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Date Posted: 22:28:18 12/06/04 Mon
Author: Rabbi Stanley
Subject: Re: PASSION FILM
In reply to: VIVIAN 's message, "PASSION FILM" on 09:55:57 12/03/04 Fri

Shalom in Him,
I appreciate your comments and I also see your love for the Jewish People. Many thanks for that.
When I said all the Jews, I meant all the Jewish leaders. I wasn't implying that it made Mary look bad or any of the followers of Yeshua. What I'm saying is that ALL the Jewish the leadership wasn't corrupt... and I don't mean only Joseph of Aramathea and Nicodemas. The Bible says they were "divided" concerning Yeshua... not all the leadership was against Him except for a couple of renegade leaders for example. I'm saying half or close to half of the leadership was for Yeshua! The way it is written in Greek and in its context, it wasn't meaning just a couple leaders were for Him. So now, looking back again... it made the leadership look bad. You yourself even pointed out that Yeshua looked surprised in the movie that a leader stood up for Him. In reality, Yeshua wasn't surprised, He knew who was for Him and He knew it was many leaders and all those leaders followers as well. That's why the other half of the leaders felt threatened. If it was just a couple leaders, that's no threat. If it's half of your ruling body, now that's a threat.
As far as Pilate is concerned, he was a rat. He was just as responsible as any of the Jews were. He had to be in order for it to be both Jew and Gentile who nailed Him to the tree. The film made him look like some poor misled uncertain party. No way, he was guilty!
As far as witnessing to Jews: Just say exactly to them what you just wrote to me
"a Jew that Jesus loves them so much He died for
>him? That He loves Jews so much He will never let them
>go, and had to go down to death with them because He
>could not bear to be parted from them? That the Jews
>are Jesus' first love?"
I thought that was well said.
Feel free to write anytime, it was a pleasure.
Shalom in Him,
Rabbi Stanley

>Hi
>I'm a gentile Christian from the UK and would like to
>disagree with some of your comments about the Passion
>film.
>You felt it makes "all" the Jews look bad but not all
>the gentiles. I don't think this is true - John looks
>very good. So does Mary, Mary Magdalene, Simon of
>Cyrene (shown as being Jewish or part-Jewish in the
>film) Many of the common folk, the women along the
>street, "Veronica" etc etc. Also, its the first time
>I've seen Caiphus treated in a fairly sympathetic
>light - he starts off arrogant, but unlike the Romans,
>he is shown as starting to be touched by Jesus pain
>during the scourging, and finally being so affected by
>Him that he is shown as repenting - I doubt if that
>was true in history from what I've heard. St John
>(Jewish) says that Pilate did in fact try to let Jesus
>off -(was that because of his wife?) None of the Jews
>behave in the dreadful way that some of the Romans do
>- actually enjoying cruelty and laughing with pleasure
>at Jesus pain! I think it is very true and fair to the
>gospel accounts. Two of the Sanhedrin are shown as
>defending Jesus - Joseph of Aramathea and Nicodemas -
>I don't know if you noticed the look of amazement on
>Jesus face when Nicodemas speaks out on His behalf?
>When you are talking about "Jews" I can't help
>thinking you are using the term in a similar way that
>John used it - meaning the religeous officialdom from
>Judea. It is not the first time in Jewish history
>that the leaders of Israel have been corrupt and led
>the people astray - just as leaders all over the world
>do - including Christian leaders, who are the one's
>with most reponsibility for "re-crucifying Jesus in
>His people all down the centuries. During Jesus
>ministry He seemed to get on better with much more
>ordinary people - ordinary Israelis - especially in
>the North. Having been to Israel now, I can see some
>similarity in that situation today. Jesus loves the
>secular "Tel Aviv" people just as much as the orthodox
>in Jerusalem, and the secular ones seem to have much
>more feeling towards Jesus.
>There is something I would like to understand more - I
>have some knowledge of the terrible things we
>Christians have done to the Jews over the last 2000
>years. To me personally, I feel no end of grief (I
>cannot emphasise that too much) because whereas to me,
>the Cross of Jesus is the most wonderful marvelous
>expression of His personal love for me - I knew no
>love at all in the first part of my life, and then
>there was Jesus coming to me with His infinite but
>personal passionate love for me! And then, I found
>that to a Jew, the Cross means the opposite of love -
>it's like satan has tried to turn love into hate. So
>what I would like some comments on is: how can you
>tell a Jew that Jesus loves them so much He died for
>him? That He loves Jews so much He will never let them
>go, and had to go down to death with them because He
>could not bear to be parted from them? That the Jews
>are Jesus' first love? I mean I can tell a gentile
>who is in trouble that Jesus loves them, but doesn't
>it simply cause more pain to a Jew? What is the
>answer to this please?
>
>Vivian

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