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Date Posted: Wed, 01/ 1/03 6:55pm
Author: Steve Russell
Subject: Re: 'n here's yer work, steve :)
In reply to: tso 's message, "Re: 'n here's yer work, steve :)" on Wed, 01/ 1/03 11:27am

>dangit! steve..it's about as hard ta git a straight
>answer outta you as it is ta pull off ticks in a
>blackberry patch!
>
All it takes is a clear question.

>is an innocent bystanders' rights being infringed on
>when they are cuffed just for the cops' safety?
>
No. The necessity is tested by what the cops know--not by what the innocent bystander knows, and the way you phrase it the cops really are doing it because the reasonably fear for their safety. The objective truth of the matter makes no difference. I'm curious how it is you think the rule could be otherwise.

>oh, yeah, i saw those texas cops in action, right on
>color, big screen, t.v.
> in houston '81, they televised a mental patient on
>the street in front of the police station. he was
>hugging a lightpole and he had a knife, making
>motions. he never offered to move from where he was at.
>about 12/15 cops were standing 'bout 30/40 ft away.
>one cop shot and they ALL opened up. the guy was dead
>before he hit the ground. he had over 20 bullets in
>him.

You didn't see it on TV when a drunken Scot tourist knocked on some Houstonian's back door, got blown away, and the grand jury refused to indict.

What does either incident have to do with your question?

Steve

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