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Date Posted: 16:57:09 02/02/04 Mon
Author: Hero of Time
Author Host/IP: 68-119-244-175-rcp2.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com / 68.119.244.175
Subject: I have a problem with being taxed for charities....that's not what taxes are used for. In essence, they're like paying rent to live in the nation and use its benefits.
In reply to: Hierophant 's message, "Honestly......taxes suck, yes...but its a nessecary evil. I'm all for taxes it its put to good use. IE- To Charitys and such for Govn tax...and for State tax I'd like to see it go to the roads and such. Problem is that this is NOT visible anywhere. We've already seen how MANY charitys steal from people and don't use all thier money, Here in MO I haven't seen an improvement on the roads for YEARS. So yeah. As long as my tax dollars aren't being put to good use visible to me, give me my damn money back.....but if our tax money was being used for REAL needs instead of Congress Pay raises.....I'd be happy. I Don't mind helping to pay for the troops salarys. Thats cool....but I really doubt its even going there." on 11:13:23 02/02/04 Mon

You'd be surprised how much of taxes ARE being used for their purpose, but we don't see it. Consider that if someone robs you, shoots you, or sets your pad ablaze, your tax dollars will yield the proper emergency response. Whether or not you use it as often as you pay taxes is irrelevent...you still have it there, like insurance.

It's like programs in the Matrix : "The ones that are doing their job are invisible...you'd never know they were there."

I think. Maybe.

But yeah. Congresspeople can suck it. *L*

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[> [> [> [> Well, think of it this way: life is more important than money. -- Joe Taylor, 19:02:05 02/02/04 Mon (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)

This is why there're safety nets like welfare. Besides, police, defense, firefighting, roads, etc., are all public goods, which means that they can only be paid for from taxes, with the market either being unable to provide them or unable to provide them efficiently.


Come back to me when the top income tax rate is 75%.


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[> [> [> [> [> I dunno.....I'm rather fond of cash, and not too fond of other people..... -- Hero of Time, 05:18:36 02/03/04 Tue (68-119-244-175-rcp2.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.119.244.175)

That safety net has turned more into those 'water muscles'...once you start them, you don't want to let them go.

Huh?


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[> [> [> [> The socalled welfare is required for emergency situations - It could be less much less if there would be a right to get work and decent payment for it. -- Robert, 06:52:39 02/05/04 Thu (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)


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[> [> [> [> [> Um, Robert, how exactly can there be a right to work? -- Joe Taylor, 22:56:44 02/05/04 Thu (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)

I mean, technically there can be, but I don't see any place where there's full employment. There're always small things like seasonal unemployment (you don't really expect employers to pay Santa Clauses all the year 'round, do you?) and structual unemployment. It's just impossible to get full employment.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Also, people can quit their jobs because they get pissed, but nobody else happens to need any extra help. It happened to me for about a month, before I got this kickass factory job. -- Heroic Employer, 04:32:08 02/06/04 Fri (68-119-244-175-rcp2.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.119.244.175)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Just what I meant....:) -- Robert, 15:04:50 02/06/04 Fri (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

since you can't guarantee work, expecially nowadays with all the downsizing goining on, that people can get a job that is that provides their living, it's necessary to deal with the stuff in a different way. Obviously you can't let people starve if there aren't any jobs available.

Main problem today however is that due to automation fewer and fewer people are required to produce the stuff. What about the ones who are downsized?
Reducing the population will not work because then way too much stuff is produced, so that again people have to be downsized.

The complete economical system has to be reorganized. If the current line will go on the stuff will collapse within not too much time.


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