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Date Posted: 02:39:57 07/13/03 Sun
Author: Hendrik - 12 May 2003
Subject: Re: Kechari mudra
In reply to: Ron - 11 May 2003 's message, "Re: Kechari mudra" on 02:36:11 07/13/03 Sun

As I stated on my website the quote from the Tibetan Master was given to show that Masters from other traditions recognize that there is a gap between the top of the spine and the medulla oblongata. So there was no reason for you to expect the Tibetan to mention kechari mudra.

You gave this quote not merely to show that other traditions recognize the supposed gap, but in order to support your theory that Kechari has extraordinary qualities that exceed its function as facultative help during practice of higher Kriyas. Right after the quote by DK you write in the very next line, "The practice of kechari mudra bridges that gap." - but without providing evidence why it should do so.


"Kechari mudra does have the benefits you mentioned. But there are others as well that you do not know and I am not at liberty to tell you, though I wish I could."

"I mentioned that kechari mudra has other functions beside bridging the gap. It is its functions in performing higher kriyas that make it essential to achieve before the higher kriyas can be given. What those functions are is a secret of the higher initiations."

"A few years ago, I thought the same way you did until I learned why it was necessary for higher kriyas and that there really is a gap that has to be bridged."

These are statements without significance obviously made for the sake of obfuscation. One who does not know pretends to know but using some pretext refuses to give a precise answer in an attempt to show off.

I recall you making a series of similar statements some years ago regarding some other issue, "One person has told me... but I am not allowed to disclose his identity", "I have been witness of an act of immoral behavior, but my sense of dignity does not permit me indulging in such levels of smut, hence I will not satisfy your greed for sensations" etc. - Your allegations then were rejected by other participants in the discussion because you repeatedly refused to mention your sources. You are a fine academic person.


Perhaps if you do some more research you can identify them.

There are any number of fairy-tales and speculations regarding the effects of Kechari Mudra. Two years ago we had several discussions about this here on the board; I do not know whether they can still be found in the archives.

The question is not which feats Kechari enables one to perform, but whether Kechari has a significance for the practice of higher Kriyas apart from being a help in going inward.


"The statement was made because many kriyabans are unaware that such a gap exists."

"Apparently, the people you talked to did not know the role kechari mudra plays in performing the higher kriyas."

"Most kryabans don't know about the gap between the top of the spine and the medulla oblongata."

The people I talked to were Kriyabans from several Kriya branches. When they are able to practice Kechari, why should they be required to learn how it works? They did practice Kechari. I do not see in what way either knowledge or ignorance about its supposed proper role in Kriya should make any dramatic difference as far as its effect on them is concerned. Traditionally Indian spiritual teachers don't give long explanations on how a technique works anyway, some no explanation at all; they merely explain how it is to be performed.


I understand that a couple of years ago the renunciate Shailendra desired to obtain a laptop computer. With financial help from his foreign disciples or students he should own such a toy by now, and also have access to the Internet. As a renunciate he ought to have plenty of time to elaborate on Kechari himself - I wonder why he requires a foreign speaker to do the job.


Here is a story I have read today and of which at first I thought it might be relating to Shailendra. The psychic in the story however is able to distinguish between occultism and yoga, and the American scholar innocent because inexperienced in such matters.

In his book Zen: Dawn in the West Philip Kapleau Roshi relates:


This professor had gone to India to find an enlightened master. One day in his search for the elusive guru he came upon a crowd in a small village. Edging his way toward the center he saw an ordinary-looking Indian giving a demonstration of psychic powers. Seeing the American, the psychic proceeded to give him a life reading, telling him things about himself and his wife and children that he could not have known beforehand. It was the professor's first direct experience with extrasensory perception, and he was dumbfounded. Another unusual thing happened: The psychic would not accept a donation from the professor as he had from others to whom he gave readings.

After the demonstration the psychic called the professor aside and told him the following:

"Have you not come to India to seek Self-realization?"

"Yes."

"You are different from most foreigners I have met in India, so permit me to give you some heartfelt advice. You were impressed by my power to know your past and present, but for me this is nothing remarkable. I have had these siddhis [psychic powers] since I was a child, and my father before me had them. Believe me when I tell you that when I was a young man I had deep religious aspirations like yourself. But because people flocked to me for readings - and my father encouraged me to use my powers to help support our large and poor family - my yearning for spiritual liberation fell by the wayside. Now I am an old man and despite my natural psychic intuitions no closer to Self-realization than I was forty-five years ago."

In India you will find many psychics who pose as realized holy men, but you must not be deceived by them. The psychic has merely been in touch with the subtle manifestations of God's presence. The holy man has seen God himself.


Hendrik

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  • Re: Kechari mudra -- Shivanath - 12 May 2003, 02:40:37 07/13/03 Sun
  • Re: Kechari mudra -- Hendrik - 12 May 2003, 02:41:39 07/13/03 Sun
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