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Subject: Re: Moors comments on candidates... Author: Greg Moors [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 00:23:29 04/17/03 Thu Author Host/IP: Toronto-HSE-ppp3660624.sympatico.ca/65.95.145.13 In reply to: Mike Redmond 's message, "Re: Moors comments on candidates..." on 13:41:20 04/16/03 Wed Hey Mike, Since last posting I did think of an economy where 99% of the population had post secondary education – Cuba. I visited there a couple of years ago. I had a very pleasant lawyer as my waiter at dinner and a charming young architect who made up my room each morning. Is this the sort of prosperity Mr. Prentice is talking about? Your ‘hewers of wood and drawers of water’ reference is quaint but the fact of the matter is you need industry to support these knowledge workers. Our current trend toward a branch plant economy a la NAFTA has demonstrated just that with the glut of unemployed knowledge workers we already have. It’s fine to quote Bricklin and BC Ferries and say “Tried that, didn’t work” but I think most Canadians aren’t as quick to give up. Most are made of stronger stuff. And personally, I think both those projects failed because of too much government interference and in the case of Bricklin, too much of whatever he was snorting. In response to why someone hasn't made a go of it, I recommend you rent the movie Tucker. In any event, we couldn't do it under NAFTA even if we were collectively inclined and could make a profit at it because the big three could sue Canada for billions for carving into their oligopoly. Don't you have a problem with this? I sure do. But I digress. Despite what the neo-cons like to spew, Orchard is not about nationalizing industry. He’s about creating an environment where domestic private industry can thrive. He's about stopping the subsidies to US car makers but if subsidies are required to make the auto industry work in Canada we should at least be giving them to a Canadian company so the profits from those grants stay in and are taxed in Canada. Orchard (and I share this feeling) doesn't hate Americans. Where is it written that just because you don't want to be American or get screwed by an American government that you hate Americans? I'm sorry Mike, it's just more neo-con rhetoric. I challenge you to find me a quote where Orchard supports Milosovic or Hussain. Just because one doesn't think America was justified in invading these countries doesn't mean one supports the policies of the dictators that control them. On not drafting policy documents, it is true Mr. Orchard has not. Because of the grass roots nature of our organization, we simply do not have the resources that Mr. Prentice and others who are cosy with big business interests do. As a result we have to display more fiscal conservatism in running his campaign than the neo-conservatives, which I find entertainingly ironic. But even if we had those resources we wouldn’t do it. Mr. Orchard doesn’t feel it is the leaders job to write policy in a democratic party. He lays out the broad strokes of his vision and lets the membership who have more intimate knowledge in those areas work out the details of implementation – that’s yet another example of leadership. With respect to NAFTA, chapter 11 is not the only problem and it’s certainly not an obsession. It is simply an easily demonstrated example. More concerning is the fact that US industry will be able to dictate our level of safety standards for medicine and consumer products. Or how about the fact that when the next energy crisis comes Canadians will be on bicycles and stoking our wood stoves while we pump millions of gallons of crude and natural gas south due to proportional supply convents. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date Re: Moors comments on candidates... Mike Redmond 12:22:36 04/17/03 Thu Re: Moors comments on candidates... Michael Watkins 20:12:24 04/23/03 Wed Re: Moors comments on candidates... Michael Watkins 20:49:26 04/23/03 Wed Re: Moors comments on candidates... -- J.C., 02:39:29 04/26/03 Sat Re: Moors comments on candidates... -- Michael Watkins, 16:39:41 04/26/03 Sat