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WELCOME TO THE VENT BOARD

VENT IF YOU MUST - BETTER YET
BE GOOD AND BE HAPPY - - BECAUSE HAPPY IS GOOD!

This board exists so that other message boards can remain friendly open forums where people can meet, discuss, debate, be entertained, seek or give help without the distraction of personal arguments they have no interest in.

Depending on your Country of residence, threats of almost any nature may be considered illegal, whether they are carried out or not. Other then that, feel free to vent or yell about any subject and/or engage in verbal abuse of one another - whatever trips your trigger,
- likewise others may do the same thing - so if you toss dirt don't be surprised if some comes flying back your way. Feel free to have fun here too. It's even ok to be civil and enjoy each other's company.

The posting of personal information ie. home address, phone number etc., is not permitted and will be removed.

If you wish your posting(s) removed please email the board administrator, include the subject, author, date and time of post.

                                                               


WE SHALL TRY AGAIN  -  THE FORUM IS AGAIN UNMODERATED.

I'LL BE CHECKING THE BOARD AT LEAST ONCE PER DAY AND IF THERE ARE FLAMES OR MESSAGES RELATING IN ANY WAY TO THE RECENT FLAME WAR HERE THEY WILL BE REMOVED AND THE BOARD MODERATED AGAIN. RB PLEASE BEHAVE.






Subject: Never Step On A Duck !!!


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: Friday, July 12 2002, 13:55:56 GMT ( - 8 )

Just thought you might like this ....

Never Step On A Duck !!!

Clarence, Billy Bob and Bubba were travelling through Europe on military leave when they came across a strange old town,
protected by an ancient stone wall. They were getting hungry, and decided to stop and look for something to eat. A guard dressed in heavy leather and chain mail met them at the gate. "You may enter," said the guard, "But we have one rule here: Never step on a duck. If you step on a duck, you will be punished!" Clarence, Billy Bob, and Bubba thought this was strange, but since they were hungry they passed through the gate, and found that there were ducks everywhere! It was a impossible to keep from stepping on one!
It was only a matter of time when Clarence accidentally stepped on a duck. Suddenly, a troop of guards stormed down the street and carried him away in chains! He was taken to prison and thrown into a cell with the meanest, ugliest woman you ever saw!

Billy Bob and Bubba saw this, and were extremely careful not to step on any ducks, but sure enough, it was only a few minutes until Billy Bob stepped on one! Billy Bob was immedietly chained to a woman even uglier than the first one; She was fat, and dirty, and nagged constantly!

By this time Bubba was afraid to even take a step! It took him a half an hour just to walk a single block. Suddenly, for no reason, a guard ran up to Bubba and chained him to the most beautiful woman he had ever seen! She was tall, with blue eyes and long blonde hair, and wore a stunning red dress, all decked out in diamonds and gold! She must have been a princess! Bubba couldn't believe his eyes!

"What did I ever do to deserve this?" asked Bubba.
"I don't know what you did," said the princess, "But I stepped on a duck!"

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[> Subject: A brave attempt to step on a duck.


Author:
bratttyratty
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Date Posted: Friday, July 12 2002, 18:41:03 GMT ( - 8 )

Being a convinced blueist and anti-pinkist I believe that there is a kind of duck ( pink) every honest citizen must step on. Yes.
PINK DUCKyou are a BAD BOY!
You stole my friend's name!
That was unfair!!!unconstitutional!!!gross!!!
I gonna avenge
WAIT AND TREMBLE
                ( brave little rat)

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[> [> Subject: Perhaps little rattybratty your friend had the audacity to steal one my names - having used them all for hundreds of yrs I think it obvious that it is he who is guilty. Now be dormant or perhaps find yourself a sexy blue gerbil and have fun!! - rats tremble - ducks quack up!


Author:
<:) frazzled pink duck
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 4:55:31 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: thats funny Rick - I think - I'm sure when I gave that minor kingdom away the penalty for steping on a duck was life on the 3rd rock from the sun without possibility of parole! guess they changed it - bunch of liberals! oh Rick could I interest you in a cute lil Rat as a pet?


Author:
<:) frazzled pink duck
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 4:58:40 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: I glad you like it ...but about the little RAT as a pet ...JUST HOW CUTE IS HE ??


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 7:00:15 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: It doesn't matter who was first!!!


Author:
bratttyratty
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 13:43:45 GMT ( - 8 )

( The old russian wisdom: Either he stole a coat or his coat was stolen anyway he was involved in a theft)
You was involved in thetheft and must be punished!
WAIT and TREMLE
( tomorrow...)

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[> [> Subject: Hey guys .... I didn't mean to start a war ...I just thought you would like a little laugh that all ...


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 16:16:51 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: Sorry Rick I didn't intend to start a new world war..


Author:
bratttyratty
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 21:53:25 GMT ( - 8 )

But some little local war isn't too bad thing, is it? It makes brain sparkle and blood bubble. And your story gave me not little but huge fun.
To pink duck:
An ant and an elephant?! Well, we'll see...maybe in hour or two, I'm almost ready. And don't think your hundreds of years give you any advantage! Wisdom depends not on age ( wasted aimlessly by quacking) but on a balanced diet containing pink poultry.

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[> [> Subject: I wonder if the brat is going to enjoy his spanking as much as I'm going to enjoy turning him over my knee - assuming of course bratty is a he? I'll probably refrain for the duck to retaliate against the lil brat would be the equivalent of using an elephant to step on an ant! p.s. this duck does not steal nor have too - all that there is belongs to me anyway


Author:
<:)pinky the bad duckie
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 16:22:58 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: well you two have fun ....just glad I could help you out ... but don't hurt him to much ...I still might want him for a pet ... :)


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 20:55:30 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: replica handbags


Author:
replica handbags (fdgfdg)
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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 06 2010, 18:09:20 GMT ( - 8 )

There’s no denying the appeal of a classic replica handbags . Whatever style you choose, a louis vuitton handbags emanates timeless style and sophistication. Since the fashion louis vuitton bags house started operations in 1854, thousands of chic women around the globe have indulged in these classic styles. In addition to the world’s most distinctive handbags, the designer also offers coordinating lv .

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[> Subject: Sorry rick I didn't intend to start a new world war...


Author:
bratttyratty
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 22:02:58 GMT ( - 8 )

But some little local war isn't too bad thing, is it? It makes brain sparkle and blood bubble. And your story gave me not little but huge fun.
To pink duck:
An ant and an elephant?! Well, we'll see...maybe in hour or two, I'm almost ready. And don't think your hundreds of years give you any advantage! Wisdom depends not on age ( wasted aimlessly by quacking) but on a balanced diet containing pink poultry.

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[> [> Subject: well all I gotto say is ..if you are going to eat pink poultry ...You better be careful because it might just bite back ...


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 13 2002, 22:09:50 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: It might give him dysentery!!! LMFAO


Author:
Mitchell
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 14 2002, 5:06:56 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Hey there have been lots that have eaten this Pink Duck - and it does make something sparkle and the blood sure does bubble somewhere rather obvious - however if they use their teeth I STOP THEM VERY QUICKLY!! ouch!!


Author:
<:) frazzled pink duck
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 14 2002, 7:14:49 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: test test test a quacking test


Author:
me
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Date Posted: Tuesday, April 20 2010, 21:13:25 GMT ( - 8 )

This is a test to see where this goes probably nowhere.

then again possibly somewhere

ho hummm

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Subject: RICH GET OFF MY MESSAGE BOARD ASOF TODAY


Author:
DESERNITY (ASSHOLE)
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Date Posted: Saturday, March 20 2010, 20:26:56 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: IHATEALLOF YOU ASOFNOW


Author:
DESERNITY (FUCKING STUPID ASSHOLE)
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Date Posted: Monday, March 15 2010, 9:17:44 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Prayers


Author:
It's Only Me from Across the Sea
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Date Posted: Wednesday, September 12 2001, 2:02:26 GMT ( - 8 )

I spent yesterday not "praying" but hurting. I tried to pray. God will understand that. I have tried to pray for the fools, the madmen, the perpetrators too. I find this hard.

My main prayer, after that for those affected, is that the Muslim community worldwide is not tarred with the same brush as the madmen, and that they remain able to live in peace with their neighbours. Most are as you and I. Simple, moral, law abiding people who wish to live their lives in peace. We owe it to humanity to ensure that no single Muslim or Arab is persecuted.

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[> Subject: Bless you for this Tim! I am so glad that you have said it! I still cannot find words; my heart is too full. I am not ignoring you wonderful people, nor am I being callous to your pain; I simply CANNOT find any words, apart from I love you guys!


Author:
John M
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Date Posted: Wednesday, September 12 2001, 8:10:32 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: We love you too John! Thank you Tim for the e-mail.


Author:
Lance
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Date Posted: Thursday, September 13 2001, 6:32:49 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: NIGGE


Author:
DESERNITY
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Date Posted: Sunday, March 14 2010, 4:11:59 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: NEGRO


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DESERNITY
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Date Posted: Sunday, March 14 2010, 4:12:47 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: What a bunch of whiners! Fine I'll drop a clue. The singer is Garth Brooks, now listen to a few hundred of his songs till you get the right one hehehehehe. Oh the pain of having to listen to all that country music. Suffer!


Author:
lokisdad
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 16:21:29 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: I assume you read rule #4 and were sitting on a large cactus when you wrote this thread -


Author:
<:) Interior Decorator Extraordinaire
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 20:00:34 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Actually I was waiting till Lance got nkaed to post, then saw he read the no rules clause too and put em back on, DAMN! hehehehheeh OK the title starts with an......................


Author:
lokisdad
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 21:53:06 GMT ( - 8 )

oops ran out of room :)

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[> Subject: OK - It's Garth Brooks - that ugly fucker - singing his smash hit "My Mama's Dog Got Hit By A Train So I'm Drunk and in Prison and Lonesome"


Author:
crz
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 20:26:29 GMT ( - 8 )

Did I win???

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[> [> Subject: You can just fucking shoot me now if I have to listen to a bunch of damn Garth Brooks songs. Just listening to this midi has lowered my IQ by at least 20 points! We're talking major loss of brain cells as we speak. HAHAHA : P


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crz
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 20:29:51 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Is it Garth Brooks singing his smash hit "Honey, the Only Good Years We Ever Had Were the Tyres On Your Car"?? IS IT????


Author:
crz
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 20:45:32 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Is it Garth Brooks moaning his smash hit "My Dog Was Under The Truck The Night You Backed Out Of My Life"?????? I KNOW THAT'S IT! ::stomps foot 4 times (like Trigger counting), holds nose (for that nasal twang) and moans "My Dog Was Under The Truck The Night You Backed Out Of My Life":: God they don't write songs like that anymore (thank god)


Author:
crz
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 20:48:48 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: OK - time to get serious. It's Garth Brooks singing his smash hit "Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye". (God, if I had a nickle every time I said that)


Author:
crz
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 20:51:38 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Is it Garth Brooks singing his smash hit "They May Put Me In Prison, But They Can't Stop My Face From Breakin' Out"?????? God I love that song.....


Author:
crz
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 20:57:58 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: OK - It's a religious song isn't it?? Yep - It's Garth Brooks singing that old time Gospel favorite "I Been Roped And Thrown By Jesus In The Holy Ghost Corral " HAHAHAAHAAAA


Author:
crz <~~#1 COUNTRY MUSIC FAN
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 21:02:38 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: ROFLMAO !! YOUR ON A ROLL LANCE


Author:
<:)queer duck
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 21:26:04 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: ROTFLMAO never thought that Lance was into that kind of music....:oP


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Simon
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 27 2001, 23:31:24 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: If I ever start a carreer as a singer I'll have Lance writing my texts, and especially the titles, hehehe!


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 28 2001, 0:54:29 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Could it be one of these?


Author:
Torsten
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 28 2001, 1:02:44 GMT ( - 8 )

A


A Friend To Me

Against The Grain

Ain't Going Down (Til The Sun Comes Up)

Alabama Clay

American Honky-Tonk Bar Association

Anonymous

B


Belleau Wood

Burning Bridges

C


Callin' Baton Rouge

Cold Shoulder

Cowboy Bill

Cowboy Cadillac

Cowboys And Angels

D


Dixie Chicken

Do What You Gotta Do

E


Every Now And Then

Everytime That It Rains

F


Face To Face

Fit For A King

Friends In Low Places

Friends In Low Places (Long Version)

H


How You Ever Gonna Know

I


I Don't Have To Wonder

If Tomorrow Never Comes

I Know One

In Another's Eyes

In Lonesome Dove

Ireland

It's Midnight Cinderella

It's Your Song

I've Got a Good Thing Going

K


Kickin' And Screamin'

L


Learning To Live Again

Longneck Bottle

Longneck Bottle (Long Version)

M


Mr. Blue

Mr. Right

Much Too Young (To Feel This Damn Old)

N


New Way To Fly

Night Rider's Lament

Nobody Gets Off In This Town

Not Counting You

O


One Night A Day

P


Papa Loved Mama

R


Rodeo

Rollin'

S


Same Old Story

Shameless

She's Every Woman

She's Gonna Make It

Something With A Ring To It

Somewhere Other Than The Night

Standing Outside The Fire

T


Take The Keys To My Heart

Tearin' It Up (And Burnin' It Down)

That Ol' Wind

That Summer

The Beaches Of Cheyenne

The Change

The Cowboy Song

The Dance

The Fever

The Night I Called The Old Man Out

The Night Will Only Know

The Old Stuff

The Red Strokes

The River

The Thunder Rolls

The Thunder Rolls (Long Version)

This Ain't Tennessee

To Make You Feel My Love

Two Of a Kind, Workin' On a Full House

Two Piña Coladas

U


Unanswered Prayers

Uptown Downhome Good Ol' Boy

V


Victim Of The Game

W


Walking After Midnight

We Bury The Hatchet

We Shall Be Free

What She's Doing Now

When There's No One Around

Which One Of Them

Wild As The Wind

Wild Horses

Wolves

Y


You Move Me

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[> [> Subject: Yep, the fifth one form the bottom!


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 28 2001, 4:43:02 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: LMAO!! Way To Go Wolfie!!! HAHAHA! Why Didn't I think Of That??


Author:
crz
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 28 2001, 5:10:01 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Cheating Wolf!!!!!!!!! It was titled "If Tomorrow Never Comes" We'll rename it now, "If Wolfie Never Comes Again" hehehehe


Author:
lokisdad
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 28 2001, 7:26:02 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: It was not cheating, it was self-defense!


Author:
Torsten
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Date Posted: Thursday, March 29 2001, 1:31:26 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Pepper Spray, Stun Guns, Alarms


Author:
Rob (Serious)
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Date Posted: Saturday, October 31 2009, 6:24:58 GMT ( - 8 )

Best prices, fastest shipper, HUGE selection of self defense items.
Pepper spray in every type, size, ...stun guns that look like black berries, and cell phones .... stun wands, steel batons, fake dog bark alarms .... motion sensor alarms.... Video cameras in the shape of a Pen, Keychain Alarms, Motel / Hotel Door Alarms ! To many items to list
http://www.feelsafernow.com

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Subject: Ohh Nooooooooooooooooo


Author:
Quack E. Duck aka EHG aka Ed aka #$%&*
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 05 2007, 23:00:12 GMT ( - 8 )

To those of you who might occasionally still visit this site and care the duck is alive and well and thriving in Baja California, Mexico.

 D A M N


To those of you who had hoped that this long hiatus was indicative of the ducks demise or perhaps quackup - no comment - that alone is a miracle.


After enjoying a lengthy period of misanthropic isolation I will sometime in the future email the few people who I consider worth the effort. It may be soon perhaps not so soon, even I don't know, therefore "IT WILL BE WHEN IT WILL BE"


TOP OF MY HEAD I WOULD EXPECT THAT A SENSITIVE AND SPECIAL YOUNG MAN IN AUSTRAILIA, A VERY OUTSPOKEN AND CARING MOM FROM UTAH WHO LIKE THE DUCK HAS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS BEEN KNOWN TO VERBALIZE PRIOR TO CONTEMPLATING THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN IMBICILLES WITH AN INTELLIGENT QUOTIENT SOMEWHAT LESS THEN AN AMOEBA ATTEMPT TO INTERPRET HER COMMENTS AND REACT INAPPROPRIATELY PROVING THE MORONIC NATURE OF A GREAT PORTION OF HUMANITY -


AND NOT NECESSARILY LAST AND MOST DEFINITELY NOT LEAST MY FRIEND AND A WONDERFUL CARING LADY FROM GERMANY WHO UNLIKE THE DUCK HAS RARELY IF EVER SPOKEN WITHOUT THINKING, WHOSE VERY RARE NEGATIVE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RESERVED FOR GENOCIDAL MANIACS AND DESPOTS ONE OF WHICH STILL LEADS THE NATION OF MY BIRTH BUT A NATION I DISOWN UNTIL IT RETURNS TO SANITY. I HAVE AT TIMES THOUGHT SHE COULD BE AN INCARNATE OF "GANDHI".


Why I just didn't email the few I care about instead of posting this message (I don't know - duck shrugs his wings / shoulders) what can I say everything seems like such a chore until I actually do it and of course why do today what can be put off until tomorrow! Perhaps it is because once I post this I shall feel obligated to do what I have put off for so long and eventually the guilt will motivate me to fulfill what I should have done long long ago -

Somehow, someway to those mentioned, I shall dig deep and find the motivation and energy for at least some sort of communication - I would say don't expect my past verbosity but then again this message is perhaps 10 times what I initally expected to post so there!! 


BE GOOD AND BE HAPPY BECAUSE HAPPY IS GOOD the closest I have been able to accomplish that is to IGNORE as much as possible the 90+% of humanity which wallows in it's barbarism and ignorance.


QUACK E DUCK
EHG
ED



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[> Subject: doh


Author:
dumb duck
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 05 2007, 23:15:04 GMT ( - 8 )

I posted the above without reviewing the board believing that the last post was from Nov of last year - just now read the replies to that message and guess some of you have been dropping by looking for a wayward duck -

Clay I did receive the sad news about Gene and I shall most definitely attempt to update you and Trevor/TJ as you guys were included in the "not necessarilly last" of my post - as stated though this post was only made on a spur of the moment and hopefully I will be similarily motivated in the near future to write but truthfully as Alie understands sometimes even the simplist things just seem to require an enormous if not impossible effort but be assured I will try
and soon.

quck quck ooops i meant quack quack


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[> [> Subject: Does a little happy dance


Author:
Alie (:-D)
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 12 2007, 10:45:34 GMT ( - 8 )

just dropping in for my occasional drive-by visits here and look who's back! I was already considering putting your picture on milk cartons - do they print images of missing duck on milk cartons or do they discriminate against our feathered friends? - as I started to get worried what happened to you. Maybe one of those tiny transmitters they put around birds' legs to locate them would be a good idea?
But for now, hugest hugs and hopefully seeing you soon!

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[> [> [> Subject: Glad You're


Author:
clay49
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Date Posted: Friday, July 13 2007, 15:03:26 GMT ( - 8 )

Still alive and well.

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[> Subject: Yo


Author:
Kris
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Date Posted: Monday, August 27 2007, 17:48:27 GMT ( - 8 )

Does this mean you'd update my domain if I asked?

I don't seem to have an email for you anymore, the ones I have bounce

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[> [> Subject: Guess I should leave my email


Author:
Kris
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Date Posted: Monday, August 27 2007, 17:50:12 GMT ( - 8 )

That's the spam one.. I check it regularly. I dont need any lurker with a grudge getting my main addy.

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[> Subject: Hey there


Author:
Ashley
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Date Posted: Saturday, September 15 2007, 19:10:13 GMT ( - 8 )

Wish I knew where ya was my friend. Tomorrow is an important day, someone is missing from the circle. Hope to hear from you soon ED :(

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[> Subject: Well I WOULD like to hear from you as I have craploads of stuff that needs to be updated on the website... and well cuz I worry about ducks and stuff


Author:
Kris
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 26 2008, 18:02:45 GMT ( - 8 )

Writing again aint THAT scary... this one is about dragons

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[> Subject: Duckie, are you listening?


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 31 2008, 10:29:27 GMT ( - 8 )

If so, please drop me an email, and if it's an empty one. I'm getting worried and in the not too distant future I might get worried enough to go pestering your brother.

Now that's a scary idea - I just don't know for whom, you , me, or your brother.

Hugs,
Alie

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[> Subject: Haven't heard from you


Author:
Ashley D
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Date Posted: Sunday, June 28 2009, 15:41:50 GMT ( - 8 )

Well Duck, how come you don't answer emails huh? :)

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Subject: Thank you thank you thank you!


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 04 2008, 22:39:58 GMT ( - 8 )

Yes,you can!

I actually cried with happyness when I heard that Obama actually made it - something I never did before.

Obama won't be able to work miracles, not with the huge mountain of debris Bush left him, but with him at least there's hope.

Well done America - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!



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Subject: Nothing special, just a li'l rant


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Thursday, October 09 2008, 23:50:15 GMT ( - 8 )

Just on the Bavarian radio news:
"President Bush announced he'd issue a statement on the current global economic crisis later today."

An explanation of the mess this borderline-criminal fool and his merry gang of thugs were pretty instrumental to bring about is exactly what everybody can't wait to hear - not.

To think that I got almost tarred, feathered and chased out of town by the resident (former) republican at another board 8 years ago when I dared to speak my mind about Dubya and his minders - what a lark, considering how things turned out in the end.

Oh well, only 102 days now .... urgent request to the American people ... please don't saddle the world with Palin ... and keep McCain to yourselves ... we need a breather ...

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Subject: Good times, bad times


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, December 12 2007, 9:21:33 GMT ( - 8 )

or maybe dazed but not confused. I absolutely positively totally want to have a ticket for the Led Zep world tour.

Oh well, I wish. Guess I'll just wait for the DVD, it's more in my price range. $300 not including travel cost is a bit on the steep side, even if Robert Plant still hits the high notes far better than I do.

Duckie, I want to hear a quack from you!

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Subject: Wow, he's alive


Author:
ien
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Date Posted: Thursday, October 25 2007, 8:11:08 GMT ( - 8 )

Lovely :)

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Subject: So glad


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AshleyD
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Date Posted: Friday, July 13 2007, 15:21:06 GMT ( - 8 )

I am so glad that you are still ok ED. I have missed your wit and your presence. I hope you are doing well and can't wait to hear from you.

PS; love the LONG winded letters too :D

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Subject: Congratulation!!!!!!


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Alie
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Date Posted: Thursday, November 09 2006, 5:34:58 GMT ( - 8 )

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!



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[> Subject: Where is you?


Author:
Ashley Dawson
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Date Posted: Sunday, February 04 2007, 1:21:22 GMT ( - 8 )

And that is? I miss my friend ED. Where is he?

I hope you are ok ED and that you might read this and let a friend know you are ok please? :)

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[> [> Subject: Yeah - what Ashley said


Author:
Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Saturday, June 02 2007, 10:13:35 GMT ( - 8 )

Hope you are a happy health duck these days, wherever you may be.

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[> [> Subject: Getting up a search posse


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Alie
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Date Posted: Thursday, June 07 2007, 1:23:05 GMT ( - 8 )

I'll see if I can find the duck, he really can't be allowed to simply fly away without leaving a message.

I hope everybody is well and happy!

Ah yes, congratulations and mission accomplished was meant for the last elections, when US voters sent the GOP packing.

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[> [> Subject: check your email Mr. Duck


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clay49
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Date Posted: Friday, June 15 2007, 15:32:21 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: ASS


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JERMY
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Date Posted: Thursday, May 31 2007, 10:01:24 GMT ( - 8 )

KISS MY ASS

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Subject: Where BE ya?


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Ashley
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Date Posted: Friday, August 25 2006, 18:50:14 GMT ( - 8 )

Seems ya haven't been along here for some time ED? I miss the long and interesting Emails ya sent me? When are you likely to make another appearence?

You're NOT allowed to just disappear ok? :)

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Subject: 8 years of insanity - recovery probably 125 years + or - a few decades


Author:
An Ed that has always been different - QUACK
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Date Posted: Saturday, March 11 2006, 2:33:24 GMT ( - 8 )


Op-Ed from the Los Angeles Times March 06, 2006


Niall Ferguson


March 6, 2006


A 19th century critique of a 21st century president


Gladstone eviscerated British foreign policy under Disraeli in 1878-79. His arguments apply to Bush's failures too.

 

ONE OF THE unintended consequences of the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution — which prohibits anyone from being elected president more than twice — is that George W. Bush will never have to run on the record of his second term. This is fortunate for the Republican Party. It is a tragedy for the Democrats.

If President Bush were to run for reelection in 2008, it is not difficult to imagine the devastating indictment that might be made of his foreign policy. One reason is that the terms of such an indictment were brilliantly anticipated in Britain more than a century ago.

In 1878, William Ewart Gladstone came out of retirement to reclaim the leadership of the Liberal party and unleash a lethal rhetorical assault against his archrival, Conservative Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli.

In a series of marathon speeches to crowds numbering in the tens of thousands, Gladstone eviscerated Disraelian foreign policy as a disastrous mixture of vainglorious imperialism, cynical realpolitik and fiscal improvidence. His speech of Nov. 27, 1879, in which he set out his principles of foreign policy, reads amazingly well today.

Gladstone's first principle was, paradoxically, "good government at home" — to be precise, fiscal stability. "The first thing," he argued, "is to foster the strength of the empire by just legislation and economy at home." By that measure Bush's second term has been an almost unqualified failure. To cut taxes and run deficits in 2001, in the aftermath of a stock market crash, made sense. But allowing the federal government to continue to run deficits with recovery well established has left the U.S. dangerously dependent on foreign capital for its economic stability.

(DUCK NOTE: In a mere six years Bush has accumulated a deficit of some THREE TRILLION DOLLARS - 3 TRILLION DOLLARS added to the national debt or about 40% of the debt from ALL PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS BEGINNING WITH GEORGE WASHINGTON THROUGH BILL CLINTON COMBINED )

Gladstone's second principle was that the aim of foreign policy should be "to preserve to the nations of the world … the blessings of peace" — not something Bush will be remembered for achieving.

Principle number three reads especially well today. "Even when you do a good thing," Gladstone observed, "you may do it in so bad a way that you may entirely spoil the beneficial effect." Ring any bells? That's just the way to nail this administration without falling into the obvious rhetorical trap of arguing that we should have left Saddam Hussein in power. Yes, you can indeed ruin the effect of doing a good thing — getting rid of a brutal, potentially dangerous dictator — by doing it in a bad way: failing to preserve public order in the aftermath.

Gladstone's fourth principle was a very American one: To avoid needless and entangling engagements. "You may boast about them," he went on, "you may brag about them…. But you are increasing your engagements without increasing your strength; and if you increase engagements without increasing strength, you diminish strength, you abolish strength." Once again, spot on.

The coup de grace, however, is Gladstone's fifth principle: to acknowledge the equal rights of all nations. "If you claim for yourself," he said, "a pharisaical superiority over [other nations], then I say … [that] in undermining the basis of the esteem and respect of other people for your country, you are in reality inflicting the severest injury upon it." I defy you to name another president whose conduct that better sums up. Indeed, the evidence is that this administration has more than merely undermined "the basis of the esteem and respect of other people." It has blown it apart.

The beauty of Gladstone's attack is that it was concentrated mainly on the execution of Disraeli's policy. "The foreign policy of England," Gladstone declared, "should always be inspired by the love of freedom." That's where a Democratic challenger can agree with Bush: We share your aspiration to spread freedom; it's your implementation that stinks.


And yet it is highly unlikely that the next Democratic front-runner for the presidency will be able to deliver a modern version of Gladstone's speech. Why? For the simple reason that, unless the Republicans have lost the will to win, they will select a candidate to succeed Bush who subscribes to every single one of Gladstone's principles.

The Republicans would certainly be foolish to cling to what is left of Bush's foreign policy. Nearly all of its premises are crumbling before our eyes. The theory of a democratic peace is a chimera; give Muslims the vote and they vote for militants. Regime change in Iraq has not enhanced American security; its principal beneficiary has been Iran. As for the unipolar world….

The reality is that the occupation of Iraq and its ramifications in the greater Middle East now so dominate this administration's agenda that the one truly world-shaking event of our times — the resurgence of China — has all but vanished from view. The administration is in at least two minds about how to react, with half the signals indicating a new Cold War strategy of containment (why else help the Indians with their nukes?) and the other half continuing the older policy of conciliation.

After recklessness, ineptitude was the greatest defect of Disraelian foreign policy (although in those days it was the resurgence of Russia rather than China that was the big challenge).

Too bad the 22nd Amendment likely will prevent us from ever hearing a Gladstonian critique of today's inept imperialism.



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Subject: Please post your opinions on this.....


Author:
A different Ed
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Date Posted: Saturday, March 04 2006, 7:08:40 GMT ( - 8 )

Report: Bush Considers Outsourcing Some HIV/AIDS Care To India
by Peter Hacker, 365Gay.com Asia Bureau Chief

(New Delhi) Press reports from India following a meeting between President Bush and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh suggest the US is considering outsourcing some HIV/AIDS care to that country.

The reports cite a joint statement issued following the meeting on trade, security and HIV/AIDS that said health tourism from the US to India was an area with "enormous potential for collaboration".

Given India's "world-class medical care facilities at reasonable costs, the two countries could leverage Indian expertise for their economic and social benefit" the Times of India quotes the joint statement as saying.

The two countries agreed to harmonize their healthcare systems and develop specialized medical insurance and legal packages for US patients to boost health tourism.

The document also said that Bush agree to accelerate the accreditation of Indian healthcare institutions and professionals in the US.

The statement said that the US supported India's plan to raise the capability of its drug-approving agency to those comparable with the FDA. The introduction of globally accepted FDA testing standards will lead to "greater confidence and marketability of Indian drugs and foods," the statement said.

During his meeting with Singh Bush announced a contribution of $7 million for the India-US Corporate Fund for HIV/AIDS. The India-US joint program on HIV/AIDS began in 2000.

©365Gay.com 2006

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Subject: A little poke at Bush


Author:
Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 29 2005, 11:29:21 GMT ( - 8 )

George W. Bush is tossing restlessly in bed. He awakens to George Washington standing by him and Bush asks, "George, what's the best thing I can do to help the country?"

"Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did," then fades away.

The next night, Bush is astir again, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moving through the darkened bedroom. Bush calls out, "Tom, please! What is the best thing I can do to help the country?"

"Respect the Constitution, as I did," Jefferson advises, and dims from sight.

The third night Bush awakens to see the ghost of FDR hovering over his bed. Bush whispers, "Franklin, what is the best thing I can do to help the country?"

"Help the less fortunate, just as I did," FDR replies and fades into the mist.

Bush isn't sleeping well the fourth night when he sees another figure moving in the shadows. It is the ghost of Abe Lincoln. Bush pleads, "Abe, what is the best thing I can do right now to help the country?"

Lincoln replies, "Go see a play."

[Just saw on the news that Bush "authorized" some illegal wiretaps as part of the war on terrorism. I would sure hate to see actual terrorist convictions overturned, but this is hypocrisy at its finest.]

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Subject: PEACEFUL THAT'S GOOD


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ED/DUCK
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 22 2005, 14:24:19 GMT ( - 8 )

Still haven't emailed anyone - my apologies - been doing a MAJOR renovation on my home since August prior to putting the house on the market (target date 01/16/06).

Originally thought it would just be a cosmetic update - yea sure - so here I am six months later and about $40k poorer finally seeing the bottom of the money pit almost reaching ground level.

Originally my parents house - my Dad loved to paint - unfortunately after 60 years of him changing color schemes it became necessary to remove all the previous layers before we could put a smooth coat on - In one room I was able to distinguish 13 separate colors that room had been painted over the years, even found a layer of Chartreuse in my brothers old bedroom - As a teen a million years ago he wanted to paint his bedroom walls Chartreuse and the ceiling black - I don't think I was even a teen yet but I remember him getting indignant when Dad agreed to the Chartreuse walls but absolutely ruled out the black ceiling!

Dad also would in his latter years retile the kitchen and bathrooms - and usually did so by just adding another layer of tile - One of the last was a ceramic tile floor in the kitchen and looked nice for about 2 days then all the tiles started cracking - felt really bad for him (now I know the cause at the time I didn't) well didn't get pop down he said the hell with it and went back to his self adhesive 12 x 12 vinyl tile and just covered it up with a floor that wouldn't crack!

Well when remodeling the kitchen and getting ready for a New Ceramic Tile Floor - (hoping that the plywood sub floor was still in reasonable condition) we started removing layers of floor - first 1 layer of vinyl 12x12 tiles then the layer of cracked ceramic tiles had to come up then we had another layer of vinyl tiles and removed them and below that another of 12 x 12 vinyl tiles which we removed then wow below that there was the plywood but it was water damaged and had rot so we removed that and what did we find? Yet another layer of vinyl tiles and below that was the ORIGINAL kitchen floor of "asbestos tiles" circa 1944! Well shrugged my shoulders put on a face mask and removed that layer to find another rotted out plywood sub floor which we removed and thinking FINALLY now were ready to start with the new floor - one minute after that thought my foot went through the original wood plank flooring as it too was water damaged and rotted - went under the house in the crawl space (YUCK - I was always sure as a kid that all kinds of mysterious critters and huge spiders lived down there) and did an inspection and fortunately the only place that the plank flooring was damaged was in the kitchen so we removed them and laid down new planks (hey this time GOOD NEWS the joists being the main beams that the floor bds attach to and that hold the house up (we are on a foundation) were in good shape. So what I thought would be a couple of days to lay down a new ceramic tile floor for the kitchen turned into a two week rather expensive labor intensive detour and similar type situations have occurred over and over again as we've gone from one area to another.

Fortunately I have had the time to dedicate to this project as rather then hire a contractor I just hired a couple of qualified all around handy men and between the 3 of us we've been able to tackle whatever came our way! If I had gone the contractor route I'd be living on the streets -

Every month for the past 3 or 4 months I've been saying well another two weeks and we will have it done yep I was saying 2 weeks more, 14 weeks ago.  NOW I have set the date for 1/16/06 to put the for sale sign up which means I best drag my ass outside and try to install the new front door jam that I cut last night - normally 2 sides and a top and a door stop nailed on to it this one is a jigsaw puzzle as nothing is standard as to the measurements or even square in this house due to prior remodeling jobs - Dad was a jack of all trades and loved to work on the house and had a level of energy even at 80 yo in tackling such things that I never had at any age.  Unfortunately thought while he had some knowledge in all areas he was an expert in none of them - hence some of the problems I've encountered.  If you are tuned in POP it's kewl the place always "looked good" and that was good enough for us - unfortunately I have to take it a step further so that it will pass inspection and for what I expect it go be going for the buyers are most definitely entitled to be reassured that all improvements have been made correctly.  As for the front door pop don't sweat it if my pieces don't fit the jig saw puzzle and all else fails I'll just look for a bigger hammer!

On the plus side though is that for every dollar invested in the renovation we will see 4 to 5 returned in he increase in value.

For the past week or so been doing all this with a nasty cold/flu
- and though it has slowed me down tremendously hasn't knocked me out of the game yet - (coughs a couple of times and feels like some invisible critters are poking ice picks into his muscles - but being the stupid duck that he is drags his ass outside to make sure the others are doing what needs to be done - breaths a little more of the sanded drywall and sawdust into his lungs - looks at some of the stuff he knows he should do today and who knows probably goes back to bed - FUCK THIS - DID I SAY TWO MORE WEEKS - yea sure!!

poor sick duckey aka / Ed



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[> Subject: Wow! Good for you to take the inititive and get this huge project done! I gots that flu/cold virus, too. No fun.


Author:
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 29 2005, 11:21:54 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Ed please-your thoughts about this paul bishop matter


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rob
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Date Posted: Friday, October 21 2005, 19:20:40 GMT ( - 8 )

As a long time webmaster what are your thoughts on the matter of Paul Bishop and the *witch hunt* instigated by a certain webmaster from another country???????----rob

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[> Subject: Not sure exactly of your reference


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Ed/Duck
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 15 2005, 21:23:15 GMT ( - 8 )

If you mean George Bishop aka "Paul Bishop" aka  "Deacon" and/or his sidekick Richard Evans  then my thoughts are they probably recently got what they deserved from the justice system - more info here:

 More Info on Bishop aka the "Deacon"

More Info on his sidekick "Richard Evans"

If you are referring to a certain webmaster from another country who apparently recently had contact with you and who publicly stated that these individuals did "falsely" accuse you of various negative behaviors and that he like many others was "taken-in" by these nefarious scoundrels, I don't understand your statement a "witch hunt" instigated by this individual.

If this is not the person that you were referring to then I don't know what your reference is!

From what I can see if he is the webmaster you are referring to he took the time to carefully attempt to investigate the activities of the above named associated individuals before using their names in any of his threads and was in your case quite forward about your innocence in certain matters and I quote:


"Approximately this time last year there was a "panic" here about a major allegation that Robert Bryce was about to out a kid to his family. This was caused entirely by the deceiving person's lies. Robert wrote to me at the time, and I am sure I also stated at the time, that he had nothing whatsoever to do with the matter.

Though Rob and I have major differences I know him to be a decent and honourable man. There never was anything to link him to the alleged "potential outing", nor will there ever be. He is innocent of all such allegations. Things in his personal history make such an action totally abhorrent to him. He could not do it.

I am aware that, by mentioning it again, some of this mud will stick to Rob. I would ask that it does not stick.

I am posting it because I have been emailing Rob about this matter. He has asked me to post a full statement that he is innocent of the allegations. At the time they worried him and hurt him greatly. Interestingly his fears were allayed by the author of the allegations contacting Rob to "find out if he was behind them".

Recently I also was accused of "outing" teens.along with various other types of behavior that my accusers thought to be malicious. One of the individuals accusing me of these outings amongst other negative acts stated that I was talking to two people online about it apparently admitting to this behavior and thats how it got back to them.  Although only those who made the intial accusations know where these false charges came from I would be surprised if it were any other then the "Deacon" and his buddy Richard Evans.

At the same time "Deacon" was emailing me in an attempt to ingratiate himself with me and also gain my trust informing me that his mission was an attempt to end the flame war he was in fact writing posts such as this on another board(s).

"Ed is most definetley NOT getting a pass from me or my peers. My good friend ------, (-----)(names edited out by me) is enraged about the absolutely  inappropriate, insensitive, deceitful, and what is ------ & ----- (names edited out by me) favorite way of describing Ed's actions........hmm. Oh yeah! "Fucked UP!" And it's not just -----(name edited out by me) either, it's quite a few of us.

Ed will not get a free pass on this crap, not this time. I have no idea what happened to the Ed I first met years ago, but this Ed?  No excuses or apologies can mend the damage. (And quite frankly, I really do not see this as taking "sides."0 I see this as just plain WRONG. The others and I have begun the process of formally complaining, shunning, banning, and taking whatever action we deem necessary to get Ed to delete ALL of that unmitigated feces, and back the hell off. We are doing this quietly, steadily, and I hope to Pearl Harbor Ed's ugly butt."

When I emailed "Deacon" about the above post I received the following in his reply:


Yes, Ed I did say Pearl Harbor your butt as at that moment in history I was pissed, but not so much at you I think as I was pissed that once again, Robert managed to carry out and wage a campaign of hatred that got the ball rolling.

Ed, look, the kids are just that, kids. You have been around long enough to know that eventually things will die out. BUT, and I am still astonished by this, ALL of you guys managed to really whip yourselves up into an incredible frenzy. Jesus, it's been a while since I have seen a flame war like this. The last really good one was over the Driver9 story that set that one off.

You may be insulted by my methods Ed, but trust me, I am alot more reasonable and forward seeing than persons give me credit for. There is only ONE thing on my agenda, and that is putting a stop to Robert Bryce's nonsense.

As it turns out apparently "Deacon" was the instigator in numerous flame wars playing one side against the other.  I did not realize the extent of his involvement at the time but realized that he was anything but trustworthy when he was emailing me saying one thing and posting on other boards content similar to the above.

As this webmaster from another country publicly stated about you Rob;

"Though Rob and I have major differences I know him to be a decent and honourable man. There never was anything to link him to the alleged "potential outing", nor will there ever be. He is innocent of all such allegations. Things in his personal history make such an action totally abhorrent to him. He could not do it."


I also could NEVER out another individual whether teen or adult.  I HAVE NEVER OUTED ANYONE OTHER THEN MYSELF and as with you there was NEVER any real  "EVIDENCE" linking me to these horrible charges of outing and/or attempting to out certain unknown (to me) teens for there is none,  just the information apparently passed on to others by who I now believe to be  "deacon" and his associate claiming that they had been informed of my guilt or that I had bragged directly to them about doing said deeds.   Furthermore the "deacon" in emails to me was blaming you for the entire affair and I quote the "Deacon":

"Well, guess you're still furious at them, kinda shows. Given enough time, possibly the proof will be there to expose Robert once and for all and then maybe some ofthe damage can be undone."

Why Deacon and associates choose to manipulate various people and turn friend against friend I truly do not understand . Unfortunately they were all too successful in their endeavors.  I shall continue to be me and I know in my heart I was not guilty of what I was accused of although in the past I may have allowed my anger to rule more then it should in defending myself against false charges, I have never intentionally tried to cause real HARM to any other individuals especially teens and If my words in my attempt to defend myself against charges that I knew to be false and personally found abhorrent, hurt anyone especially any youngsters, then I'll take this opportunity to apologize for that. 

NOTE:  To any who were involved in the flame war mentioned above - I was reluctant to post this thread in that it is not my intention to reignite nor inflame what occurred in the past.  I just recently became aware of the manipulation caused by the "deacon"..  Whether he is in fact the one that caused false charges to be brought against me I have no proof just an abundance of information that has convinced me that he is in fact guilty. 

Please even if you should continue to believe I am guilty - do not reignite the old flame war for I won't allow it here - any attacks will simply be removed - and that goes for you also Rob - Do not use any of this to continue any angry attacks on others - it solves nothing - and encourages manipulators such as the deacon and his cohorts. 

Ed



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[> [> Subject: paul bishop


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rob
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Date Posted: Thursday, November 17 2005, 11:13:37 GMT ( - 8 )

Thank you for your post ED. The reason that I posted was to bring this matter to the surface. Perhaps I chose a wrong term when I used witch hunt,but it seemed that there were too many pages to this story unturned..In one of the articles about paul bishop-reference was made that a deweywriter was involved--the last remaining page..This needs to be cleared up IMHO....Again I wish to thank you for posting what you have--it was very informative......rob

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[> [> [> Subject: Deweywriter


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Dewey
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Date Posted: Thursday, November 17 2005, 18:40:36 GMT ( - 8 )

At the time if the arrest, DeweyWriter.com was hosted on a server that was in the apartment of Rick Evans.

We moved the site there because I was unhappy with our current host and was looking for something more reasonable and easier to use. Bishop offered space on their server for free. I couldn't beat the price, so I jumped on it.

This was and is the only link that DeweyWriter had with this incident.

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[> [> Subject: Ahhhhh pooh and I missed all the drama! *hides*


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Kris
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 30 2005, 19:31:59 GMT ( - 8 )

You put up with that enough to guarantee you sainthood except for ummm one little thing.. but hey that guy in Rome in the dress probably isn't REALLY the one making those decisions anyway, he's just the pipsqueak sent off to do grunt work while the big boys get things DONE! ~_*

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Subject: WHAT IS & WHAT WAS "AMERICA"


Author:
ED/DUCK
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 15 2005, 14:42:46 GMT ( - 8 )

To those friends who may have had occasion to wonder about the "duck" or his whereabouts and to those that have communicated and to which I OWE emails too, I wish to thank you for your thoughts and correspondence and will attempt to begin communicating again in the near future. The past few months have been somewhat trying which I'll explain further in my emails but be forewarned before you open any email from Ed/Duck - verbosity is not dead.

I just finished reading this op/ed piece written by President Carter and thought I would join TJ in sharing some thought provoking words.



From the Los Angeles Times Op/Ed Section

November 14, 2005

This isn't the real America

By Jimmy Carter

IN RECENT YEARS, I have become increasingly concerned by a host of radical government policies that now threaten many basic principles espoused by all previous administrations, Democratic and Republican.

These include the rudimentary American commitment to peace, economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and human rights.

Also endangered are our historic commitments to providing citizens with truthful information, treating dissenting voices and beliefs with respect, state and local autonomy and fiscal responsibility.

At the same time, our political leaders have declared independence from the restraints of international organizations and have disavowed long-standing global agreements — including agreements on nuclear arms, control of biological weapons and the international system of justice.

Instead of our tradition of espousing peace as a national priority unless our security is directly threatened, we have proclaimed a policy of "preemptive war," an unabridged right to attack other nations unilaterally to change an unsavory regime or for other purposes. When there are serious differences with other nations, we brand them as international pariahs and refuse to permit direct discussions to resolve disputes.

Regardless of the costs, there are determined efforts by top U.S. leaders to exert American imperial dominance throughout the world.

These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained. Even with our troops involved in combat and America facing the threat of additional terrorist attacks, our declaration of "You are either with us or against us!" has replaced the forming of alliances based on a clear comprehension of mutual interests, including the threat of terrorism.

Another disturbing realization is that, unlike during other times of national crisis, the burden of conflict is now concentrated exclusively on the few heroic men and women sent back repeatedly to fight in the quagmire of Iraq. The rest of our nation has not been asked to make any sacrifice, and every effort has been made to conceal or minimize public awareness of casualties.


Instead of cherishing our role as the great champion of human rights, we now find civil liberties and personal privacy grossly violated under some extreme provisions of the Patriot Act.

Of even greater concern is that the U.S. has repudiated the Geneva accords and espoused the use of torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, and secretly through proxy regimes elsewhere with the so-called extraordinary rendition program. It is embarrassing to see the president and vice president insisting that the CIA should be free to perpetrate "cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment" on people in U.S. custody.

Instead of reducing America's reliance on nuclear weapons and their further proliferation, we have insisted on our right (and that of others) to retain our arsenals, expand them, and therefore abrogate or derogate almost all nuclear arms control agreements negotiated during the last 50 years. We have now become a prime culprit in global nuclear proliferation. America also has abandoned the prohibition of "first use" of nuclear weapons against nonnuclear nations, and is contemplating the previously condemned deployment of weapons in space.

Protection of the environment has fallen by the wayside because of government subservience to political pressure from the oil industry and other powerful lobbying groups. The last five years have brought continued lowering of pollution standards at home and almost universal condemnation of our nation's global environmental policies.

Our government has abandoned fiscal responsibility by unprecedented favors to the rich, while neglecting America's working families. Members of Congress have increased their own pay by $30,000 per year since freezing the minimum wage at $5.15 per hour (the lowest among industrialized nations).

I am extremely concerned by a fundamentalist shift in many houses of worship and in government, as church and state have become increasingly intertwined in ways previously thought unimaginable.

As the world's only superpower, America should be seen as the unswerving champion of peace, freedom and human rights. Our country should be the focal point around which other nations can gather to combat threats to international security and to enhance the quality of our common environment. We should be in the forefront of providing human assistance to people in need.

It is time for the deep and disturbing political divisions within our country to be substantially healed, with Americans united in a common commitment to revive and nourish the historic political and moral values that we have espoused during the last 230 years.

JIMMY CARTER was the 39th president of the United States. His newest book is "Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis," published this month by Simon & Schuster.


 



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Subject: MEDITATING WITH ANGER


Author:
Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Monday, November 14 2005, 8:27:46 GMT ( - 8 )

by Rita Gross

I want to begin by telling a story of an event that took place a year and-a-half ago with one of my teachers, Khandro Rinpoche. She is one of the few women rinpoches in the world of Tibetan Buddhism, and I have been very much magnetized by her presence and her teachings. She was giving a set of teachings, and a woman asked her: “What should we do with anger? How should we deal with anger?” And her reply was very sharp and very cutting: “Anger is always a waste of time.” And the woman was sitting not too far from me. I could feel her energy, her kind of frustration and puzzlement and disappointment at that answer. She said, “But” — you know there’s always a “but” with anger — "what about things that are wrong? What about things that deserve anger?” And Khandro Rinpoche replied, again very sharply, “I didn't tell you to lose your critical intelligence.” And that's the frame in which I want to discuss anger, because that actually has been my experience through practice with anger. “It's always a waste of time. I didn't tell you to lose your critical intelligence, to get rid of your critical intelligence.”

As many of you know, I've done a lot of work, a lot of contemplation, about women and the dharma. I was a feminist before I became involved in practice. I was pretty angry when I began to sit. And I did not begin to sit because I wanted to find a way to work with my anger. In fact, I think if someone had told me that it might not be so easy to keep my head of steam going I might not have been quite so interested in sitting. I had a really good head of steam going, and I felt quite okay about it. I think that's often the case with people who are involved in some justice issue. We feel that anger is a motivator to keep us going. If we didn't have anger to keep ourselves involved in a particular issue, what would we have? What would keep us going? A lot of us, in the early ‘70s, felt that anger was a much better alternative than what we had lived with before. I still agree with that. As someone who was socialized in the ‘50s, I actually went through a long period of self-hatred before I came to anger and anger is probably better than self-hatred. The kinds of things I wanted to do with my life didn't fit into the female gender role. My first solution to this problem was just to turn it in on myself. And I spent years basically cursing the fact that I had been born female. One day, I had an insight that it really wasn't me that was the problem, it was the system I was living in. That was a tremendous relief to feel that: “It's not me, there's nothing wrong with being female.” But that didn't solve the anger problem. It turned outward. So I became very good at cutting rhetoric and white-hot outbursts of rhetorical fury. Of course I was always trying to control that too, because it's not politic and it's not polite.

Needless to say, I wasn't doing too well even though I felt pretty okay with being angry and felt it was quite justifiable under the circumstances. I think that's probably about the position of the woman who said, “But, what about things that we should be angry about?” With that kind of head of steam I somehow became involved in sitting practice. That's pretty unusual for academics to do, especially academics who are in the study of religion and the study of Buddhism, but it happened. I found myself, for quite a while, in a kind of wasteland, a kind of no-man's-land situation. When I first got involved with Buddhism, I already had a pretty good reputation as a feminist theologian or a feminist scholar of religion. And all of my friends in academia, especially my feminist friends, thought I had lost my mind. It was like, “What has happened to Rita? Rita's sold out.” It was understandable to them that you could inherit a male-dominated religion and try to work with it. Some of them were making that choice, but that you would convert to a male-dominated religion? I had to be out of my mind, according to them. I think you're aware that Buddhism still looks pretty male-dominated to much of the outside world, and I don't think that reputation is totally undeserved.

My Buddhist friends, meanwhile, were saying to me, “Oh Rita, that's okay. When you grow up, when you get to be a real Buddhist, then you won’t care about this feminism shtick anymore. You won’t have any attachments.” They said that when I got to be a real Buddhist I would be detached and not care about justice issues.

I think that for some reason feminism among justice issues gets trivialized and becomes the object of hostility a lot more easily than many other justice issues. And I don't want to try to explore that tonight, but I think that's the case. So they had a particularly live one on their hands — a Buddhist feminist, an oxymoron.

I was pretty much alone. I live in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, which is not exactly a hotbed of Buddhism. I have very strong ties with Vajradhatu, and I do a lot of programs in Boulder, Colorado, and in other places, but that still means that day by day my practice is by myself. And in some ways I'm very glad for that because I haven't had too many people always trying to yank me and jerk me; you know, do this and do that, develop this way. So in some ways it was good.

What happened to me was actually very scary. After a while of practicing really intently, I realized that I just couldn't work up that head of steam. It just wasn't there. It wasn't very satisfying. I started to get really scared: “What's happening to me? Maybe my Buddhist friends were right. Maybe I'm not going to have this thing in my life anymore.”

Clearly what was happening was that I had made a pretty good ego out of anger. As that started to dissolve, I got scared.

Simultaneously, I noticed that people were listening to me better. When I talked to people, instead of putting up a wall and going the other way, people were listening to me. And that's where it's at — that as the emotionalism, as the cloudy murky rage starts to subside, the intelligence can come through, and people can actually hear what we're saying. That's what Khandro Rinpoche was talking about when she said, “Anger is a waste of time. Don't lose your critical intelligence.” Very powerful, very provocative.

As I was experiencing that, I was starting to be able to distinguish between pain, which is the pain of the human existence, which isn't anyone's fault, and the kinds of things that we do to each other through passion, hatred, and delusion. I was starting to see something that I think is really important for those of us who are trying to do our bodhisattva work in an engaged way in social justice issues: that there's always going to be basic human suffering. That's not the fault of any particular thing wrong with the way the world is put together, period. I think it's very helpful to know that and to be able to find one's way into accommodating the basic pain and having some distinction between basic pain and the things that are the result of passion, aggression, and ignorance.

So what was happening with practice-and I didn't realize this until much later-was like a test tube that has a number of ingredients in it and it's all shook up. You shake the tube, and nothing is clear, nothing is settled. And then with practice, that situation settles and stills, and the emotionalism subsides, and it leaves some intelligence, some clarity. In the Tibetan Vajrayana tradition, anger is connected with the Vajra family. The Vajra family is in the eastern gate of the mandala and is connected with the element water. This is very telling because water, when it is turbulent, is murky, and you can't see anything. But when water settles, it becomes an absolutely clear, perfectly reflecting mirror surface. When anger transmutes, it transmutes into clarity. The energy of anger becomes mirror-like wisdom. Same energy, different application. So this means, among many other things, that it's not so much that we need to throw away our anger as that we need to distill it: to settle the emotionalism, that cloudy, heavy, painful feeling. You feel this energy in your body that hurts, and you know you can't say anything sensible while you feel that way. And yet, that's when people really are tempted to sound off. To go back to Khandro Rinpoche's statement, she said, “Anger is always a waste of time.” And that's absolutely true in my experience. I think what began to happen to me, when I could no longer get up a head of steam, was that I was beginning to see: “Who is this helping?” Who it was helping was me, myself, and I. The pain was so great, an outburst of anger would give momentary relief. But it didn't do anything. It did not pacify the situation. It did not make people more understanding of the predicament I felt. It did not make people more willing to take a feminist critique of society or Buddhism or whatever very seriously. It's hard to take angry people seriously, partly because of what they bring up in us, partly because of the defensiveness we feel when somebody is lashing out. So I think that's very important: to somehow begin to see the absolute total counter-productivity of these tumultuous klesha-driven outbursts of anger-that they're not helping anything. They're not good skillful means. Is there an alternative?

I think one of the problems we face in our culture is that everything is always couched in either/or terms-either we stand up for ourselves or we're going to get rolled over. Certainly I think that's the logic that fuels a lot of our reactions. I certainly felt that way: that if I didn't put up this good front, I was just going to be pushed aside. But I think that there is a middle path between acting out aggressively and caving in. One holds one's ground gently and non-aggressively, in body, speech, and mind; one doesn't go away; one doesn't stop talking unless that would be the most skillful thing to do at that moment. I think that to reach that place between acting out aggressively and just caving in, we need to develop a kind of self-confidence without arrogance, to develop maitri, more self-acceptance, more ability to be with who we are. There's a phrase in Shambhala, the Sacred Path of the Warrior that I really like, which describes this situation as “victory over warfare.” That's a wonderful phrase, victory over warfare. I think that's what it's about; that we have unconditional self-confidence so that we can stand our ground without being defensive, which is of course not always so easy to do. What I now do is try very hard to refrain from speech until I feel that I've reached that point. If something really riles me up and I'm tempted to flash off a letter or a speech, I check my body energy and often decide I'd better wait awhile.

So, I think that's some background to khandro Rinpoche's statement: “Anger is always a waste of time.” I think we have to unpack the word “anger” It's not so much avoiding feelings of irritation and frustration — it's acting out on them. Maybe we should use the word “aggression.” But then, you know, then there's the “but.” That's what this woman had in mind when she said, “But what about things that are really terrible?”— like battery, or murder, or all kinds of very aggressive things that are done to people that we need to take issue with. And that's when Khandro Rinpoche said, “I didn't tell you to leave behind your critical intelligence.”

In this particular perspective on anger, as one of the five basic energies of the five Buddha families, as I've already said, anger masks or veils clarity. The clarity is there, but as long as we're totally caught up in that body energy I talked about, it's very hard to get to the intelligence. That's why it's so important to let the anger settle. But anger or aggression, in this particular set of teachings, always contains some kind of intelligence. There's something going on that is worth paying attention to. The problem is we can't pay attention to it until we let the aggression settle. If we start investigating this a little bit, what we usually find is that very close to the surface of anger is pain. Very, very close. If we look at ourselves, in some ways it seems like pain is even a bigger problem to deal with, to admit, than anger. I think it's very helpful, when we're dealing with people who are angry with us, to stop, and instead of getting defensive and starting to give it back, try to see where and what the pain is. What is really behind this?

When I was an ideological angry feminist, it wasn't that there wasn't anything worth attending to in what I was saying. There was a tremendous amount of insight in my critique. It was just not being expressed very well. So finding a way to get down to the genuine insights and letting them out — that's a very important part of dealing with anger. It's not so much that we need to get rid of our anger as that we need to distill it: to boil out the stuff that isn't so productive and get down to the stuff that has some intelligence in it, and begin to develop skillful means for working with that situation.

One of the most important things to distill out for me has been ideology or fixed mind-cherished beliefs and opinions. If you think about it, heavy opinions are pretty much the opposite of the mirror-like wisdom that reflects everything absolutely without distortion. Opinionatedness is actually very aggressive, if you think about it. If you ask a teacher, “What do you most want your students to give up?” often the answer is fixed opinions and beliefs.

Well, you know, this is going to bring up another one of those “buts,” but if we're going to be concerned about the world, about justice issues, about poverty, sexism, homelessness, racism, homophobia — if we're going to be concerned about those things, don't we need strong convictions to be socially engaged? And I would say, no, what we really need is flexible wisdom, a kind of very flexible mind, not a know-it-all opinionatedness, because that's just going to turn people off. I think this is the middle path. People often think that if we don't have strong opinions about something, then we don't give a damn, right? No, there's a middle path between cherishing opinions and just not caring, period. We need to find that flexible mind, that curious, open, very malleable, very workable mind that is a mind of bodhicitta, is a mind of caring, but caring in a very open and flexible way.

So what is it about practice that allows this to develop — what is it? In this particular context, I want to bring in a couple of slogans that get used with meditation practice a lot in my tradition. One of them is touch and go: that when we practice, we don't censor or judge the thoughts that come through, which is one of the great reliefs of practice. It’s not about censoring, it’s not about judging all the stuff that comes up. But it’s also about: don’t lead, don’t follow. In other words, the thoughts come but they also go. We don’t entertain them. We don’t dwell on them. And my favorite statement for that is that we don’t believe in our thoughts, which to me is a tremendous relief-that I don’t have to believe in all my crazy thoughts. Now, there is usually a lot more space around the thought. And I can recognize, “I don’t have to believe in this thought.”

I want to conclude by suggesting that for engaged Buddhists, for people who have something that really is of concern, some real care about the world and things that are going on in the world, finding this kind of practice and this kind of way of working with anger is absolutely essential for staying the course. You know, the story of a lot of people who are very involved in social issues is that they have a lot of fire fueling their social concern, they’re very zealous, and then they burn out. It gets to be too much. I think the missing ingredient there is practice, where we can learn to touch and go with our thoughts, not leading, not following them, developing a mind in which we don’t have to believe in our thoughts, so that we have the energy to actually work with the situation intelligently and in a caring fashion.

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Subject: Hi Ducky


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Ashley D
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Date Posted: Friday, October 07 2005, 21:26:25 GMT ( - 8 )

Hi my friend ED Duck-man. Havent heard from you for a long time ( I also am guilty of that} no Emails or anything? You didnt even post on Justins birthday? :(

I hope you are feeling ok my friend and would like to see you come and visit Rick's and my forum sometime? Would be nice to have you as another member too. :)

You email me when EVER youwant and Make it a REAL long letter too ok? :) :)

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[> Subject: Re: Hi Ducky


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Date Posted: Tuesday, October 11 2005, 15:48:47 GMT ( - 8 )

Check your e-mail Duckie! I sent ya something.

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Subject: hoisted by our own petard(pecker)-thousands of tons of donated foreign food declaired unfit for us consumption by FDA and AGR. dept.


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rob
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Date Posted: Tuesday, September 20 2005, 7:38:45 GMT ( - 8 )

THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE LIMIT-BUSH NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED AND PUT IN PRISON

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[> Subject: Bush is not resposible for regulations


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MMjim
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Date Posted: Thursday, September 22 2005, 21:02:42 GMT ( - 8 )

The President is not responsible for the rules and regulations that the FDA and AG department enforce. If it is tested and found bad, would you want them to give it to you to eat? Do you want our sick to get sicker?

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[> [> Subject: my solution is to let bush sample the donated food and see what happens


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bush basher extrodinair
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Date Posted: Monday, September 26 2005, 7:59:13 GMT ( - 8 )

FUCK BUSH-HIS FRIENDS AND HIS SUPPORTERS--NOTHING PERSONAL MIND YOU

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[> [> [> Subject: I TOTALLY CONCUR


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DUCK/ED
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Date Posted: Saturday, October 01 2005, 1:39:10 GMT ( - 8 )

hmmmm HELL THOUGH I WOULDN'T FUCK BUSH WITH YOUR DICK LET ALONE MINE!!!

I think he should pull a year of duty in IRAQ same as the ground pounders that he has put in harms way - hell he can put on his photo app flight jacket - the one where he landed on a carrier and tried to convince the American people of his strength rather then the AWOL national guard flake that he is and basically declared the war over ummm let's see that was before the last couple of thousand young Americans gave their life's for Bush's folly

well he can afford to wind the war down now cause he now has a couple of hurricanes where he can feed his corporate friends a couple hundred billion dollars most of which will be squandered and accomplish nothing other then making the rich - RICHER

It will be interesting to see how much Halliburton manages to steel from the US TAXPAYER with this latest raid on the treasury -

Not against a huge federal recovery effort - but when only about 10 cents on the dollar TRICKLES DOWN to where it is needed - IT SUCKS

BUT MORE THEN HALF OF AMERICA VOTED FOR THE JERK AND THEY DESERVE WHAT THEY GOT!!

WONDER IF BUSH WILL EVER FIND HIMSELF IN A POSITION WHERE HE DEFENDS HIMSELF USING THE INFAMOUS QUOTATION OF ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT "I AM NOT A CROOK"

ONE CAN ONLY PRAY THAT HE STUMBLES AND FALLS AND ALL THE KINGS MEN COULDN'T PUT DUBYA BACK TOGETHER AGAIN - AND HE IS FORCED TO LEAVE OFFICE IN DISGRACE.

DISGRACE IN WEBSTERS THESAURUS =

dishonor, ignominy, shame, humiliation, reproach, discredit, odium, degradation, opprobrium, disrepute, disfavor, notoriety, scorn, derision, abuse, obloquy, abasement, infamy, disrespect, contumely, ill repute, scandal, disesteem, disapproval, disapprobation, humbling, ingloriousness, contempt, disbarment, unfrocking, dishonorable discharge; see also shame 2. — Ant. HONOR, esteem, dignity.
2. [Whatever lowers one in the eyes of one's fellows] — Syn. scandal, shame, discredit, stain, slur, slight, stigma, brand, spot, slander, blot, blemish, culpability, dishonor, ignominy, reproach, humiliation, degradation, turpitude, corruption, meanness, venality, taint, tarnish, pollution, black mark, mark of Cain*, scarlet A*, scarlet letter*; see also insult. — Ant. PRIDE, praise, credit.

v.
— Syn. debase, shame, degrade, abase, dishonor, discredit, deride, disregard, strip of honors, demote, dismiss from favor, disrespect, mock, humble, humiliate, lower, depress, reduce, put to shame, throw dishonor upon, be unworthy of, tarnish, stain, besmirch, blot, sully, taint, defile, stigmatize, bring into discredit, bring low, bring shame upon, be a discredit to, brand, post, drag through the mud, tar and feather, condemn to the stocks, heap dirt upon, put down*, derogate, take down a peg; see also humble, humiliate, ridicule.

ALL ARE CONDITIONS THAT HE HAS TRULY EARNED!!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: T-SHIRT MFG NOW HAS T-SHIRT WITH BUSH ON IT WITH THE CAPTION * IM NOT A CROOK *


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ROB
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Date Posted: Sunday, October 02 2005, 14:05:36 GMT ( - 8 )

I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT TEN @19.95 EA-----BIG SPENDER AINT I

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Subject: From Fox News


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Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Tuesday, September 13 2005, 20:11:23 GMT ( - 8 )



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Subject: Bush in New Orleans


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Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Friday, September 09 2005, 23:15:53 GMT ( - 8 )



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Subject: DOWN ROB DOWN


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ED/DUCK
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Date Posted: Monday, September 05 2005, 1:54:45 GMT ( - 8 )

gees ROB every time I think you have finally been paper trained you come in and make a mess!

It's not just one UK board ROB - IT'S THE WHOLE FRICKEN WORLD! The current prez as you refer to him has managed to destroy in a few short years THE RESPECT AND REPUTATION that America once had - AMERICA is an international bully and a warmonger.

The rest of the world no longer respects this country in case you haven't noticed worldwide public opinion of America has NEVER BEEN LOWER - As far as I'm concerned their opinion is appropriate and our behavior has justifiably earned world wide condemnation.

Rather then pick on those who you perceive to be your enemy why are you not taking those responsible for the DEATH of so many Americans to task?

WHY DID THE LEVIES FAIL ???? WHY WAS THE ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS NEVER GIVEN THE FUNDS THAT THEY REQUESTED YEAR AFTER YEAR TO MAINTAIN THE LEVIES AND THE PUMPING SYSTEMS IN NEW ORLEANS - EVEN WHEN THEY PREDICTED THAT THE DISASTER THAT HAS OCCURRED WAS INEVITABLE SOONER OR LATER IF FUNDS CONTINUED TO BE WITHHELD???

A WEEK AFTER THE DISASTER WHY ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE ON ROOF TOPS LOOKING TO BE RESCUED WHO STILL HAVE NO FRESH WATER AND FOOD.

WHY A WEEK AFTER THE DISASTER ARE THERE STILL BODIES SPREADING DISEASE FLOATING AROUND NEW ORLEANS???

WHY DID IT TAKE A ALMOST A WEEK TO GET ANY TROOPS INTO THE DISASTER AREA??


WHY DID EVERY JOURNALIST REGARDLESS OF MEDIUM HAVE FACTS AND FIGURES AS TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND AND THE HEAD OF FEMA DID NOT.

WHAT HAPPENED TO FEMA ???? WHY DID IT TAKE THE PRESIDENT SO MANY DAYS BEFORE HE EVEN WENT TO THE AREA?? (YEPPERS HE DID A FLYOVER IN AIR FORCE ONE ON HIS WAY BACK FROM ANOTHER VACATION IN CRAWFORD TEXAS


WHERE WAS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHEN THE COUNTRY TRULY NEEDED HIM - GUESS HE MUST HAVE LOST THAT FLIGHT JACKET HE WORE WHEN HE LANDED ON AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER DECLARING THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS OVER - BET HE IS KICKING HIMSELF IN THE ASS OVER THE PHOTO OPPORTUNITIES MISSED ON THIS ONE!


HE WAS PROBABLY TO BUSY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RAID OUR DEPLETED TREASURY AND TRANSFER MORE TO HIS BUDDIES THAT OWN AND OPERATE THE OIL PRODUCTION AND REFINERY BUSINESSES IN THE GULF AREA - INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FEED THE STARVING VICTIMS OR PROVIDE MEDICAL ATTENTION FOR THE INJURED OR EVACUATE THOSE STRANDED - MANY OF WHOM DIED WHILE THE HEAD OF FEMA HAD HIS THUMB UP HIS ASS AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BASICALLY IGNORED THE FACT THAT A MAJOR METROPOLIS AND HUNDREDS OF RURAL COMMUNITIES HAD BASICALLY BEEN WIPED OUT BY A HURRICANE!!

REMEMBER WHAT HIS INITIAL RESPONSE TO THE TSUNAMI WAS??

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE - HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF - THIS TIME THE DISASTER HITS HOME AND HIS RESPONSE WAS EVEN WORSE.

WAY TO GO DUBYA!! THIS IS THE LEADER THAT HALF OF AMERICA HAS CHOSEN - THEY DESERVE HIM

AS FOR THE OTHER HALF OF AMERICA AND THE POPULATION OF THE REST OF THE WORLD - - WHAT CAN I SAY - LIFE'S A BITCH



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Subject: PLEASE-ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THOSE TWO BOYS EXECUTED FOR BEING GAY


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ROB
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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 27 2005, 0:17:54 GMT ( - 8 )

IM NOT TRYING TO START ANYTHING BAD HERE,BUT I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE SILENCE TO BE FOUND ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS CONCERNING THIS TRAGIC EVENT..........ROB

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[> Subject: re:PLEASE-ANY


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Date Posted: Thursday, July 28 2005, 11:36:41 GMT ( - 8 )

Rob look arround its on 3 differnt message boards that I know of

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[> Subject: Rob when bringing up something like this you should reference your source - i.e. - it appeared in what paper on what date etc .......


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ED-DUCK
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 28 2005, 14:34:46 GMT ( - 8 )

so that anybody reading your thread can then find out exactly what you are talking about.

For numerous reasons I have not had time to go to any of the boards lately and I for one have not seen any news article on these boys. However I would bet that they were from a Muslim country where many boys and men have met a similar fate. It is all too common in the Islamic world - hell they even kill girls that have been RAPED because they think that brings shame on their family! Most of these incidents never hit the newspapers - just a few here and there and some get outraged and then it goes back to the status quo.

Let us not forget our own so called Christian Fundamentalists - don't you think the UnReverend Phelps would just love to kill as many queers as he could if he thought he could get away with it - and he is not alone

and these sick bastards do it in the name of God - they have for thousands of years and unfortunately probably will for thousands more

Evil men inciting weak ignorant masses to do their bidding in God's name THAT IS SICK and one can only hope that they they meet a hopefully very painful slow death, and after that will pay dues that make the painful death seem like bliss.

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[> [> Subject: here is a link


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futilis1
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 28 2005, 15:38:20 GMT ( - 8 )

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/07/072505Iran.htm

you will have to copy and paste

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[> [> Subject: sorry about the confusion ED, I just wanted to see what other people thought


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rob
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 28 2005, 19:43:45 GMT ( - 8 )

I was just searching for opinions--thanks...........rob

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[> [> [> Subject: A slightly different opinion


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A different Ed
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Date Posted: Monday, August 01 2005, 20:42:59 GMT ( - 8 )

Mixed reports on Iran hangings
Rights groups dispute claims teens were hanged for being gay

By ELIZABETH WEILL-GREENBERG, Southern Voice
Friday, July 29, 2005

A photo of two teenaged males being hanged in Iran last week swept across the Internet with claims they were executed for being gay.

The Human Rights Campaign, a Washington, D.C.-based gay rights group, released a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice repeating the allegations and urging her to intervene. The U.K.-based gay rights group Outrage, as well as Belgian Foreign Minister Karel de Gucht, condemned the hangings.

But the circumstances that triggered the executions are now being questioned by several human rights groups, which claim the teenagers, Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni, may not have been killed for being gay.

Research conducted by the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International has found, so far, that the teenagers were convicted of and executed for sexually assaulting a 13-year-old male, a crime that occurred when the two teens may have been minors.

Asgari’s lawyer, Rohollah Razaz Zadeh, told the Associated Press that Iranian courts are supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in jail.

“The judiciary has trampled its own laws,” Razaz Zadeh told AP.

But the lawyer said Iran’s Supreme Court upheld the verdict and allowed the execution despite his objections.

It appears that reports claiming the boys were executed for being gay originated with the National Council of Resistance of Iran, an opposition group that is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department. Accounts of the executions on gay news Web sites referenced reports by the group and its English language news site, www.iranfocus.com.

IGHRC, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have not yet uncovered evidence that the charges were trumped up, officials with those groups said. Asgari and Marhoni also reportedly received 228 lashings while in detention for drinking and theft.

The human rights groups note that Iran’s execution and torture of the teenagers remains appalling, no matter the circumstances.


‘Not a gay case’
“It was not a gay case,” said Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, taking issue with the Human Rights Campaign’s statement that was quick to condemn the execution as anti-gay.

“We would welcome HRC’s involvement in demanding that our government speak out on human rights violations. It was just the wrong case,” she said.

Ettelbrick said she was also disturbed by the racially charged language used by some gay rights groups to condemn the execution, such as when Peter Tatchell of Outrage said in a statement, “This is just the latest barbarity by the Islamo-fascists in Iran.”

HRC received their information on the executions in Iran primarily from news reports Thursday and Friday, according to Steven Fisher, the group’s communications director. An investigation to determine the truth is still needed, he said.

“We don’t give one of the most secretive, aggressive nations the benefit of the doubt,” Fisher said. “We would be relieved if reports are erroneous that these young Iranian men were punished for something that should never be a crime in any nation.”

Congressman Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), the ranking member of the House International Relations Committee, blasted the executions as violations of Iran’s obligations under international law and signs of bias against gays.

“This sickening episode shines a bright light on the severe shortcomings of the Iranian legal system,” Lantos said in a statement. “No matter what legal sources or traditions a country bases its law upon, there is no justification for whipping and executing people amid an angry mob — particularly not when the convicts committed offenses while they were minors, who are specifically protected under international law.

“And in this case, authorities apparently chose to play on deep-seated feelings of bigotry toward homosexuality, which can carry the death penalty in Iran,” he added.

Noel Clay, a State Department spokesperson, said Wednesday afternoon that there were no plans to release an official statement about the executions, but the department did release a general statement about the Iranian justice system:

“We remain concerned about Iran’s judicial process. Defendants are not receiving due process of law, and trials lack procedural safeguards.

“As noted in our country reports on human rights practices, the judge and the prosecutor are the same person, trials are frequently held in closed sessions without access to a lawyer and the right of appeal is not often honored.

“We call upon the government of Iran to vigorously pursue prison reform, cooperate with international investigations of human rights cases and respect international human rights law and practice,” the statement concluded.

Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi, an Iranian human rights advocate, said on July 23 that as a result of the executions, her Center for the Protection of Human Rights will intensify its fight against the use of the death penalty in Iran on minors.

“My calls for a law clearly banning execution of under-18s has fallen on deaf ears so far but I will not give up the fight,” Ebadi told the Associated Press.

Scott Long, director of Human Rights Watch’s Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender Project, said the public hangings were a “horrific human rights violation,” whatever the alleged crimes. One of the boys was a minor when the alleged crime was committed. The International Convention on the Rights of the Child, of which Iran is a signatory, forbids the execution of juveniles.

There is also uncertainty about the exact ages of Asgari and Marhoni, according to Long. Marhoni may have been 19, which means he was not a juvenile when the alleged crime was committed about 14 months ago, he said. Some news outlets reported that Asgari and Marhoni were 16 and 18 respectively when they were executed.

“We hope that the gay community won’t simply turn away from it if it may not be a ‘gay rights’ case,” Long said.

According to Human Rights Watch, local Iranian news reports tell a detailed story of the alleged crime, including interviews with the victim’s father and a description of how the 13-year-old’s bike was stolen before he was abducted and sexually assaulted at knifepoint.


100 lashes for gay sex
While there are serious doubts about whether consensual gay sex was the crime at issue in Iran, the story has sparked debate about gay rights in that country and elsewhere.

In Iran, homosexual intercourse between two men is punishable by death and homosexual acts that do not involve intercourse are punishable by 100 lashes, according to Hadi Ghaemi, Human Rights Watch’s Iran researcher.

Several countries in Africa, the Asia Pacific, the Americas and the Middle East outlaw homosexuality, including U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan, according to the International Lesbian & Gay Association Web site.

In about 70 nations, homosexuality is criminalized and in 12 countries, it is punishable by death, said Ariel Herrera, acting director of Amnesty International’s OUTfront! program. In Saudi Arabia, some gays who are convicted of homosexuality are flogged with 2,000 lashings, he said. Five years ago, two men were beheaded in a Saudi public square for engaging in gay sex.

Some countries that criminalize homosexuality charge the person with rape or molestation. That is often the case in Iran, according to “Dan,” an Iranian gay man who was granted asylum in the United States. Dan spoke to the Blade on condition that his full name not be disclosed.

Dan, now 30 and living in the Washington, D.C., area, said he witnessed two public hangings of gay men in Iran. He speculates that Asgari and Marhoni were hanged for consensual sex but the government said otherwise to squash public outrage.

“The Shariah [Muslim] law says the person needs to admit to an act of homosexuality,” he said. “Even if you don’t admit, they torture you to make you confess.”

When Dan came out, Iran’s volunteer military that enforces Islamic law came to arrest him, he said. He ran away, and eventually escaped to the United States.


Questions for Iraq
Human rights advocates hope that Iraq does not follow its neighbor’s path on gay rights. Some want the Iraqi constitution to explicitly protect minorities, including gays. The Iraqi penal code does not criminalize homosexuality but it is unlikely that gays will be afforded protection in the country’s constitution, Long said.

The larger question for Iraq will be whether the country emerges as a Shiite religious or secular state, he said.

“[A discussion about homosexuality] would become so politicized in the context of religious disputes,” he said. “It could create an atmosphere for a crackdown.”

There are concerns that if Muslim law, of which there are several variants, is adopted in Iraq then rights for women and gays will be limited. The New York Times reported earlier this month that one draft of the constitution said that equal rights for women will be protected as long as they do not violate Muslim law, sparking protest from women’s rights groups.

Even in nations like Egypt, a U.S. ally, where homosexuality is not explicitly illegal, the government may still target and persecute gays. Human rights groups have documented hundreds of cases in which gay men were arrested and tortured in Egypt, Herrera said.

“You don’t have to have a statute to kill gay people,” Herrera said. “The state can be very creative in terms of persecuting LGBT people.”

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Subject: HIV INFECTIONS SURPASS 1,000,000 IN THE U.S.


Author:
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Date Posted: Wednesday, June 15 2005, 5:20:02 GMT ( - 8 )






THE NATION


HIV, AIDS Cases in U.S. Said to Top 1 Million


By Thomas H. Maugh II
Times Staff Writer

June 14, 2005

The number of Americans living with HIV or AIDS has passed the 1-million mark for the first time, reflecting an increasing success in prolonging survival with treatments and a continuing failure in controlling the spread of new infections, government researchers said Monday.

Three-quarters of those infected are males and nearly half of them are black, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention presented Monday at the National HIV Prevention Conference in Atlanta.

"This is a heartbreaking milestone," said Craig E. Thompson, executive director of AIDS Project Los Angeles.

Men having sex with men account for 45% of the cases, according to the new data. About 25% do not know they are infected.

The number of those infected represents a sharp increase from the figures released in December; it was estimated then that between 850,000 and 950,000 Americans were living with HIV at the end of 2002.

The new figures, for the end of 2003, represent a best estimate of between 1,039,000 and 1,185,000 people.

In part, the new data reflect better reporting by the states, indicating that previous estimates were low. But the numbers also reflect a continued increase in infections, about 40,000 new cases per year and 18,000 deaths, for a net gain of 22,000 cases each year.

That 40,000 figure has remained constant for more than a decade, despite a 2001 pledge by the CDC that it would strive to halve the rate.

"It is clear that we have not achieved that goal," Dr. Ronald O. Valdiserri, deputy director of the CDC's national center for the prevention of HIV, sexually transmitted diseases and tuberculosis, said at a news conference Monday.

Dr. Carlos del Rio of Emory University in Atlanta presented new data indicating that the infection rate may actually be increasing and may now be as high as 60,000 new cases per year.

Researchers believe that a large fraction of the new cases, if not most of them, are caused by people who do not know they are infected.

Separately, at a news briefing Monday with the presidents of Botswana, Ghana, Mozambique, Namibia and Niger, President Bush announced that more than 200,000 people in sub-Saharan Africa were receiving anti-HIV therapy under the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, putting the program ahead of its milestones for reaching a goal of 2 million people in treatment by the end of 2008.

In a follow-up news conference, Dr. Mark Dybul, deputy U.S. global AIDS coordinator, said that as of the end of March, 230,000 people in Africa and 5,000 people in the Caribbean and Vietnam were receiving treatment under the program, commonly known as PEPFAR.

The program's short-term goal was 200,000 people in treatment by the end of this month, "so we are very much on target," Dybul said.

"These numbers prove that PEPFAR has been strong out of the gate," said Mark Isaac, vice president for policy at the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation. But "this is only a beginning, and the toughest stretches still lie ahead."

An estimated 38 million people worldwide are living with HIV or AIDS. The United Nations AIDS program estimates that nearly 6 million of them — mostly in Africa — will die in the next two years if they do not receive antiretroviral drug treatment. The most recent figures from UNAIDS, released in January, indicate that about 700,000 people are receiving the drugs.

About 54% of all AIDS funding in the region comes from the United States, Dybul said.

"We really need the rest of the world to respond if we are going to get the full numbers in treatment," he said.





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Subject: Hi ED *waves*


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Kris
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Date Posted: Friday, June 10 2005, 20:36:48 GMT ( - 8 )

Just a run through so you know I am still alive. Been having too much fun on Live Journal to muck about with the boards... my poor board is so dead I've had two archaeologists inquire about it! And I've so abandoned my old haunts that I got a message back about April 26th banning me from a well known board that I didn't get until tonite. That's the mail fer ya! Strangely enough I discovered said PM AFTER making a post on the board...

Ah well.. oh yes and a big thanks for the upload help! I will probably send you a couple more things here soon.. I'm such a pest arent I?

Take care darlin...

*waving emoticon*

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[> Subject: waves back - "yawns and stretches" and goes back to his state of perpetual laziness!


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Date Posted: Wednesday, June 15 2005, 4:22:15 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: To Ashley's Friends


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GreyCastle
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Date Posted: Sunday, May 08 2005, 8:00:59 GMT ( - 8 )

to ashleys friends,

ashley is doing better and has been allowed to get up more often.
though he is still not 100% he is feeling better.

the doctor says he will be out of action for another couple of weeks
to make sure there is no fluid present in his lungs any longer.

ashley sends his best and thanks you all for caring about him so.
our thanks also for your kind attention to ashley.

mary and david

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[> Subject: I hope he continues to improve


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Shawn
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Date Posted: Monday, May 16 2005, 11:09:10 GMT ( - 8 )

This is not a rant..so I hope it's ok to post it here. Just wanted pass on get well wishes to Ashley. I didn't know he was seriously ill.

Shawn

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[> [> Subject: yes its ok to post this here ..and I will make sure Ashley hear about it .. thanks ..


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Date Posted: Wednesday, May 18 2005, 14:03:42 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: A Quotation


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ED-DUCK
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Date Posted: Sunday, May 15 2005, 3:28:57 GMT ( - 8 )


"If forty million people say a foolish thing...

it does not become a wise one".

W. Somerset Maugham




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Subject: Does Sweat Turn You ON? Interesting Article


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ED-DUCK
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Date Posted: Wednesday, May 11 2005, 11:26:34 GMT ( - 8 )


from the May 10th edition of the


THE NATION

Gay, Straight Men's Brain Reaction to Odor Differs

From Newsday

May 10, 2005

MELVILLE, N.Y. — There are odors that drive a person's sexual response, and scientists have found that homosexual men differ from heterosexual men in the way they respond to such smells. Their brain activity more closely resembles the responses observed in women, new research has shown.

"This is another piece of evidence that the brains of gay and straight people are organized differently," said Simon LeVay, a biologist who almost 15 years ago identified a structural difference in the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men. "It is a fascinating finding, but still doesn't explain the origins of sexual orientation."

The new work, by Ivanka Savic and her colleagues at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, grew out of an earlier finding that brain scans of men and women differed dramatically from each other in response to chemical smells that mimic male and female hormones.

In their latest study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the researchers put gay men into a brain-scanning machine and saw that the region of the anterior hypothalamus became activated when the men were given male sex hormones to smell. Heterosexual men showed more brain activity in this region when smelling odors associated with female hormones.

The smells were made by reconstructing chemicals in male perspiration and female urine that mimic derivatives of testosterone and estrogen.

The brains of the homosexual men showed similar responses to that of heterosexual women when sniffing testosterone. The brains were no different from heterosexual men and women when responding to a nonsexual smell, lavender. The homosexual men reacted to estrogen in the same way they responded to lavender, Savic said.

She says her finding does not suggest that they found a difference in the brain itself, "just that the response is different." Researchers are repeating these studies in homosexual women.

The study shows "that there is a neurobiological difference between gay and straight men," said Sandra Witelson, a neuroscientist at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.




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Subject: MY THREE FINGER SALUTE TO THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION


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Date Posted: Thursday, May 05 2005, 1:29:23 GMT ( - 8 )






     




     




The above is from www.basketcasecomix.com
(some slightly modified by a bored duck)


p.s. Thanks for the pics and the link Trevor - kool site

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Subject: A must read artical


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Phantom Troll
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Date Posted: Sunday, April 03 2005, 10:46:34 GMT ( - 8 )

All the ppl I know involved with HIV are becoming very conncerned! Please read the artical it will say more than I could ever say here. I just felt it was time again cuz I never see post about this subject any more.
Don't depres this issue in your minds cuz if ya get HIV then you'll really get depresed!




http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/health/03aids.html?

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[> Subject: WORTH BEING ON TOP


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ED-DUCK
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Date Posted: Tuesday, April 05 2005, 2:06:04 GMT ( - 8 )

Phantom Troll - I'll make an effort to keep this thread on top for now - The article is definitely worth the read.

Those that are coming of age or have recently come of age know little of the horrors of the aids pandemic as it ruthlessly cut short the life's of so many in the 80's and 90's. Once again many gays and especially gay youth seem to think that it can only strike someone else - All Youth have a natural inclination to believe themselves immortal, until tragedy strikes.

I lost friends and many close acquaintances during the 80's and 90's as the epidemic was upon us before we even knew what was happening.

Many did not make it until the later 90's when the first of the protease inhibitors became available and the cocktails began extending the life's of HIV patients.  Now many have been able to control their infection remain HIV+ but have not gone on to full blown aids for 10 - 20 years with the new drugs.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ANYONE TO GET CARELESS


READ THE ARTICLE
ALWAYS PLAY SAFE AND ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS TO DO THE SAME

THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE RECENTLY OF UNSAFE SEX. MANY THINK THAT THE NEW MEDICATIONS ARE THE SILVER BULLET AND IT'S NOW OK TO NOT PRACTICE SAFE SEX. THEY ARE WRONG - THE AIDS VIRUS IS KNOWN FOR IT'S ABILITY TO MUTATE AND TO BECOME DRUG RESISTANT - IT IS STILL POSSIBLE FOR A MUTATED DRUG RESISTANT HIV VIRUS TO ENTER THE POPULATION AND SPREAD ITSELF RAPIDLY AND ONCE AGAIN WE COULD SEE OUR COMMUNITY DECIMATED. WE COULD ONCE AGAIN HAVE TO ENDURE THE HORRORS OF THE 80'S and EARLY 90'S - SO MANY DEATHS - SO MANY FRIENDS LOST - PLEASE PLAY SAFELY!!


I HAVE COPIED THE 3 PAGE ARTICLE AND UPLOADED IT TO MY SITE AND WILL LINK IT HERE FOR THOSE THAT WISH TO READ IT BUT NOT GO THROUGH THE SIGN IN REQUIREMENT AT THE NY TIMES LINK YOU PROVIDED.

I ALSO ADDED AN ADDITIONAL ARTICLE ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH APPEARED IN THE WASHINGTON BLADE. YOU MAY SELECT EITHER ARTICLE FROM THIS LINK

AIDS Fighters Face a Resistant Form of Apathy

 
Thanks for bringing this article to our attention Phantom Troll


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[> [> Subject: OT


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ED-DUCK
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 28 2005, 16:53:34 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: A friend is sick


Author:
Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 23 2005, 12:45:43 GMT ( - 8 )

For those of you who know Ashley from Austrailia, please keep him in your thoughts or prayers. His father says he's in bed for a while and they are hoping he doesn't have pneumonia. Thanks!

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[> Subject: In both


Author:
ED-DUCK
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 23 2005, 17:10:33 GMT ( - 8 )

I'll be sending a card this evening, in the meantime I'm sure that Ash will be in the thoughts and prayers of all his friends, which means God should be hearing prayers for Ash from around the world.

Rx:

STAY IN BED - LISTEN TO YOUR MUM AND GET WELL SOON ASH!

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[> Subject: Hey ...Get Well Wishes for Ashley from me too .. You better start taking better care of yourself .. or I will be kicking you in the bum .. :) take care my friend ..


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Rick
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 23 2005, 17:41:08 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Somebody send Ash all my best get-well wishes please


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Alie
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Date Posted: Monday, April 25 2005, 0:36:15 GMT ( - 8 )

I still don't have my own internet connection and am stealing online seconds from other people's computers.

Also hugs to all my frieds who still drop in here - I hope to be back later this week. If not check the news: woman from Germany blew up central telecommunication building. After moving she didn't get her dsl connection back. Doctors say severe withdrawal caused mental instability, the offender is in a psychiatric institution for close observation at this time.

PS: Nice to see you Trevor!

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[> [> Subject: all taking care of ... he will see it and hear about it ..thanks


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greycastle
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Date Posted: Monday, April 25 2005, 8:53:34 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Why ???????


Author:
GreyCastle
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Date Posted: Friday, April 01 2005, 14:07:22 GMT ( - 8 )

I just would like to know why is there some much hate at this place now ?

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[> Subject: I do not believe ...


Author:
GreyCastle
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 02 2005, 12:44:08 GMT ( - 8 )

I am sorry for all of the hate that is posted on here ..
But I do not believe that the owner of this board is to be blame for it all .. No one is making you post here but yourself ... I hope it stops soon ..

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[> Subject: YES IT IS VERY SAD


Author:
ROB
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 02 2005, 19:36:20 GMT ( - 8 )

DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ON THE POPE??????

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[> [> Subject: Opinion on the Pope


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Marc
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Date Posted: Monday, April 04 2005, 10:22:25 GMT ( - 8 )

Based on the most current information he remains dead.

If there are any further developments reguarding this diagnosis you will be promptly informed.

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[> [> Subject: Good ridance. Hopefully the next pope will be the last one


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Date Posted: Monday, April 04 2005, 13:27:12 GMT ( - 8 )


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