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] Date Posted: 16:24:18 01/06/05 Thu In reply to: Ed Harris (London) 's message, "Dear God" on 16:22:55 01/06/05 Thu Many unionists in different parts of Britain consider themselves to belong to different nations. What's wrong with that? Why is it incompatible with being in the UK? Why the big need to get rid of nations and cultures? Isn't this what we hear people say the EU intends to do? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:37:29 01/06/05 Thu Britain is a nation, forged from three others. I am a British nationalist, proub of my nation (Britain). I also happen to be Welsh. Germany was made up of different nations, but thye are nited now as one nation, the smae can be said for the UK. Have you never heard politicians refer to THE nation? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:39:44 01/06/05 Thu "Have you never heard politicians refer to THE nation?" Yes. And sometimes they do it referring to England alone. Both usages are to be heard. I don't see why the English have a problem being a nation... why not? A happy union of nations sounds better than an unhappy union of denied ones. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:21:50 01/06/05 Thu ...which would encourage Scottish/English/Welsh/NI identity within the union. The constituent parts of the UK, and potentially FC would have identities just as strong as they have today. You do not need legal nationhood to have identity. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:11:50 01/06/05 Thu The FC would actually be just an expanded UK. Instead of a union of just England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, we would add Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Seven instead of four (and potentially more). Then, we would complete devolution by making the whole thing a federation with national parliaments for all and a federal parliament for the whole union. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:42:40 01/06/05 Thu ... I am amazed to hear the UK defined as something other than a nation. It is a nation with four countries in it, or, alternatively, a country with four nations in it. However you muck about with the words, it has one head of state, a central parliament and civil service, one army, one navy, once air force, one seat at the UN, ditto NATO. There are, I concede, many people who wish that this were not the case, but until Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein and the SNP get their way, we're just going to have to live with it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:41:56 01/06/05 Thu Do you think that the Scottish and Welsh football and rugby teams etc should be abolished by law? When is a nation not a nation? The Soviet Union wasn't one. The Spanish aren't one. You could make good cases the same way for India, and certainly the west of "China" [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:18:30 01/06/05 Thu Spain IS a nation, it just happens to include people within its borders who disagree. Tibet and Sianking are ntaions that happened to be ruledby another (same with basque and other minor palces in Spain), this does not stop China from being a nation, you could say though that itisnt a nation-state. Oh and BTW I would like to see the Welsh and Scottish sports teams abolished. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:21:37 01/06/05 Thu The Catalans and Basques are nations... "Oh and BTW I would like to see the Welsh and Scottish sports teams abolished." I'd like to see you try. Then you'd see democracy in action. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:26:30 01/06/05 Thu I dont dney Basques and Catalans are ANtions, but thats no reason to deny Spain its nationhood. Like China you could say it isnt a nation-state. And yes a refferendum to megre the sports temas would fail miserably. But its something to consider for the future. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |