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Date Posted: 17:54:02 05/20/04 Thu
Author: Rabbi Stanley
Subject: Re: Gentile believers guarding Torah; fulfilment of prophecy
In reply to: Laura 's message, "Gentile believers guarding Torah; fulfilment of prophecy" on 19:59:21 05/14/04 Fri

Shalom Laura,
I appreciate your statements and questions.
We here at Mosaic Ministries are Mosaic Jews. We used to call ourselves Messianic Jews but that term has come to include even those who do not keep the Sabbath and the Feasts of G-d. I call them "Feasts of G-d" rather then the "Feasts of Israel" as they were not given by people... but by G-d Almighty Himself. As for the Gentiles who have made the decision to keep Torah and be a part of the Jewish people, they are part of the Congregation of Israel.
These Gentiles have chosen to identify with our people. They will enjoy the blessings of our people but also the afflictions.
As I've traveled across the world visiting many Messianic Synagogues I have found, as many of you are aware, that the Messianic congregations have more Gentiles in them then Jews. Many of these "Gentiles" will find out that they are indeed Jewish but they just didn't know it yet. Those who are truly Gentile will be just as much a part of us as any Jew. Just as in Biblical days... if a Gentile cam and was part of Israel (keeping the Law etc) they were considered as a Jew themselves. The Mishna even teaches that a Jew was not even to remind them that they were indeed once a Gentile.
Concerning the Pagan rituals which are practiced in Churches... there will come a time when G-d requires them. If they truly have a love for G-d, they will abandon their ways and discontinue their practices... otherwise... they will be cut off. I don't believe they will be exactly like their Messianic counterparts in the end days but they will have their place. There are different callings, one for the Jews and another for the Gentiles. Just as there are for males and females. In Yeshua we will be one, yet we will retain different callings.
As for the "Lost tribes"... There's no such thing. That is a term fabricated by man. G-d knows the number of hairs on our head, He's never lost a whole Jew let alone an entire tribe.
As far as there being uncontaminated Jewish blood (If I understand your question correctly), there doesn't exist a Jew of "pure blood". Because of the many wars throughout history in Israel, we are all mixed to some degree. Even Yeshua Himself had Gentile blood in His lineage yet He was the King of the Jews!
We have to love our Gentile Christian counterparts. I sometimes get angry of their pagan ways but I have to check myself and realize that they are moving at their own pace. G-d is trying to guide them and the Messianic movement has helped bring them closer to the truth but it is slow. My dad said something interesting concerning this. He said that today�s Gentile Church is like a ship without a rudder. It keeps going in circles around the bay and can't make its way out to the high seas. The rudder is laying right there on the beach, but they can't see it so they keep going aimlessly. We Messianics are the rudder and we have to attach ourselves to the boat so we can get them where they need to be. They don�t understand the ways of G-d as we do. Like in Paul�s day, we have to reach them and direct them. This may sound boastful, but the Bible shows that it is us who He chose us to deliver the Words of G-d. That has never changed!
The times have changed though, I remember when no one even knew the term Messianic. I know Messianic Rabbis today who grew up in church and they did everything the church did... they didn�t know any better. Someone had to show them. We have to be patient with the Gentile church. There are many good, G-d loving people there. They are still our brothers and sisters and should be treated as such.
I do appreciate your fervor Laura and I know in my spirit that G-d is with you and is and will use you mightily. You are welcome here anytime.
Shalom beHaShem,
Rabbi Stanley

>I am of the opinion, based on scripture alone, that
>gentiles who accept Yeshua of the Gospels and who
>guard the Torah and the prophets are the fulfillment
>of prophecy. Please see Gen 48:18-19, Isa 56:6-8, and
>Romans 11:25-26 for starters. These are not to boast
>against the natural branches. There is a phenomenon of
>late (growing exponentially it seems) of many
>"christians" coming out from the church, keeping
>Sabbath and the moedim, and rejecting all pagan
>connections to worship. Indeed they are saying, "Our
>fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, an
>there is no value in them." (Jer 16:19) I do not
>however consider lawless chistians who keep Sunday and
>pagan feasts instead of the appointed days as
>engrafted branches based on Matt 7:21-23 and Matt
>5:17-19. What is the consensus of this forum? Do you
>beleive that there are literal "lost tribes"
>uncontaminated with gentile ancestry comin home in the
>last days, or do you see the "fullness of the
>gentiles" as Isreal, based on the scriptures above as
>well as others?
>(I know this is a hot potato. But I never experienced
>resistance this strong when I was a harmless
>Christian. A small Sabbath keeping assembly now meets
>in our home. My relatives are up in arms.)

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Re: Gentile believers guarding Torah; fulfilment of prophecy -- Carol, 18:34:53 03/13/06 Mon
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