where there is already a camera, but how about the sidewalk on Broadway? Or around the corner? It would be hard to argue that the Landlord is at fault for the neighborhood. The City would no doubt want to encourage people to build in neighborhoods that need cash, so the idea of a judge ruling against a landlord for where he's developed seems unlikely. Security on the roof might be a workable issue, since its the building itself- but keep in mind that as soon as the issue is resolved, that escrow money goes to the landlord.

You could try collective blackmail, and put everyone's money in escrow until your demands are met- it might take so long to fight the escrow in court (with your expert lawyer team on your side), that they'd have to give in and provide better security. Or they might fight it, win, and you would be required to pay their legal fees.
Or they might lose, go bankrupt, and walk away- leaving the building in a receivership and unlikely to improve. Just some theory, again, I'm not a lawyer.

If you simply don't pay rent, it does take a long while for eviction proceedings. If your credit is already shot and you are that angry that you are willing to risk physical eviction on a day to day basis, it might be for you. But if you paid last month's rent and security, you are still paying for the last two month's anyway, so what's the point?

These were just some ideas based on my trying to find a way out of the lease. I decided that I was legally bound to the lease, so I did not pursue any of these remedies. My opinions, however, are not those of a lawyer.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are we powerless? No


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JUST A CLARAFICATION, THE WARRANTY OF HABITABILITY LAW DOES NOT INCLUDE SAFETY DUE TO MUGGINGS SINCE IT IS BEYOND THE LANDLORD'S CONTROL. THAT LAW WAS CREATED SO AS TO PREVENT LANDLORDS FROM CREATING SLUMS IN WHICH 10 PEOPLE OCCUPY A STUDIO APARTMENT IN WHICH THIS APARTMENT HAS HOLES, RATS, AND ALL THAT OTHER CRAP.
Subject: "Big Brother" George


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Date Posted: 18:10:18 08/28/02 Wed
A few comments:

1. George would have to pay me a month's rent + security for me to go to his party. By all means, let's boycott.

2. For as much as we pay to live in the ghetto (aka "Williamsburg" -- ha ha), I feel we should be allowed to post notes on the wall for one another --- without seeking George's "permission." Does he need our parents' signatures in order for us to go to his party? What a joke.

3. Thank you John, Jenny, Kyle for your notes -- I was lucky enough to read them both before they were torn from the wall.

4. At the very least, I'm glad such great people live in this building. The willingness for tenants to engage in this kind of dialogue really makes me feel better about living here.
[> Subject: Re: "Big Brother" George


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Date Posted: 18:19:56 08/28/02 Wed
I have to agree that the only reason why I don't just say f*&k my credit--I'm breaking the lease is because of the type of people that live here. He is so ignorant that he didnt' realize that by seeking tenants like us he would have to deal with people who take matters into their hands(he told me when I came to see the apt that he was looking for young and educated).
I knew this wasn't Williamsburg when I came to see the apt. nevertheless he seemed to be willing to compromise at the time and I never thought I'd have to deal with ghetto garbage like the one we're dealing with.
I was also lucky enough to read John/Jenny's note before he removed it. Thanks for keeping us aware of the stuff that's going on.
But I have a question about this notice--were you guys mugged that night? Or was it an observation you made of the lowlifes?

>A few comments:
>
>1. George would have to pay me a month's rent +
>security for me to go to his party. By all means,
>let's boycott.
>
>2. For as much as we pay to live in the ghetto (aka
>"Williamsburg" -- ha ha), I feel we should be allowed
>to post notes on the wall for one another --- without
>seeking George's "permission." Does he need our
>parents' signatures in order for us to go to his
>party? What a joke.
>
>3. Thank you John, Jenny, Kyle for your notes -- I
>was lucky enough to read them both before they were
>torn from the wall.
>
>4. At the very least, I'm glad such great people live
>in this building. The willingness for tenants to
>engage in this kind of dialogue really makes me feel
>better about living here.
[> [> Subject: Re: "Big Brother" George


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Date Posted: 10:43:48 08/29/02 Thu
no, we were not mugged. we were 'asked for a cigarette'. just then a cab pulled around the corner, and then the young black gentlemen no longer felt that they needed a cigarette. if not for that cab, though, i am sure that we would have been. up until that point we thought that the muggings were more myth and p[aranoia than reality, but now we feel differently.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: "Big Brother" George


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Date Posted: 12:49:34 08/29/02 Thu
why would you think they were a myth or paranoia. the cops were there, Ezequiel saw one of the muggings himself and why would people make something like that up? Everyone seems to be thinking this isn't a big deal unless it happens to them personally.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: "Big Brother" George


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Date Posted: 07:58:12 08/30/02 Fri
well, until then, i had not heard much about it, except that people were scared. people could be scared for alot of reasons. remember that i dont spend very much time in the bldg, and dont see very many people in it very often. after it happened, then i started asking some people randomly, and then i got more of the story. i would still like to get more details.
Subject: Gentrification


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Frances
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Date Posted: 19:39:11 08/29/02 Thu
I am a New Yorker and I've seen a gentrified Williamsburg, which used to be an industrial dump. I've also seen Harlem come around and the Lower East Side which used to be scary even to someone like myself (I am Hispanic). Although you might think I have it easier, this is not the case. I don't fit the stereotype, I am not from the ghetto and I do not enjoy it. I am tough though. But this issue concerns me deeply because I do not want to be victimized and I HATE that my neighbors have to walk around worried about being targeted. Yes, you do stick out like sore thumbs but if anything, the people from the neighborhood should embrace this opportunity for a better community, more resources and safety.
Some of you might disagree but I think you should walk around, firm, secure, with a feeling of ownership of your new neighborhood. A sort of "don't fuck with me" attitude. I am not trying to say to fight with one of these morons because we all read the news and know that they might be armed. But realize that you are already strong for making a decision to move to this obvious shit hole, that you are paying more than this place is worth and that you are entitled to walk around and lead a regular, safe existence.
Be friendly with the bodega people and if someone is following you, do not come home--go into a bodega and tell them what's happening. You might be surprised. Or go in and use a cell phone to call someone here for company. Don't give up and don't become a prisoner here--I know it's hard...I've lived in NY too many years and I've had many close calls, but I always follow my gut instinct and I'm not afraid to offend someone by switching streets or changing plans (avoid Dodworth).
I think this experience will make us stronger and we will be able to build meaningful friendships, as a result. Please let me know if there is a meeting coming up--I did not attend the previous one.
[> Subject: Re: Gentrification


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J Kosinski
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Date Posted: 07:50:49 08/30/02 Fri
thank you. this is not the first bad neighborhood ive lived in. it is important to walk with confidence, and to not allow yourself to be holed up in your apartment. your advice is good, and i support it.
Subject: Place to squat


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J Kosinski
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Date Posted: 07:45:15 08/30/02 Fri
I dont mind lending my apartment for the meeting. apt 26 on the second floor. there is not much furniture, so lots of room.

also, anyone walking home who would like an escort or someone to meet them at the door can call me as well. 646-303-4235. thats my girlfriend jennys cell, but i have it alot of the time. now, most of the time, i will probably be coming home later than you, but you may at some time feel it worth the try to get ahold of me, and neither i nor jenny will mind. thank you, kyle, i got the idea from you, and it is a good one.
Subject: reply


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Date Posted: 07:43:59 08/30/02 Fri
Me paying electricity before the rest of you was a joke. Meaning he will try to find a way to get back at me.
Subject: meeting


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Date Posted: 06:00:28 08/30/02 Fri
Hi Guys:

I don't think I will be able to make it ot the meeting. It would be great if there is an update afterwards via fliers or message board. Sorry I don't mean to give more work to you guys. Thanks.
Subject: meeting


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Date Posted: 21:58:03 08/29/02 Thu
The concerns, petition, and anything else should be put into an envelope and "sent" to George. This will keep any responciblity off certain people. I know he doesn't want anything like that from me now. I might be paying for electricity before all of you.
[> Subject: Re: meeting


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Date Posted: 22:04:13 08/29/02 Thu
Please explain (if you don't mind). Why would you be paying electricity before the rest of us?
Subject: # for the cops


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Kyle and Natalie #44
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Date Posted: 21:50:49 08/29/02 Thu
The number to the 83rd precinct is 718-574-1605. Program this number in your cell phone.
Subject: none


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Date Posted: 21:45:08 08/29/02 Thu
Wednesday sounds fine. Just let us know an exact time. Also, anyone who has had a "thug" related incident should write this down and bring it to the meeting. This way someone can collect them and post an exact count of problems we have had. If you know someone who isn't going to come please get this from them. I would like to know everything that has happened to the tenents so we can show George. We are home most of the time (for now anyway)so if you feel uncomfortable coming home feel free to call and we will meet you outside. 718-919-9471 (we are always up late)
Subject: Sounds good...


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Greg and Frances #9
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Date Posted: 21:05:17 08/29/02 Thu
Wednesday, September 4 sounds good....anytime after 6PM--count us in.
Subject: NEXT MEETING


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Date Posted: 20:24:09 08/29/02 Thu
Im glad you stepped up Nancy and got us together to have another meeting...Lets do it Wed but maybe later would work for everyone..like say 8?
[> Subject: Re: NEXT MEETING


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Date Posted: 20:31:22 08/29/02 Thu
8pm works for me. GREAT. We should look to have it inside maybe. It's getting dark earlier now and there's no light up there. Anyone up for hosting? (meaning - just space to squat for about an hour. Not appetizers and cocktails.)

Unless we're hoping that an area punk representative will join us, in which case, we should break out the ladder.

(that was a joke, BTW)

n
[> [> Subject: Re: NEXT MEETING


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Date Posted: 20:34:28 08/29/02 Thu
Are there any vacant units still available that we could "squat" in for an hour or two?
Subject: EMAIL ADDRESSES


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Date Posted: 20:21:20 08/29/02 Thu
Just a reminder that we're trying to get a list together of all emails for the people in the building so a mass email can be sent to all of us at once...and if you want to send a mass email to everyone in the building once this list is made, all you would have to do is send it to fifteenlawtonst@yahoo.com and we will send it out. So far we only have eight email addresses.
thanks
Subject: LET'S SCHEDULE THIS MEETING NOW!!!


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Date Posted: 19:54:34 08/29/02 Thu
OK. It's been said by a few of us now. Let's schedule this meeting NOW.

How is Wed, Sept 4th at 7pm? Will people be back in town by then?

I would also suggest that at the end (or beginning) of the meeting, that we all tour the facilities together to see where and what the problems are (e.g. the doors that open on to Lawton St.) and that we get a list of them.

nancy
[> Subject: Re: LET'S SCHEDULE THIS MEETING NOW!!!


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Date Posted: 20:02:56 08/29/02 Thu
Wed sept 4th sounds great..we wont be around till 7:30 but if its going to happen at 7:00 we'll catch up. Count us in.
[> Subject: Re: LET'S SCHEDULE THIS MEETING NOW!!!


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Date Posted: 20:07:17 08/29/02 Thu
Works for me.

But do we have a better method of contacting everyone simultaneously. I know that Nancy has a partial email list. Did everyone with web access send their information to fifteenlawtonst@yahoo.com?

Maybe we need a "roll call" to make sure everyone is aware of what's going on.

Just a thought.
[> [> Subject: Re: LET'S SCHEDULE THIS MEETING NOW!!!


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Date Posted: 20:17:51 08/29/02 Thu
Am I on there? Can't remember.

Should I just send all the emails I have on the contact sheet to that yahoo address too?

n
Subject: Notes from 1st "15 Lawton" meeting


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Date Posted: 20:14:24 08/29/02 Thu
Hey, people. Here are the notes from our first tenants' meeting on 8-18 (NOT on 8-11, sorry about that). They aren't the best. Next time, maybe someone else should try the secretarial thing. I don't write fast enough.

Hope this is helpful.

nanc


15 Lawton

Tenants’ Meeting
8-18-02

In attendance: Ghen Zhando-Dennis, Suzanne Merrill, Aaron Langley, Zac Centers, Brigid O’Keeke, David Shoemaker, John Wollcox, John Ehlers, Wendy Wicks, Chandra Mitchell, Magdalena Turner, Derek Stringfellow, Greg Gattuso, Michael Reardon, Christoph Lardschneider, Reneé Yell, Nancy Kleaver

· Thank you, Brigid for calling this meeting! - Brigid and Zac explain they know about muggings of tenants in our building and in the neighborhood, and of her last conversation with George about what could be done to help ensure our safety. (His reaction was not positive)

· Tenants took turns described accounts of muggings, intruders, and other weirdness they have encountered over the past few weeks. Many tenants felt in the dark and unaware that these events were taking place

· We all realized that we still do not know each – the group reintroduced themselves (including apt. #)

· What’s up with.…? (other concerns and inconsistencies in communication between George and tenants)
1. the electricity meters – are we going to be expected to pay retroactive? Some us of were told by George that the electricity is on him until meters are ready
2. gas bills – many of us received insanely high gas bills when we turned over the accounts to our name; some are receiving 1 bills – one in our name and another for “Pella Realty”; Ghen noticed that her thermostat affected the heater in the hallway outside her apartment
3. laundry facilities – George keeps saying “3 weeks”, his daughter says “before it gets cold.”
4. storage space – some of us were told there would be storage space, others were not
5. what kind of business is going into the first floor? Some rumors: grocery store, bakery, gym, art gallery???
And…
6. SAFETY:
· Who is the “security guard”? Hours? (everyone had been told something different) What are his credentials? Is he armed?
· Are there really surveillance cameras and if so, who is watching them? Or is that just a sign?
· There needs to be more fencing and barbed wire on the roof
· Side (emergency) doors are not secure – people are getting in!
· The door to the roof gets left open by George’s workers – this cannot happen!



· We need more communication!
Between us (the tenants)
Between tenants and George
Between tenants and Rosario

· We must report any muggings or other suspicious behavior to the police and to each other

· Michael will send us all an email about local police precincts (will also be put on website)

· Derek advised that we only take our most immediate concerns to George, which are:
SAFETY – surveillance, security guard, secured exits, protecting the roof
LAUNDRY facilities – when is it coming?
ELECTRICITY meters – when is it coming? And are we expected to pay
retroactively



ACTION:

1. Nancy will put together a building contact sheet and email it to everyone
2. Derek will create a tenant website
3. Derek has a tack board he will give to Rosario to mount above mailboxes
4. Nancy will type up notes from this meeting and pass them on to the rest of the group for additions and edits
5. 2 tenants will take our most immediate concerns to George
Subject: Ezekiel


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Date Posted: 16:21:41 08/29/02 Thu
Ive noticed that there seems to be a difficulty in spelling his name. Unless he uses a particularly unusual spelling, I am 99% certain that this is the correct way. For future reference.
[> Subject: Re: Ezekiel


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Date Posted: 18:05:37 08/29/02 Thu
I have a paper he wrote his name on himself. It is Ezequiel.

Whatever the case, he's a great guy.
[> [> Subject: Re: Ezekiel


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nancy
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Date Posted: 19:41:03 08/29/02 Thu
Damn. And I've always called the man "Rosario."
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ezekiel


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Date Posted: 19:44:17 08/29/02 Thu
We called him Rosario for the first 2 weeks we were here in May...I think we now know it his last name..we think..and yes, he does rock.
Subject: changes to the message board


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Date Posted: 19:16:40 08/29/02 Thu
I made some changes so that all the messages so that they can be seen all at once (hopefully that will make viewing it faster and easier). I also, obivously, made it blue because I liked blue. If someone wants to start a new webpage/message board that is fine with me. I don't know anything about programming, but I'm sure something could be done so it can be used for something other than just talking about safety issues.
[> Subject: Re: changes to the message board


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Date Posted: 19:38:22 08/29/02 Thu
I think this can and will be used for other issues in the future.

And you did a good job fancying this thing up. Thank you. Take it easy on the administrator, folks. he's doing us a favor here.
Subject: to Will in #42


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jenny
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Date Posted: 19:15:26 08/29/02 Thu
(i don't know if this message board is strictly for discussing our safety and the 'attacks'. if it is, i apologize for this message. if i broke the rule of the message board, please let me know - nicely. thanks)

hey will, i left a message on your cell phone the other day about the closet space. i haven't heard back from you so i'm trying this approach to get you. call me when you get a chance? thanks! 646.303.4235
Subject: aaarrrrggghhhhh!


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Date Posted: 19:10:16 08/29/02 Thu
i was posting a message and for some reason, my screen went away!! i don't know if it posted so if it did, sorry for the repetition of questions and comments. this is jenny in #26 by the way. i was saying that i didn't like the message board because you can't see all the messages at one time but that you had to click on the subject of someone's posting but this time around, logging on, i see everyone's messages all at the same time. cancel that previous comment.

i think that we need to meet face to face and talk about things instead of posting messages. it's a good idea but would it be more productive to meet up? someone mentioned sunday but i don't know if it's this sunday or the one that passed. can someone email john kosinski and let him know when the date has been decided? (john@nerve.com) thanks.

first of all, i'd like to say that the people that are vandalizing and attacking us are trying to tell us to get the fuck out of their hood. we live in the ghetto. anyone who didn't know that before they moved in should've researched the neighborhood better. i'm not excusing these culprits' behavior, i'm just merely saying that that's why they're lashing out at us. they're extremely territorial and we stick out like sore thumbs so they're trying to get us to move out. contrary to what george may have said to any of you upon moving in, it's going to be years before this neighborhood becomes gentrified. YEARS! places like this don't become super trendo places within a couple years. everyone and anyone that knows new york knows that bushwick/bed stuy/old williamsburg (our neighborhood) is a serious area. it sucks that we're being attacked and made prisoners of our own homes. if anyone needs someone to walk with at night, please stop by and john and i will go out with you. we're not home that often however, but when we are, we'd be happy to go out with you. (#26!)

please, don't stop hanging up flyers talking about meetings, experiences, and anything else. although management keeps tearing them down, we have to let them know that we're not going to keep quiet.

also, can someone give me the number to the 83rd precinct? i tried to make a claim when john and i were approached by the 2 kids the other night but i went on the automated operator tour from hell. which option was i supposed to press to get a live person on the line??

that's all for now...bye~
Subject: JOHN R KOSINSKI


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Date Posted: 10:24:13 08/29/02 Thu
First off, let me say that I think we should have a better message board. There are several reasons why I dont like this one. I am a programmer, and I would be more than happy to write one, if anyone can provide some web space, preferably on a server running IIS (Windows). alternately, I could create a secret one on the server where I work, and I am not unwilling to do so, though a little reluctant.

Okay. I met the attackers. There are two of them, they look high-school aged, they ask for a cigarette and then mug you. I was not mugged, though I would have been if not for that cab pulling up at that very second. I do not know for a fact that they are armed - Anyone have any info on that? - though i do know that they at least pretend to be.

It does not surprise me that our 'landlord' would like to supress any talk about these happenings. i left him a note on that last night. i fucking hate that bastard.

i would gladly sign a petition for a security guard, provided that there is a clause in there that demands that our rent is not raised because of it. i dont know how much good a security guard will do, but it couldnt hurt.

i carry a weapon, though i feel like if i used it, i would have to move out immediately. i used to be in the us marines. i know how to kill someone, and have done so before. the only advantage that we have is in our numbers. i feel like we have to stick together in our common defense. Coleman, it would help me out alot if you would answer some of my questions. i know that it is not fun to talk about, as ive been in your situation before. thats why i understand your unwillingness to talk, but consider that i am not moving out, so i need to provide for my own safety as well as that of my girlfriend.

i live on the 2nd floor, with my girlfriendm, room 26. my email address is john@nerve.com. you may have seen us; 27-year old guy with bleached hair, short asian girl. do not hesitate to stop by. i would like people in our bldg to be able to ask each other 'i have to go to the store. will you walk with me?' and that way we can walk around in our 'hood, safely, in groups of 4 or so. i think that would deter most muggings.

please dont hesitate to contact me. those of us not moving out have to have some kind of plan, or else we will all get mugged, one by one.
[> Subject: Re: JOHN R KOSINSKI


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Date Posted: 18:43:35 08/29/02 Thu
Are people considering actually moving out? Can we break our lease like that?
Subject: re to a re of confused and calm


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Date Posted: 20:55:08 08/28/02 Wed
I'm sorry that my attempt at levity regarding good food at the party did not sit well with someone.
Please don't misunderstand my presenting an alternate point of view as siding with the landlord.
What is foremost in my mind is the safety of my home, and on a less important note, seeing that George fulfills the promises he made when he first rented me the apartment.
However, I do want to make two points clear:

1.) I will not jump on any bandwagon without knowing the clear, unadulterated truth about what has happened to some of my fellow residents.

2.) George IS the owner of the building, and I believe it is his right to maintain the walls as he sees fit. However, to do so in an inconsiderate or nasty fashion, is unacceptable. He certainly seems to be showing insensitivity. Then again, what HAS he said regarding safety? Did he say that he's hiring security but that he needs more time? Did he say it's not his responsibility?
I guess I will find these things out at the party, and then we can, as a united group of tenants vote or decide or sign on what direction we want to go from there. Just a thought.
[> Subject: Re: re to a re of confused and calm


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Now, now, don't take what I wrote the wrong way. I sincerely wish you good food and sincerely am glad that you feel alright. I apologize if you took it to be a malicious comment because I didn't mean it to be so. We're all friends here and you have every right to your opinion. In addition to wishing you good food, I wish you luck in getting all the answers you need. Enjoy the grub.
[> [> Subject: Re: re to a re of confused and calm


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Date Posted: 18:39:14 08/29/02 Thu
No one is jumping on a bandwagon but we have people here that are obviously not from NY and are freaked out to even leave the building. That is not the solution either. I am concerned because I want us all safe but I choose to remain calm for my own sanity. I didn't write that message but I relate to the guy/gal who did.
[> Subject: Re: re to a re of confused and calm


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Date Posted: 04:50:25 08/29/02 Thu
It almost sounds as if you are accusing everyone that wants to take some sort of action of jumping onto a "bandwagon" without thinking for ourselves. Although you have made some good points it seems as if you are saying that nothing as happened to you so it's not a bid deal yet. Maybe nobody has all the facts on every incident (I'm hoping that people will start posting their experiences so we will, but that hasn't happened yet), but I do know that several people have been mugged in a short period of time and that worries me enough to want something done. George has said that we are not getting a doorman/security guard. He said he would consider it if 26 apartments demanded it (he did not say whether or not that would involve a rent increase), but then he tore down the notice informing people of this. The petition was posted earlier last night (the wording of it). It may need some rewording so everyone can agree on it, but no one has suggested anything so far.
Subject: The importance of filing police reports


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Date Posted: 18:30:07 08/28/02 Wed
Not to badger you or insult anyone's intelligence, but I'd like to stress the importance of filing police reports in the unfortunate event that something happens to any of you. If you haven't filed on a previous incident... i doubt it's too late to do so.

The reason I'm stressing this is actually because I came into contact with a police officer -- a really lovely guy --who is in the 83rd precinct's anti-crime division. We spoke a couple times on the phone and this past saturday he and 4 of his fellow plain-clothes officers stopped by our apartment to chat. They do care about our safety and would like to help more... but -- and this is important -- Police officers decide which locations deserve the most police presence each week after going through the past week's police reports. Thus, if 6 things happen in front of our one building in one week, and only 1 incident is reported, in the words of Officer Carito, "we assume things are pretty quiet on Lawton and on the neighboring blocks."

I'm sure this is nothing new to all of you... but filing police reports does help far more than you may think they do. If you think, "well, i couldn't identify my mugger anyway" or "it was a group of kids on bikes, i couldn't give a description and nonetheless, they didn't get any money off of me..." etc... it doesn't matter. The cops understand that a proper description isn't always possible... and are still very interested in the details of these punks' modus operandi -- and such details can be more incriminating than a description of a mugger's face.

Give it some thought. And stay safe.

Also, I'd like to give you guys my phone number... in case you want someone to walk somewhere with you or meet you from the train or whatever. During the academic year -- sad but true -- i rarely go out on weekends, but nonetheless, stay up late. So if you don't want to take a cab, give me a call. I'll bring my mace and my dog -- I operate under the false assumption that she (my dog) may just scare people!

my number: 718-574-6893

Brigid
[> Subject: Re: The importance of filing police reports


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Date Posted: 17:04:36 08/29/02 Thu
Good point Brigid, that's what they're there for; Even if they are sometimes surly on the phone because Bloomberg's not giving them their raise, all you have to do is ask for their badge number and they start doing their job right away. I'm around a lot too if anyone needs an "escort" - 718-453-7571. And guys, please be careful with the mace and anything else that's armed and dangerous you may be caring around. Many times the perps end up using it against you, or it goes off in an elevator or something.
Subject: Incident report(s) - NO muggings, but still obnoxious


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Date Posted: 14:18:55 08/29/02 Thu
Several weeks back, I saw a couple jerks breaking into a tenant's jeep. The owner can report on that in more detail. I called the cops but not much was achieved as far as I know.

Last Tuesday, I saw someone break into Ezequal's schoolbus. They had ripped apart the chain link fence to climb through to enter what is supposedly going to be a parking lot in the future. The asshole got away and now Ezequal has his dog out there 24/7. Another tenant saw the idiots drag an old oven up to the fence in an attempt to get over the barbed wire. To make this more clear... this occurred in George's designated dumping ground which is, unfortunately, the view from my windows.

I also saw the little f**ckers that went on a spray-painting binge one night last week -- they spray-painted our building and the autobody on Brooklyn and Hart. The cops drove right past them, and that scared them enough to get them on their way... but their idiotic scrawl had already been painted on the walls.

A week prior, we watched some stray guy with a 40-ounce enter one of the side-door entrances to our building (the one next to the furniture shop) that George's employees often use (they are the only people I have ever seen use that door). If we get bitched at for supposedly leaving doors unlocked, why don't the people who actually use the doors get bitched at?

No muggings, but this shit is obnoxious and I'll call the cops on anything... and have done just that.
Subject: INCIDENT REPORT: Tuesday, Aug. 27


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Date Posted: 14:02:24 08/29/02 Thu
here is one incident, one that you may be aware of:

My girlfriend, who lives with me in apt 26, floor 2, and i, were asked for a smoke by the offending party. suspiciously, i offered one, ready for the impending mugging attempt, but just then a cab pulled up and the gentlemen no longer felt the need for a smoke, leaving quickly. it was only later that night that i learned of the nature of the previous muggings.
Subject: New Message Board


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Date Posted: 10:33:11 08/29/02 Thu
Ive said this before, but i think it warrants mentioning again - this message board is slow. there are other things that i dont like about it, too. if no one else considers that a problem then ok. Otherwise, i would be glad to write a new one that is only for us, provided that someone owns some web space on which i can write it.

i could put it up on the local server where i work, but it would have to remain secret, for obvious reasons. if i get a good number of replies saying yes, write us a new message board but no web space, then i will consider doing that. I am the programmer of nerve.com, by the way, in case any of you are familiar with that site. but please dont tell me about all the problems on that site; ive been working there only a month and i am quite aware of how fucked up that site is. a rewrite is in the works for a few months from now.
[> Subject: Re: New Message Board


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Date Posted: 10:49:26 08/29/02 Thu
I agree with John about slowness (not to mention the minimal esthetics) of the board.

There was however discussion of someone coding a more robust message board on a better/private server at the first meeting a few weeks ago.

That process may already be underway so there's no point in 2 or 3 different people working on the same thing. The site is fine for quick posts but the nature of this kind of thing is kind of restrictive.

Perhaps another face to face roof deck meeting is in order to get a consensus on what should happen next. Sunday again? Anybody? Bueller.... Bueller?
[> [> Subject: Re: New Message Board


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Date Posted: 12:31:33 08/29/02 Thu
Hmm. well, if someone is working on a new board, maybe i could be of some assistance to them. how can i find out if anyone is working on it, and if so, who they are?
[> Subject: Re: New Message Board


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Date Posted: 12:48:13 08/29/02 Thu
I really don't think we need a new message board. This one is easy to use and I assume that the person who set it up wasn't trying to make a message board to rival all other message boards. It's for all of use to post our ideas and start a dialogue which it seems to be doing very well considering how many messages are on here and it was only started yesterday. Why not spend time trying to come up with some solutions instead of a better message board.
[> [> Subject: Re: New Message Board


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Date Posted: 13:56:24 08/29/02 Thu
well, of course, the idea is not to stray from the original intent. its just that i spend all day at work writing code anyway, so why not allot some of that time to writing a message board for us all to use. i would like it to be so that you can see all the messages at once, since they all basically have the same subject and relate to the same thing. but anyway, take a look at my original posting, the one that has nothing to do with a new message board, and tell me what you think of that one. forget the new message board, it was just an afterthought.
Subject: Tacks for the bulletin board


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Date Posted: 13:33:15 08/29/02 Thu
I have placed some tacks in the bulletin board. If George rips those down, I'll deduct the 50 cents from my rent, in a typical businessman fashion.
Subject: Incident list


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Date Posted: 13:32:16 08/29/02 Thu
Can we have a list of confirmed incidents? I only knew of two muggings, but I hear there were six incidents. Of what? I'm not sure. But I think its inportant to know what is happening and when to assess the danger. I know that on August 14th, at 7:30PM, I was almost mugged by the kids asking for cigarettes. I walked past them and into the building, but they mugged the next person who walked by (literally, I was still waiting for the elevator). If something happened to you or you know for sure of an incident, could you list it?
Subject: Another meeting on the roof?


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Date Posted: 13:04:49 08/29/02 Thu
Someone suggested another meeting on the roof. Probably a good idea. In fact it is especially a good idea if people are just now starting to realize the hype has been more about reality than myth.

Maybe not this Sunday, though, because of the holiday. How What about the following Sunday? Any takers? Please respond if a meeting on the 8th sounds good.
Subject: <input type=checkbox name=checkme>here is a checkbox


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Date Posted: 12:32:42 08/29/02 Thu
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Subject: I also saw John and Jenny's note during the few minutes it was up


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Date Posted: 18:14:07 08/28/02 Wed
It didn't say anything negative at all, and was actually very gracious. There was no reason for it to be taken down at all.
[> Subject: Re: I also saw John and Jenny's note during the few minutes it was up


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Date Posted: 10:28:17 08/29/02 Thu
Hm. I never even saw it again, after i wrote it. i never liked our disgusting shady landlord, and i like him less now.
Subject: Info


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Date Posted: 20:41:41 08/28/02 Wed
This link

http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/ency/article.cfm/objectID/4CD1CCEC-B438-44E7-839A9E66F983760B/catID/87E807D0-D2A1-451F-BA5489CEE3A90ECA

gives you information about what steps to take in order to get our landlord to take action. We are in the right direction (we need to find out our local housing code to play it safer). So it is necessary to get the petition in writing to save as evidence if necessary. If I find out the local housing code for Brooklyn, I'll let you all know.
[> Subject: Re: Info


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Date Posted: 07:02:54 08/29/02 Thu
This is a great resource.

My biggest concern right now are those fire exit doors that lead onto Lawton. Last time I checked, the door jams were loose. With enough force one can simply yank or use some sort of crow bar to pry the door open. I'd like to see the handles taken OFF of that door on Lawton. It takes longer and is more awkward to physically open our lobby door with just the key and no handle, than it is to get in through that side door.

This seems to be something that can be fixed quickly is without too much hassle.
Subject: MACE


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Date Posted: 04:52:09 08/29/02 Thu
Does anyone know where I should go to get mace?
[> Subject: Re: MACE


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Date Posted: 05:30:55 08/29/02 Thu
I think its a lot easier to get pepper spray..which you can buy online at lots of places.
[> [> Subject: Re: MACE


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Date Posted: 06:32:56 08/29/02 Thu
>I think its a lot easier to get pepper spray..which
>you can buy online at lots of places.

Ah, ok. Thanks. I will look around online today.
[> Subject: Re: MACE


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Date Posted: 06:34:26 08/29/02 Thu
>Does anyone know where I should go to get mace?
You can also get pepper spray at most hardware stores. I'm sure hardware stores in this neighborhood will stock it. I got mine on ebay.
Subject: adding names to our contact sheet


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Date Posted: 04:33:18 08/29/02 Thu
Hello, everyone. This board is terrific. Thank you!!!

1.) I'm a little confused about this thing. Would anyone be interested in having a quick meeting one night to go over all the features and how to use them? Sorry to be such a dork. I'm sure I'll figure it out on my own eventually, but maybe it would be good for us to stand around a computer and get a tour of the website in order to use it fully.

2.) We need to schedule a time for two reps (boy, girl) to go to George to voice our collective concerns, as was decided a couple weeks ago at our tenant meeting. Or did that happen already?

3.) We should all keep in mind that if we do post something in the building, that it has to go on the bulletin board. I'm pissed that whoever (George or Rosario) took that message down didn't just stick it on the board if they were worried about the walls or paint. But since the board is there now, if they take down our messages, they will have NO excuse.

See y'all soon,

nanc
[> Subject: Re: adding names to our contact sheet


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Date Posted: 04:36:44 08/29/02 Thu
oops.

oh yeah, i never addressed the subject of that email. sheesh. to early...

if you were not at the tenant meeting we had on Sunday, Aug 11th, and would like to be a par of our growing tenant contact sheet, please send me your info - name, apt. #, phone #, and email. I will add it to the list and send out (via email) a new draft.

thanks!
[> Subject: Re: adding names to our contact sheet


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Date Posted: 04:39:50 08/29/02 Thu
The morning I saw Kyle's message on the wall I moved it to the bulletin board when I left for work. I figured that way they couldn't take it down and say "well, it wasn't on the bulletin board." That did not work. The notice was taken down anyway. When Ezequiel was asked why it wasn't just moved to the bulletin board and he said that we need to ask George ahead of time if we are going to post anything on the bulletin board.
[> [> Subject: Re: adding names to our contact sheet


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Date Posted: 06:31:43 08/29/02 Thu
>When
>Ezequiel was asked why it wasn't just moved to the
>bulletin board and he said that we need to ask George
>ahead of time if we are going to post anything on the
>bulletin board.


WHAT!?!?!? NoNoNo. Absolutely not. This is not middle school. I have a big problem with that. It must also be addressed in whenever this meeting between building rep/s and George takes place.
Subject: Just wondering...


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Date Posted: 20:23:10 08/28/02 Wed
What the f#$k were we on when we all signed this lease? Did we not realize that the jacuzzi and sundeck were in the GHETTO?????
[> Subject: Re: Just wondering...


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Date Posted: 04:46:25 08/29/02 Thu
>What the f#$k were we on when we all signed this
>lease? Did we not realize that the jacuzzi and
>sundeck were in the GHETTO?????

..... and on the J TRAIN?!?!!?

Yeah. I hear ya. I don't know. I think I was also charmed by what (I thought) George was trying to create here - a community, a new neighborhood. Maybe that's what's happening here. Maybe this is par for the course. What I am sad about is that we are having to go through this alone. I wonder if other neighborhoods recently gentrified (if that is, in fact, what's going on here) - Williamsburg, Greenpoint, parts of Harlem - are or went through similar stuff.
Subject: Thanks!


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Date Posted: 21:13:01 08/28/02 Wed
I don't know who is responsible for the notes under the door and the meeting set-up (I wasn't in town back then) but I am so glad that you have the initiative to take action. It is a wonderful idea to create a forum, to setup meetings, to write a petition, etc.
Whoever you are, you are brilliant!
Thanks again!
Subject: confused but calm


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Date Posted: 19:41:07 08/28/02 Wed
I have chosen to remain calm regarding this situation. Firstly, I was fortunate enough not to have been one of the victims. Second, I am a bit unclear as to exactly how many incidents have occurred, and what were their exact nature. I have heard different, contradictory versions of what's been going down. My heart goes out to anyone that was either harmed (physically or financially) or intimidated; there's nothing more disturbing than feeling that "home" is not a safe place. I'm definitely keeping an extra eye open while walking around, but for my own sanity, I cannot comfortably adopt a paranoid, angry state of mind.
George is a businessman. He wants to rent the remaining apartments (yes, people are still checking them out), and he doesn't want to lose any existing tenants. Trust me, with the amount of debt he's in (this place cost about $4 million), deep inside he WANTS this to work as much as we do. (I would think). But I think if I felt attacked and cornered and bullied by 45 or so tenants, even I might take a "back the fuck off, this is MY place" kind of attitude. He is a family man, and a self-made businessman. I think if we convey the SERIOUSNESS of the victims' experience, and our concerns, in a calm, mature manner, we can definitely make this a building and neighborhood worth living in. SHIT, moving is tiresome and expensive, you know? See ya at the party. And despite the somber nature of the situation, I hope there's good food. In conclusion, I'm glad we're all communicating and spreading concern and support. Count me in.
[> Subject: Re: confused but calm


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Date Posted: 20:08:32 08/28/02 Wed
I completely agree. I have not experienced any violence personally, however from what I understand there have been 4 separate muggings in a short period of time. I am not planning on moving out (there's nothing I dread more) and I'm trying not to be paranoid, just cautious and careful. I agree that George is a concerned about his investment and I understand that, but he needs to understand that the best way he can secure his investment is to do everything he can to make us feel safe. He has already broken promises to us all (the biggest being the non-existent laundry room) and he needs to know that is unacceptable. He cannot be blamed for bad things happening in the neighborhood, but he can be blamed for tearing down a notice put up by someone offering to walk with people to increase safety.
[> Subject: Re: confused but calm


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Date Posted: 20:24:36 08/28/02 Wed
Several calm, mature adults have approached George to relay the SERIOUSNESS of the various situations. You've seen the results -- or to be more exact, the lack thereof.

I simply cannot stomach, to be quite honest, his tearing down of john and jenny's note. Utterly ridiculous.

I hope you do get some good food out of the party -- if nothing else. Glad to hear you're feeling alright.
Subject: Lease


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Date Posted: 20:04:14 08/28/02 Wed
Will anyone be renewing their lease next year?
[> Subject: Re: Lease


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Date Posted: 20:13:11 08/28/02 Wed
I think it's too early to tell. I guess it depends on if things get better or get worse. Originally I had planned on staying for at least two years, but now I'm not sure.
Subject: a tip for our landlord, a businessman


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Date Posted: 20:06:36 08/28/02 Wed
NOt to change the subject, but since it has been called to our attention that George may be reading these soon, I'd like to know and ask publicly: where is the laundry room we were promised so long ago? Has anyone spoken to Pella on the matter recently? A good businessman would want to serve his tenants' (customers') needs, wouldn't he? Especially since he told everyone there would be a laundry room by the end of the summer, if not sooner? Oh, promises, promises,promises...

In the meantime, I'll hope my underwear doesn't fall in the hands of our muggers on my way home from the laundromat.
[> Subject: Re: a tip for our landlord, a businessman


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Date Posted: 20:10:54 08/28/02 Wed
I moved in at the beginning of May and I was told it would be a "few weeks." I assumed that didn't mean 16.
Subject: Any recent incidents? Pella is starting to show up more often


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Date Posted: 17:51:36 08/28/02 Wed
I'm wondering if anything recent has taken place. I see Pella around during the day. Whoever created the petition, can you put it online so we can sign it (electronically) and forward it to Pella?
[> Subject: Re: Any recent incidents? Pella is starting to show up more often


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Date Posted: 19:57:31 08/28/02 Wed
The petition notice was taken down by George personally. What we were trying to accomplish is to get everyone's ideas and incidents public. A petition WILL be put together for signitures. Our liscense plate was stolen off of our car the other day. A police report was made. I just moved to New York and have never felt unsafe around my home till now. I love the building and the staff here are great, but safety is my first priority. I know I'm not alone, I just hope George understands this.
Subject: It was mentioned that there are still a few apartments that are empty


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Date Posted: 19:52:06 08/28/02 Wed
The notice informing everyone of this message board was put in all the apartments. Therefore George will soon be reading all of these posts. This might be a good thing because he can see that we are not going to just stand around and do nothing. If, however, you do not want your message to be seen by him please email fifteenlawtonst@yahoo.com and I can delete any postings that you are concerned about. Thanks.
Subject: Be aware of surroundings


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Date Posted: 18:44:52 08/28/02 Wed
Just a few points to be aware of:
- The security camera that was put up is too low. Anyone who is tall enough or has a ladder can take it down or break it.. well you get my point. Besides, the camera is only placed on one side of the building in only one direction. God forbid anyone gets mugged on the other side of the building (Broadway or the side parallel to Lawton) Heck I don't know the street name because I'm too afraid to go out.
- My apartment faces the Broadway side of the building. If any of you guys ever notice, there are always kids hanging out right by the bus stop on the B46 line at the corner across from the grocery store (for those who are confused, I mean diagnally across from this building). Those kids are probably the ones who prey on tenants of this building. I'm not sure but I realize that there is usually at least one kid on each corner of Lawton Street. There is one who always walks up and down Broadway and one at the side by the "pizza shop" and a couple at the bus stop. I'm not sure if they are linked but just be aware of this. Sometimes they are on bikes so be careful.
- I also had the opportunity to read John and Jenny's note. I think it is great that people in this building look out for each other.
- I didn't even know we had a temporary security guard. When did this happen? We need 24 hour security guard(s). What's the use of cameras only? If something happens outside the front door and no one is around then what? I would be happy to sign any petition that will be passed around.
- Lastly... party? on the roof? will we be shot?
[> Subject: Re: Be aware of surroundings


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Date Posted: 18:54:11 08/28/02 Wed
I guess you didn't meet Paul. He was a neighborhood guy that Pella hired for a couple of days, but without letting us know that someone we had never seen before would be standing against the wall at night with keys to our building. Figure that one out. He had a small baseball bat. Pella's idea of a security guard is a bit strange if you ask me, and Pella's lack of consideration for us is rather obvious. Wouldn't it have been only logical for us to be informed that a stranger would be hanging around with a bat and keys to our building?

Trying to deal with Pella rationally at the party? How do you figure (no offense meant here)? I ask because our landlord is notorious -- by all accounts I have heard -- for either reacting in an outrageously defensive manner or for reacting by simply pretending like he was never told about half of the things that have been going on.


>- I didn't even know we had a temporary security
>guard. When did this happen? We need 24 hour security
>guard(s). What's the use of cameras only? If something
>happens outside the front door and no one is around
>then what? I would be happy to sign any petition that
>will be passed around.
>- Lastly... party? on the roof? will we be shot?
Subject: Can everyone please email fifteenlawtonst@yahoo.com so we can start getting a list of emails


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Date Posted: 18:51:12 08/28/02 Wed
You don't write anything, just send a blank message and I will add all the addresses to the address book. Thanks.
Subject: I'm torn about leaving


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Date Posted: 18:48:18 08/28/02 Wed
Of course I've considered it, but it doesn't seem very likely for several reasons. I can't really afford to live anywhere else. I can't really afford to move. And I don't think we (yet) have legal justification for breaking our lease. What I would like to happen is for us to come up with some solutions so I don't have to move.
Subject: security


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Date Posted: 18:42:56 08/28/02 Wed
Cameras will not work unless there is someone watching the images...even if it actually RECORDS images, they will only be useful after something happens. Real cameras, pointing down the streets and at the doorways, with a guard watching, is best. Fake cameras might act as a deterrent, but they also might serve to alienate the community more from the building. And the thought of cameras in the hallways freaks me out...who will be able to see me throw out my trash, sing to my dogs, have a conversation or pee on the floor (just kidding.) The real issue for me is the walk from the train at night. Even in the daytime, it is depressing. At night it is nerve wracking. And Pella can't do anything about that.

Tearing notices off the wall, and knocking on doors to scold tenants for posting notes, is unacceptable. It is a breach of privacy, at best. At worst, it is censorship and abuse of power.

Obviously, Pella feels threatened by all of this. And I feel that this could spiral out of control. Pella is manipulative, and we need to beat it at its own game. A party on Pella's dollar is just an opportunity for us all to get together. I think that a formal boycott of the party is a war cry. (Of course, if I had been spoken to harshly by the landlord I would want him to fuck his party...so more power to you.) Are folks thinking of leaving the building? What is Pella really afraid of...losing tenants?
Subject: I disagree, I think the party would be a good place for us to talk to him


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Date Posted: 18:15:59 08/28/02 Wed
It's not going to do any good to piss him off at this point. At least not yet. Maybe that would be a good place to present the petition to him. Could we get it signed before then or are too many people away?
Subject: Not going....


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Date Posted: 18:10:16 08/28/02 Wed
I'd sign the petition. I'm not going to the party anyway. Pella is a greedy hypocrite.
Subject: It's better with real signatures...


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Date Posted: 18:08:56 08/28/02 Wed
It stands up on its own legally if we have actual signatures.
Subject: We never ended up passing the petition around.


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Date Posted: 17:56:29 08/28/02 Wed
Do enough people want to pursue that route? Here is what the petition would have said:
"I, the undersigned, feel strongly that we need increased building security, in the form of a security guard/doorman and external security cameras, at 15 Lawton Street, Brooklyn NY 11221. We urge Pella Realty to consider this matter and respond to this request in a timely manner."

Why don't people post their suggestions and we can make changes if needed. Maybe we can pass it around later this week. I think it would be more effective if we had actual signatures. Email fifteenlawtonst@yahoo.com if you want to help get signatures. Thanks!
Subject: The Party?


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Date Posted: 17:54:34 08/28/02 Wed
Should we all "boycott" the party to make a statement? Or should we attend to voice our concerns (although he might be familiar with them already)?
Subject: Email address


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Date Posted: 16:51:58 08/27/02 Tue
I have created an email address (fifteenlawtonst@yahoo.com) which you can email if you have any questions. If we can get people's emails into the address book we can send out emails to everyone quickly, easily and anonymously. We can also use the account to send emails to Pella Realty, without having to single ourselves out. If anyone would like the sign in information (password) for that account I will be happy to give it out. That way everyone can use the account to reach other tenants and Pella.
Subject: Hopefully we can use this forum constructively and maybe we can even get to know eachother better


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Date Posted: 16:49:25 08/27/02 Tue
If you are reading this you must have gotten my notice. Please post any and all of your ideas and concerns about the building here. We should also keep each other informed of any new incident's that occur, no matter how small. I was glad to see we had a bulletin board, but if all of our notices regarding safety are going to be removed before they are read than we need to find another way to communicate.
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