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Subject: Canada-UK Populations


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 12:23:46 12/10/04 Fri
In reply to: Owain (UK) 's message, "Britain and Canada" on 08:37:36 12/10/04 Fri

Canada's current population is 32 million.
UK's current population is 60 million.

The UK could afford to drop its population by a few million because of its limited space. Canada and Australia have plenty of room to take them. British domination would fade away and the federation would become a partnership of equals - a much better relationship than Canada joining up with the USA.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: There's plenty room in Scotland


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 12:37:47 12/10/04 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Jim, please end this nutty myth that Australia has lots of space for more migrants!!!!!!!!!!


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 14:06:17 12/10/04 Fri

Australia looks big on the map, but it is MOSTLY DESERT.
Australia is the DRIEST inhabited continent on the planet. There is NOT ENOUGH WATER TO GO AROUND.
Sydney is on pretty much permanent water restrictions.
Droughts and bushfires are increasingly common.

Maybe Brits like drinking and washing in sand, or maybe they all have solar powered water desalination plants, but otherwise please don't tell them that Australia has lots of room for more migration.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Canada does - except we all in live in the south


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Jim 9Canada)
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Date Posted: 14:18:13 12/10/04 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Quite


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 14:54:47 12/10/04 Fri

I've often thought that Australia is rather like Cornwall: inhabited all round the edges but more or less empty and uninhabitable in the middle.

But of course in Britain itself there are those who argue that we need more and more people. There is, after all, a labour-shortage, which I think is pretty much unique in the developed world. The snag is that there is also a housing shortage. A Singaporean chap (well, British, but you know what I mean) said the other day, "It would be fine if Britain just got with the programme and built upwards like everyone else." He's got a point there; but then taipans always like big shiny buildings for some reason.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: We got space...


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Brent (Canada)
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Date Posted: 02:25:08 12/11/04 Sat

* Second largest nation in the world, by land mass.

* By some estimates, possessing up to 30% of the world's supply of fresh water.

* If one fully accounts for each drop of oil in the Alberta Tar Sands, more potential petroleum reserves than the combined reserves of OPEC.

Surprised that some of you haven't been busting down the door to get here...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: ...


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 02:35:54 12/11/04 Sat

Well, I take a line through Churchill: he said that if ever Britain fell to Europe, he'd be in the first boat across the Atlantic to Canada to carry on from there. Hope there's still room for me Westside when Blair signs the EC constitution.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: He has already signed it...


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Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 12:04:02 12/11/04 Sat

All he needs is for the British to approve it, which in all honesty is unlikely.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I would be happy to find homes in the Toronto area, right by the lake, for any of you that would want to come


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 14:57:52 12/11/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I would be happy to vouch for any Commonwealth brethren!


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Brent (Canada)
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Date Posted: 03:04:54 12/14/04 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Unfortunately we mighty as well be from Somalia trying to get into Canada.


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Nick (UK)
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Date Posted: 12:57:37 12/14/04 Tue

Canada operates a points system and only takes people skilled in trades it especially needs at any one time. This tends to be quite difficult for most British people who aren't terribly skilled in toilet cleaning.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well...


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 13:28:18 12/14/04 Tue

I will try and claim political asylum from Tony Blair's dishonest, hypocritical, Authoritarian and spiteful Government...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Canadian points awarded....


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 14:44:27 12/14/04 Tue

I have a superb talent for taking up large amounts of space unncecessarily. Since this is what Canada self-evidently needs most, I think that I should be a shoe-in.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, I am a Tory Riding President, and my MP is considered one of the closest people to Tory Leader Stephen Harper, AND it's a minority government, so who knows...


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Brent (Canada)
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Date Posted: 03:11:31 12/15/04 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Stephen Harper


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 17:39:19 12/15/04 Wed

Brent:

We need you to put together a policy proposal that will further our aims that your MP can discuss with Stephen Harper. If we can get Stephen motivated on it, we can start to move on this.

I suggest a go-slow approach at the moment. Don't mention federation at this point, yet. Perhaps start with negotiating a free trade arrangement for Canada with the Australia/New Zealand CER, CARICOM and the EU to begin with. Have all of these overseen by some type of trade council which can lead to building new political ties.

The Conservatives have got to be made to realise that Canadians do not want further economic integration with the US and that policy will only lead to the party remaining in opposition. However, the above proposal will diversify our trade more, create a lot more jobs, and can help the Conservatives get to power.

I would be more than happy to back you up on this with letters to Stephen Harper. Let's discuss it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Actually, Jim...


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Brent (Canada)
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Date Posted: 18:58:21 12/17/04 Fri

...both Scott Reid (Lanark-Frontenac-Lennox and Addington) and Daryl Kramp (Prince Edward-Hastings) have indicated interest in my Commonwealth Free Trade tome and have indicated that they will be attending the book launch, to be held in the new year...still waiting on the publisher...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Excellent news, Brent


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 21:45:12 12/17/04 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Water Supply


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David (Australia)
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Date Posted: 02:36:26 12/11/04 Sat

You are right that there are significant water supplly challenges in Australia at present, although there is capacity for increased supply. For some reason, our politicians seem to have a great fear of building dams. Personally, I see nothing wrong with them. Water recycling which is presently being used in Singapore also has great potential (although most of our politicians lack the vision to try it). I think eventually our politicians will realise that nuclear power is actually an environmentally friendly power source and thus we will be able to operate desalinisation plants without creating global warming, this may be 20-30 years away though. Perhaps importing fresh water from Canada via a pipeline would be an option?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If there is no rain to fill one dam, there is no rain to fill two


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 03:10:47 12/11/04 Sat

Dams also destroy ecosystems, which we can ill afford: Australia has already done enough damage to itself over these last two centuries, raising water tables and destroying land through salination.

We need to make people get over this daft prejudice against recycled water, we need to encourage the use of rainwater tanks in our cities, we need to make sure that people stop using drinking water to wash cars and water gardens.

Nuclear desalination may be helpful, but I think recycling is the way to go, and it will only take off when people grow out of their stupid wasteful ways.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I'm happy with our current level of resources and population


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Michael J. Smith (Canada)
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Date Posted: 21:07:31 12/15/04 Wed

Some writers in the past have written about Canada's paltry population and our ability to easily accomodate a billion people, that, even if it only had a 100 million, it would be a great power. But I'm not a strong proponent of opening the doors and turning this country into an overpopulated parking lot just for the sake of national glory and power; I would rather preserve our abundance of things and maintain our high quality of life. Call me blissfully greedy. Christ, I love the open country. Let no man put asunder.

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