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Date Posted: 10/12/09 7:23:42pm
Author: nelly
Subject: Re: we amy be asking the wrong questions
In reply to: Peter Eveleigh 's message, "we amy be asking the wrong questions" on 8/12/09 7:19:11pm

>
Anyone read the article on Christian Brothers Schools on the paper a little while ago. They were notorious for beating kids and sexual abuse (although not all of them).
The feeling was that this was linked to their celibacy and a dualistic belief that the flesh and spirit are seperate, one from god the other from the devil.
sound familiar ?

...i am not saying the ja ever reached the levels of abuse that went on in these places

>Much in this thread is over-stated and silly , but
>there is a kernel of truth in it.

>
>I have always thought it best to stay off the subject
>because if Noel was indeed gay, at least he lived a
>life consistent with his belief that to be gay was
>wrong. I think that is very sad, but he lived a life
>which we must assume was celibate, so unless people
>are saying being gay is wrong, I can't see what Noel
>did wrong in his own choice of lifestyle.
>
>However, I do think that the way he made marrieds feel
>like second class citizens in the kingdom of God, the
>way he made it incredibly difficult for people to
>court ("relate") and get married, the way people who
>wanted to marry were denigrated as if they were only
>marrying to have sex, the way that unmarried couples
>were split up and told to have no contact, the way
>that celibate was taught as the higher way, etc etc
>etc....
>
>
>was almost certainly born out of Noel's perception of
>sex (if not out of his own sexuality, whatever that
>was) and in that sense, whatever he believed or felt,
>he had a terribly destructive effect on many people's
>lives.

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an unhealthy repression of sexual feelings -- Peter Eveleigh, 10/12/09 7:33:35pm
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>> >Anyone read the article on Christian Brothers Schools >on the paper a little while ago. They were notorious >for beating kids and sexual abuse (although not all of >them). >The feeling was that this was linked to their celibacy >and a dualistic belief that the flesh and spirit are >seperate, one from god the other from the devil. >sound familiar ? > >...i am not saying the ja ever reached the levels of >abuse that went on in these places > > > >>Much in this thread is over-stated and silly , but >>there is a kernel of truth in it. > > >> >>I have always thought it best to stay off the subject >>because if Noel was indeed gay, at least he lived a >>life consistent with his belief that to be gay was >>wrong. I think that is very sad, but he lived a life >>which we must assume was celibate, so unless people >>are saying being gay is wrong, I can't see what Noel >>did wrong in his own choice of lifestyle. >> >>However, I do think that the way he made marrieds feel >>like second class citizens in the kingdom of God, the >>way he made it incredibly difficult for people to >>court ("relate") and get married, the way people who >>wanted to marry were denigrated as if they were only >>marrying to have sex, the way that unmarried couples >>were split up and told to have no contact, the way >>that celibate was taught as the higher way, etc etc >>etc.... >> >> >>was almost certainly born out of Noel's perception of >>sex (if not out of his own sexuality, whatever that >>was) and in that sense, whatever he believed or felt, >>he had a terribly destructive effect on many people's >>lives.
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