Re: WHO WAS JESUS ??? -- No to Noahides

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Date Posted: 03:30:46 08/07/03 Thu
Author: Ray
Subject: Re: WHO WAS JESUS ???
In reply to: QUITTNER 's message, "Re: WHO WAS JESUS ???" on 11:13:06 06/17/03 Tue

>Please explain what this thread, so far, has to do
>with the NOAHIDES???? With any of the covenants
>(contracts with God)?

I'll try Quittner.

Concerning convenants there are two. The Old Covenant was faith based just as is the New Testament. Circumcision was but a manifestation of faith. And no one was ever saved through circumcision if they didn't have the faith to go with it. All of the Old Covenant pointed toward Jesus. It was necessary to have the Law and the Prophets so that Jesus could come as the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophesies. If Jesus had come to a nation with no concept of what sin was it would be impossible for him to convince them that they needed forgiveness for those sins. So the Old Covenant was necessary. But it was incomplete alone.

Just as there could be no redeemer without the recognition of the need to be redeemed, in the same way, the recognition of the need to be redeemed would be totally futile and hopeless without the redeemer. Even the OT saints were saved by faith in the plan of redemption.

Job spoke of Christ. "I know that my redeemer liveth and shall stand on the earth in the latter days" All of the OT saints looked forward to the coming of Christ. Jesus told the Pharisees that if they believed Moses they would believe in Him because Moses spoke of Him. So did David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and other prophets. The Old Covenant was but a preparation for the New Testament. It was a physical illustration of the spiritual truth to come.

In Christ's time the Pharisees already had their oral tradition that would eventually (centuries later) be codified into the Mishnah and then twisted into the Talmud. Jesus made it clear that the oral tradition was not of God. "Ye by your traditions have made the Law of God of none effect, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men".

So now I turn your own question back to you. What in the world do the Talmudic Noahide Laws have to do with either of the 2 Covenants?

Ray

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Re: WHO WAS JESUS ??? -- QUITTNER, 12:21:18 08/07/03 Thu