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Subject: CANZUK?


Author:
David Hicks
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Date Posted: 21:54:03 11/27/04 Sat
In reply to: Paddy (Scotland) 's message, "CANZUK" on 17:52:24 11/26/04 Fri

if you wish to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past, don't talk about CANZUK, talk about CANZ + all the individual countries within the UK!!! My two "Euro cents"...

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[> [> Subject: Hardly an elegant shorthand


Author:
Ian (Commonwealth of NSW, VIC, QLD, WA, SA, TAS, NT and ACT)
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Date Posted: 23:02:51 11/27/04 Sat

Exactly which mistakes do you mean?

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[> [> Subject: Sorry, what? The UK is as singular nation as Canada; if the majority felt otherwise, then it wouldn't be.


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 00:38:23 11/28/04 Sun


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[> [> Subject: You mean, CANZEWSNI? Sounds like a Polish swear-word


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 00:50:06 11/28/04 Sun

Besides, even CANZUK is just a convenient shorthand to save us the bother of writing of writing out "Canada, Austalia, Zew Zealand and the United Kingdom" all the time. I don't think that anyone is seriously proposing 'CANZUK' as the official name for a federal commonwealth. Apart from the awkwardness of the acronymn, it suggests the existence of four distinct countries, which is not what it's all about, is it?

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[> [> [> Subject: "four distinct countries"


Author:
Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 11:53:31 11/28/04 Sun

I'm not sure whether CANZUK is about four distinct countries, or seven distinct countries, or something (conceptually) beyond. I rather like the idea of a federation of provinces where everyone (Victorian, Scot, New Zealander, Albertan, East Midlander) has the same relationship to a global identity, but I can't help thinking that it is unlikely to start at that point.

Our national identities are already pretty well established emotionally, and I feel it may take generations to build up to another stage. After all, it took time for the australian colonies to feel that they were all "Australian" together.

CANZUK as the official name? No, can't see that. As a common usage? Yeah, why not? I don't think it is so ugly as all that.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: one country


Author:
Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 19:33:15 12/01/04 Wed

I believe Britain to be a single country, not four.

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[> [> Subject: A federation of kingdoms


Author:
Michael J. Smith (Canada)
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Date Posted: 21:21:04 11/29/04 Mon

Not to beat a dead horse here, but the United Kingdoms of the Commonwealth (UKC) is my preference; multiple kingdoms united by a common monarch. Let me hear you chant it: "UKC, UKC, UKC, UKC!..."

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[> [> [> Subject: Or perhaps the Federal United Kingdoms of the Commonwealth ?


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 21:52:08 11/29/04 Mon

Then again, the acronym isn't so appealing.

If we could drag the word "British" away from its geographical meaning towards a more global-cultural meaning, we could call the thing "the British Federation", but I think we still face the odd obstacle or two for the moment.

For the meantime, I'll stick with CANZUK as a hook to hang my ideas on.

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[> [> [> Subject: name


Author:
Joel (UK)
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Date Posted: 14:26:37 11/30/04 Tue

I prefer it switched the other way round...
The Commonwealth of United Kingdoms

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