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Subject: Re: Sayings from What the Bleep Do We Know


Author:
Philip Zuvanich
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Date Posted: 14:45:06 01/23/05 Sun
In reply to: Philip Zuvanich 's message, "Re: Sayings from What the Bleep Do We Know" on 23:34:24 01/22/05 Sat

As it happens... along the same lines, from George Carlin again...

Actually I think this is just for fun, but it's also pretty true, so it's also for serious discussion. I think George Carlin is serious in a lot of what he says, but why shouldn't you have some fun with such things... I intend to have as good a time as I can while discussing deep and important things.


THE TWO COMMANDMANTS

I have a problem with the Ten Commandments. Here it is: Why are there ten? We don’t need that many. I think the list of commandments was deliberately and artificially inflated to get it up to ten. It’s clearly a padded list.

Here’s how it happened: About five thousand years ago, a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to figure out how they could control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so these guys announced that God---God personally---had given one of them a list of ten commandments that he wanted everyone to follow. They claimed the whole thing took place on a mountain top, when no one else was around.

But let me ask you something: When these guys were sittin’ around the tent makin’ all this up, why did they pick ten? Why ten? Why not nine, or eleven? I’ll tell you why. Because ten sounds important. Ten sounds official. They knew if they tried eleven, people wouldn’t take them seriously. People would say, “What’re you kiddin’ me? The eleven commandments? Get the fuck outta here!”

But ten! Ten sounds important. Ten is the basis for the decimal system; it’s a decade. It’s a psychologically satisfying number: the top ten; the ten most wanted; the ten best-dressed. So deciding on ten commandments was clearly a marketing decision. And its’ obviously a bullshit list. In truth it’s a political document, artificially inflated to sell better.

I’m going to show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that’s a bit more logical and realistic. We’ll start with the first three, and I’ll use the Roman catholic version because those are the ones I was fed as a little boy.

I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME.

THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN.

THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH.

Okay, right off the bat, the first three commandments---pure bullshit. “Sabbath day,” “Lord’s name,” “strange gods.” Spooky language. Spooky language designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious mumbo jumbo like this apply to the lives of intelligent, civilized humans in the twenty-first century. You throw out the first three commandments, and you’re down to seven.

HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER.

This commandment is about obedience and respect for authority; in other words it’s simply a device for controlling people. The truth is, obedience and respect should not be granted automatically. They should be earned. They should be based on the parents’ (or the authority figure’s) performance. Some parents deserve respect. Most of them don’t. Period. We’re down to six.

Now, in the interest of logic---something religion has a really hard time with---I’m going to skip around the list a little bit:

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.

Stealing and lying. Actually, when you think about it, these two commandments cover the same sort of behavior; dishonesty. Stealing and lying. So we don’t need two of them. Instead, we combine these two and call it “Thou shalt not be dishonest.” Suddenly we’re down to five.

And as long as we’re combining commandments I have two others that belong together:

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY.

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBORS WIFE.

Once again, these two prohibit the same sort of behavior; in this case, marital infidelity. The difference between them is that coveting takes place in the mind. And I don’t think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else’s wife, otherwise what’s a guy gonna think about when he’s flogging his dong?

But marital fidelity is a good idea, so I suggest we keep the idea and call this commandment “Thou shalt not be unfaithful.” Suddenly we’re down to four.

And when you think about it further, honesty and fidelity are actually parts of the same overall value. So, in truth, we could combine the two honesty commandments with two fidelity commandments, and, using positive language instead of negative, call the whole thing “Thou shalt always be honest and faithful.” And now we’re down to three.

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S GOODS.

This one is just plain stupid. Coveting your neighbor’s goods is what keeps the economy going: Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays “O Come All Ye Faithful,” you want to get one, too. Coveting creates jobs. Leave it alone.

You throw out coveting and you’re down to two now: the big, combined honesty/fidelity commandment, and the one we haven’t mentioned yet:

THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Murder. The Fifth Commandment. But, if you give it a little thought, you realize that religion has never really had a problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.

To cite a few examples, just think about Irish history, the Middle East, the Crusades, the Inquisition, our own abortion-doctor killings and, yes the World Trade Center to see how seriously religious people take Thou Shalt Not Kill. Apparently, to religious folks---especially the truly devout---murder is negotiable. It just depends on who’s doing the killing and who’d getting killed.

And so, with all of this in mind, folks, I offer you my revised list of the Two Commandments:

First”

THOU SHALT ALWAYS BE HONEST AND FAITHFUL, ESPECIALLY TO THE PROVIDER OF THY NOOKIE.

And second:

THOU SHALT TRY REAL HARD NOT TO KILL ANYONE, UNLESS, OF COURSE THEY PRAY TO A DIFFERENT INVISIBLE AVENGER THAN THE ONE YOU PRAY TO.

Two is all you need, folks. Moses could have carried them down the hill in his pocket. And if we had a list like that, I wouldn’t mind that brilliant judge in Alabama displaying it prominently in his courthouse lobby. As long as he included one additional commandment:

THOU SHALT KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF!!!

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Katy
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Date Posted: 02:00:35 01/26/05 Wed

Amen!

And now, it's very late so this is my contribution since no one else has posted.

Once you can accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy.
--Albert Einstein

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michael
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Date Posted: 18:31:24 01/26/05 Wed

"Well its funny you should ask that, because I've just been reading a great big book about how to put your budgie down, and apparently you can either hit them with the book, or you can shoot them just there, just above the beak."

--burying the cat, Monty Python's Flying Circus

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michael
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Date Posted: 13:01:21 01/31/05 Mon

cricket sounds....
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If you understand, things are just as they are...
If you do not understand, things are just as they are....
- Zen Saying
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To act with understanding is to have a possibility of correct action. To act without understanding is to have no possibility of correct action.
- Michael
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People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.
- Helen Keller
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And here is the origin of the "shades of gray" philosophy of not reaching conclusions.
- Michael

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Beth
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Date Posted: 16:15:12 02/03/05 Thu

Good quotes.

"If you do it you’ll regret it, if you don’t do it you’ll regret it, either way your going to regret it, you might as well just do it."

I like this one, but then again I don't:

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not. Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence, determination and hard work make the difference." -- Calvin Coolidge

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Edie
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Date Posted: 20:11:01 02/04/05 Fri

What don't you like about that quote, Beth?

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Philip Zuvanich
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Date Posted: 18:03:00 02/05/05 Sat

Yeah Beth, why do you and why don't you, and which quote do you not like? The one previous to your comment, or following?

I suspect it's the following one because it says you gotta work hard, and you don't like that right? ;~)

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Beth
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Date Posted: 17:41:20 02/06/05 Sun

Yeah, it's that hard work and persistence thing that I don't like; I'm not good at that. I mean I don't mind working hard, but I don't take rejection well, so being persistent is where I have problems. You hear stories about how a guy sends a manuscript to so many publishers and gets rejected a gazillion times and then finally finds one who likes the story . . . yadda, yadda, yadda, and it gets published. I don't think I could do that.

I was going to ramble on some more, but I gotta go.

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michael
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Date Posted: 02:15:19 02/13/05 Sun

"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." Yoda

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michael
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Date Posted: 11:14:07 02/20/05 Sun

I saw a tag line on a political forum:

VENI, VIDI, VELCRO
"I came, I saw, I stuck around."

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Mom
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Date Posted: 14:22:03 02/25/05 Fri

More quotes from "What the Bleep Do We Know". What say you, Group W, to thses?

The power of Thought, the magic of the Mind!
- Lord Byron

You cannot see anything that you do not first contemplate as a reality. - Ramtha

The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes.
- William James

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Philip Zuvanich
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Date Posted: 08:34:02 02/27/05 Sun

Just my kneejerk reaction, but I object to the one by this Ramtha character. When did he say it? It may have been true once. Some things that come out of peoples imaginations is pretty far from any reality.

Oh sorry, for a minute there my mind blocked out the whole religious crowd, who think their religions are reality. From that viewpoint I can see how you could think so. ;~)

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Beth
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Date Posted: 15:59:47 02/27/05 Sun

Haha, so funny.

People imagine dragons, but did they ever really exist? I think most non-crazy people would say no. But ask a majority of people (who haven't ever seen God) if he exists and they'll say yes.

You non-religious people who only believe what you can see are limiting yourselves to a very small, ugly reality.

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Date Posted: 16:47:22 02/28/05 Mon

I ain't no holy roller as you all well know but as to the difference between dragons and God, when I see some evidence of dragons (bones, tracks, etc) I'm likely to believe in dragons. I think the world in all its complexity and variation as well as the rest of the universe constitute evidence that there is some kind of a Maker puttin' this stuff together. I might reconsider that opinion when I see a naturally occurring jigsaw puzzle tree that bears fruit consisting of thousand piece jigsaw puzzles of famous architecture, shrink-wrapped and marked for sale.

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Mom
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Date Posted: 22:49:01 03/02/05 Wed

I have to agree with Beth's last statement, although, as you all know, she and I don't agree on many things regarding this particular subject. This is another subject I am tired of defending. I KNOW what I know and I'm not going to change anyone's mind and no one is going to change mine, so I'm not arguing this subject anymore either.

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michael
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Date Posted: 09:26:13 03/10/05 Thu

"You cannot stay on the summit forever. You have to come down again.... One climbs and one sees; One descends and one sees no longer, but one has seen. There is an art of conducting oneself... by the memory of what one saw higher up. When one no longer sees, onc can still know."

Rene Daumal

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