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Date Posted: 09:57:09 12/03/04 Fri
Author: VIVIAN
Subject: Re: PASSION FILM
In reply to: VIVIAN 's message, "PASSION FILM" on 09:55:57 12/03/04 Fri

>Hi
>I'm a gentile Christian from the UK and would like to
>disagree with some of your comments about the Passion
>film.
>You felt it makes "all" the Jews look bad but not all
>the gentiles. I don't think this is true - John looks
>very good. So does Mary, Mary Magdalene, Simon of
>Cyrene (shown as being Jewish or part-Jewish in the
>film) Many of the common folk, the women along the
>street, "Veronica" etc etc. Also, its the first time
>I've seen Caiphus treated in a fairly sympathetic
>light - he starts off arrogant, but unlike the Romans,
>he is shown as starting to be touched by Jesus pain
>during the scourging, and finally being so affected by
>Him that he is shown as repenting - I doubt if that
>was true in history from what I've heard. St John
>(Jewish) says that Pilate did in fact try to let Jesus
>off -(was that because of his wife?) None of the Jews
>behave in the dreadful way that some of the Romans do
>- actually enjoying cruelty and laughing with pleasure
>at Jesus pain! I think it is very true and fair to the
>gospel accounts. Two of the Sanhedrin are shown as
>defending Jesus - Joseph of Aramathea and Nicodemas -
>I don't know if you noticed the look of amazement on
>Jesus face when Nicodemas speaks out on His behalf?
>When you are talking about "Jews" I can't help
>thinking you are using the term in a similar way that
>John used it - meaning the religeous officialdom from
>Judea. It is not the first time in Jewish history
>that the leaders of Israel have been corrupt and led
>the people astray - just as leaders all over the world
>do - including Christian leaders, who are the one's
>with most reponsibility for "re-crucifying Jesus in
>His people all down the centuries. During Jesus
>ministry He seemed to get on better with much more
>ordinary people - ordinary Israelis - especially in
>the North. Having been to Israel now, I can see some
>similarity in that situation today. Jesus loves the
>secular "Tel Aviv" people just as much as the orthodox
>in Jerusalem, and the secular ones seem to have much
>more feeling towards Jesus.
>There is something I would like to understand more - I
>have some knowledge of the terrible things we
>Christians have done to the Jews over the last 2000
>years. To me personally, I feel no end of grief (I
>cannot emphasise that too much) because whereas to me,
>the Cross of Jesus is the most wonderful marvelous
>expression of His personal love for me - I knew no
>love at all in the first part of my life, and then
>there was Jesus coming to me with His infinite but
>personal passionate love for me! And then, I found
>that to a Jew, the Cross means the opposite of love -
>it's like satan has tried to turn love into hate. So
>what I would like some comments on is: how can you
>tell a Jew that Jesus loves them so much He died for
>him? That He loves Jews so much He will never let them
>go, and had to go down to death with them because He
>could not bear to be parted from them? That the Jews
>are Jesus' first love? I mean I can tell a gentile
>who is in trouble that Jesus loves them, but doesn't
>it simply cause more pain to a Jew? What is the
>answer to this please?
>
>Vivian

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