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Date Posted: 18:34:53 03/13/06 Mon
Author: Carol
Subject: Re: Gentile believers guarding Torah; fulfilment of prophecy
In reply to: Rabbi Stanley 's message, "Re: Gentile believers guarding Torah; fulfilment of prophecy" on 17:54:02 05/20/04 Thu

>I hope it is ok if I jump in on this conversation???? Based on your response to Laura's questions...I have some additional questions. What is the definition of "Mosaic Jew"? You also talk about Gentiles being a part of the Jewish community, how can this be achieved? We are blessed to have the internet to make connections such as this, but there is a lot of information out there, which may or may not be "the truth". I would like very much to leave "the church", to worship in a synagogue, study Torah, honor the Sabbath, and celebrate the feasts. All of which, I believe God commanded in the Bible, but was this command just given to the Jews? Some Rabbis have said, Gentiles should not keep the Sabbath, study Torah, or "live as a Jew", that that is a sin. I know scripture is "the truth", and I am trying to study but sometimes I just don't understand it and need help. I live in a small town, there aren't any Rabbis, synagogues, Messianic churches, in fact I don't know of a "soul" in town who feels the same pull that I feel. I have lots of christian friends, but they just don't seem to understand where I'm coming from. Thanks for any help.
Carol

Shalom Laura,
>I appreciate your statements and questions.
>We here at Mosaic Ministries are Mosaic Jews. We used
>to call ourselves Messianic Jews but that term has
>come to include even those who do not keep the Sabbath
>and the Feasts of G-d. I call them "Feasts of G-d"
>rather then the "Feasts of Israel" as they were not
>given by people... but by G-d Almighty Himself. As for
>the Gentiles who have made the decision to keep Torah
>and be a part of the Jewish people, they are part of
>the Congregation of Israel.
>These Gentiles have chosen to identify with our
>people. They will enjoy the blessings of our people
>but also the afflictions.
>As I've traveled across the world visiting many
>Messianic Synagogues I have found, as many of you are
>aware, that the Messianic congregations have more
>Gentiles in them then Jews. Many of these "Gentiles"
>will find out that they are indeed Jewish but they
>just didn't know it yet. Those who are truly Gentile
>will be just as much a part of us as any Jew. Just as
>in Biblical days... if a Gentile cam and was part of
>Israel (keeping the Law etc) they were considered as a
>Jew themselves. The Mishna even teaches that a Jew was
>not even to remind them that they were indeed once a
>Gentile.
>Concerning the Pagan rituals which are practiced in
>Churches... there will come a time when G-d requires
>them. If they truly have a love for G-d, they will
>abandon their ways and discontinue their practices...
>otherwise... they will be cut off. I don't believe
>they will be exactly like their Messianic counterparts
>in the end days but they will have their place. There
>are different callings, one for the Jews and another
>for the Gentiles. Just as there are for males and
>females. In Yeshua we will be one, yet we will retain
>different callings.
>As for the "Lost tribes"... There's no such thing.
>That is a term fabricated by man. G-d knows the number
>of hairs on our head, He's never lost a whole Jew let
>alone an entire tribe.
>As far as there being uncontaminated Jewish blood (If
>I understand your question correctly), there doesn't
>exist a Jew of "pure blood". Because of the many wars
>throughout history in Israel, we are all mixed to some
>degree. Even Yeshua Himself had Gentile blood in His
>lineage yet He was the King of the Jews!
>We have to love our Gentile Christian counterparts. I
>sometimes get angry of their pagan ways but I have to
>check myself and realize that they are moving at their
>own pace. G-d is trying to guide them and the
>Messianic movement has helped bring them closer to the
>truth but it is slow. My dad said something
>interesting concerning this. He said that today�s
>Gentile Church is like a ship without a rudder. It
>keeps going in circles around the bay and can't make
>its way out to the high seas. The rudder is laying
>right there on the beach, but they can't see it so
>they keep going aimlessly. We Messianics are the
>rudder and we have to attach ourselves to the boat so
>we can get them where they need to be. They don�t
>understand the ways of G-d as we do. Like in Paul�s
>day, we have to reach them and direct them. This may
>sound boastful, but the Bible shows that it is us who
>He chose us to deliver the Words of G-d. That has
>never changed!
>The times have changed though, I remember when no one
>even knew the term Messianic. I know Messianic Rabbis
>today who grew up in church and they did everything
>the church did... they didn�t know any better. Someone
>had to show them. We have to be patient with the
>Gentile church. There are many good, G-d loving people
>there. They are still our brothers and sisters and
>should be treated as such.
>I do appreciate your fervor Laura and I know in my
>spirit that G-d is with you and is and will use you
>mightily. You are welcome here anytime.
>Shalom beHaShem,
>Rabbi Stanley
>
>
>
>
>>I am of the opinion, based on scripture alone, that
>>gentiles who accept Yeshua of the Gospels and who
>>guard the Torah and the prophets are the fulfillment
>>of prophecy. Please see Gen 48:18-19, Isa 56:6-8, and
>>Romans 11:25-26 for starters. These are not to boast
>>against the natural branches. There is a phenomenon of
>>late (growing exponentially it seems) of many
>>"christians" coming out from the church, keeping
>>Sabbath and the moedim, and rejecting all pagan
>>connections to worship. Indeed they are saying, "Our
>>fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, an
>>there is no value in them." (Jer 16:19) I do not
>>however consider lawless chistians who keep Sunday and
>>pagan feasts instead of the appointed days as
>>engrafted branches based on Matt 7:21-23 and Matt
>>5:17-19. What is the consensus of this forum? Do you
>>beleive that there are literal "lost tribes"
>>uncontaminated with gentile ancestry comin home in the
>>last days, or do you see the "fullness of the
>>gentiles" as Isreal, based on the scriptures above as
>>well as others?
>>(I know this is a hot potato. But I never experienced
>>resistance this strong when I was a harmless
>>Christian. A small Sabbath keeping assembly now meets
>>in our home. My relatives are up in arms.)

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Re: Gentile believers guarding Torah; fulfilment of prophecy -- Rabbi Stanley, 02:31:56 03/22/06 Wed