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WELCOME TO THE VENT BOARD

VENT IF YOU MUST - BETTER YET
BE GOOD AND BE HAPPY - - BECAUSE HAPPY IS GOOD!

This board exists so that other message boards can remain friendly open forums where people can meet, discuss, debate, be entertained, seek or give help without the distraction of personal arguments they have no interest in.

Depending on your Country of residence, threats of almost any nature may be considered illegal, whether they are carried out or not. Other then that, feel free to vent or yell about any subject and/or engage in verbal abuse of one another - whatever trips your trigger,
- likewise others may do the same thing - so if you toss dirt don't be surprised if some comes flying back your way. Feel free to have fun here too. It's even ok to be civil and enjoy each other's company.

The posting of personal information ie. home address, phone number etc., is not permitted and will be removed.

If you wish your posting(s) removed please email the board administrator, include the subject, author, date and time of post.

                                                               


WE SHALL TRY AGAIN  -  THE FORUM IS AGAIN UNMODERATED.

I'LL BE CHECKING THE BOARD AT LEAST ONCE PER DAY AND IF THERE ARE FLAMES OR MESSAGES RELATING IN ANY WAY TO THE RECENT FLAME WAR HERE THEY WILL BE REMOVED AND THE BOARD MODERATED AGAIN. RB PLEASE BEHAVE.






Subject: SUBJECT ??? ...... Your guess is as good as mine


Author:
Duck
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Date Posted: Friday, March 04 2005, 14:25:44 GMT ( - 8 )

 

 

 

 



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[> Subject: MOSTLY A TEST TOO SEE IF MY NEW #$%^ DOES WHAT A #$^%& SHOULD DO....CONFUSING AIN'T IT


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PROBABLY ME - BUT CAN YOU PROVE IT?
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 08 2005, 1:25:08 GMT ( - 8 )

JUST A TEST TO CHECK ON THE .....WELL THAT WOULD BE GIVING IT AWAY AND IF THAT HAPPENED I'D HAVE TO ???

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Subject: A Quacking I Shall Go


Author:
THE DUCK
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Date Posted: Thursday, October 16 2003, 8:15:22 GMT ( - 8 )





A quacking I shall go, a quacking I shall go Hi - Ho the Cosmic Duck

 

A democracy??

ROFLMTFO  -- Well it's true I sometimes let humans think that - but the reality is - I am not only a Duck

I am "THE DUCK" - RULER OF HE COSMOS - of which this galaxy is a mere speck.  Humans amuse me, that's the only reason that the thousands of other species throughout the distant stars have not popped this terrestiral speck of dust like a child would a balloon. The reality is that the sole justification for human existence is to amuse "THE DUCK".

Who knows another few eons and the human specie might even advance to a state where their morals equal that of most the other animal species on this planet - Have you ever seen a Duck kill another Duck?  and you won't - yep maybe in another few thousand years you Humans might let your barbarism fade into history -  JUST ALWAYS REMEMBER!!

Rule # 1 OF THE COSMOS - THE DUCK IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

Rule # 2 WHEN IN DOUBT REFER TO RULE #1.

New Rule # 2a.  Best keep the duck Amused!!



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[> Subject: LITTLE HOPE LEFT


Author:
DISGUSTED DUCK
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Date Posted: Friday, March 04 2005, 15:04:22 GMT ( - 8 )

1500+ AMERICAN DEAD - - TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQI'S DEAD
BUT ALL MUST BE RIGHT CAUSE DUBYA'S GOD TOLD HIM TO DO IT??

MUST BE A DIFFERENT DIETY THEN MINE BECAUSE MINE WOULD NEVER TELL MAN TO EXTINGUISH THE LIFE OF HIS FELLOW MAN

PERSONALLY THIS DUCK THINKS THAT GOD SHOULD FIND ANOTHER HOME FOR ALL LIFE ON THIS PLANET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HUMANS AND ONCE THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED HE SHOULD PICK UP THIS TERRESTRIAL NUISANCE (EARTH) AND WITH ONE MIGHTY DROP KICK SHATTER IT INTO DUST.

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Subject: Am I angry this morning?


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Monday, December 06 2004, 23:55:35 GMT ( - 8 )

You bet I am, angry as hell.

It's a scandal how the US extreme right and neocons are trying to ruin the UN - revenge for not supporting the invasion in Iraq and the surge of terrorrism caused by Bush and his con men, huh? Welcome to the Fourth Reich - get ready for a wild ride to absolute disaster.

And at home? Disgusting too, but more annoying than dangerous (not that there wasn't space for development), certainly not threatening world peace (yeah, right!) as the US of A's antics. The conservative opposition here can't think of any better policies than the current administration so they are trying to play the patriot card. Patriotism, one of mankind's apocalyptic curses. Will people never learn?

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[> Subject: Well put. I recently received a stack of greeting cards with a waving flag (and nothing else) on them as part of a business promo package. They were defective and I asked for replacements, hoping for a different card. I honestly don't feel like I can send those out to my friends and family considering what the flag means to so many right now. "Patriotism" has always made me a little uncomfortable. Guess I'm definitely not soldier material!


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Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Friday, February 25 2005, 23:19:56 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject:

Lyndie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 24 2004, 9:10:44 GMT ( - 8 )

You sho' is lucky dat dey likes toikey an' not duckkks!!

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[> Subject: He's alive!!! Good to hear from ya, okay even if it was back on Turkey day.


Author:
Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Friday, February 25 2005, 23:15:38 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: RESPONSIBILITY


Author:
duck aka Ed
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Date Posted: Monday, January 24 2005, 17:40:47 GMT ( - 8 )



In 1941 Field Marshall Keitel referred to the Geneva Convention as "obsolete", in dealing with Soviet troops during WWII.

That statement was used against him at Nuremberg during his trial for WAR CRIMES.

    He was found guilty and HANGED in 1946.   


In 2003 President Bush's general counsel, attorney Alberto R. Gonzales who is currently Bush's candidate for Attorney General the highest law enforcement office in the United States, issued a memo stating his legal opinion that the Geneva Convention was "obsolete" in dealing with detainees captured by the United States who are arbitrarily classified as other then Prisoner's of War.  In addition he further stated that perhaps the President of the United States as Commander in Chief was not bound by International Law and Treaties nor U.S. law on Torture.

Well after those opinions were issued and before they became public knowledge the world became aware of the TORTURE of detainees held by the United States in Cuba, Afghanistan and Iraq!!

Only after the scandal was made public has the administration declared that it was caused by just a few "bad apples" and that the administration is categorically against TORTURE of any kind!


YET

Bush's candidate for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and his pick for Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez refuse to define Torture to Senators during hearings prior to their Senate confirmation attempting to leave tremendous leeway as to what is 'rough treatment' vs. 'torture.


Just another example of the 

MORAL               HYPOCRISY 

of the CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS WHO ARE TAKING OVER THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

As for President Bush - not his fault - After All GOD told him to do it!!!

  TODAY      IRAQ 

TOMORROW 

IRAN, NORTH KOREA, BURMA, ZIMBABWE, CUBA   

AND THEN


THE

 WORLD


TO BE REMADE IN BUSH'S     VISION
AS INSTRUCTED BY GOD





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Author:
<:)a disgusted duck
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 26 2005, 20:24:26 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Agreed but please don't call them Christian just because they call themselves that.


Author:
Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Friday, February 25 2005, 23:09:03 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Y'know, just yesterday I was editing an e-mail for the missus where she was rightfully berating someone. She said she was "confused" by the mixed message. I disagreed and said she may as well be frank since she WAS NOT confused in the least, the other guy was.


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Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Friday, February 25 2005, 23:11:22 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Um - oops - I *AM* confused - this was supposed to go under the other - sowwy!


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Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Friday, February 25 2005, 23:12:35 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: UNINTENDED?? CAN'T BE - AFTER ALL GOD TOLD HIM (dubya) TO DO IT


Author:
<:) DUCK
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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 09 2005, 1:02:39 GMT ( - 8 )


Copied from (Comment-Editorials) February 8, 2005 edition of:



 

ROBERT SCHEER

Law of Unintended Consequences

Careful what you wish for in Iraq.


Robert Scheer

February 8, 2005

In a heightened display of saber rattling, President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have been saying nasty things about Iran's "unelected mullahs."

This is apparently so we'll be able to tell the difference between the theocracy in place in Tehran and the one coalescing in Baghdad. Although things are looking slightly brighter for Iraq after its debut election, it is still not clear why the United States has spent incalculable fortunes in human life, taxpayer money and international goodwill to break Iraq and then remake it in the image of our avowed "axis of evil" enemy next door.

In his State of the Union address, Bush denounced Iran as "the world's primary state sponsor of terrorism." At the same time, he celebrated an Iraqi election that handed power to Shiite ayatollahs who were sponsored for decades by their co-religionists in Iran and who share much of Tehran's vision of religion and politics. Does this make sense to anybody outside of the White House?

The final returns from the Iraqi election are not in, but it seems clear that the slate headed by the Iranian-backed Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution is going to have a clear majority in the new constitutional assembly. This is a classic example of how, in the real world, there is a lot more gray than an administration that sees everything in black and white wants to admit.

After all, Rice can call Iran's hyper-conservative religious leaders "loathsome," and Cheney can claim, paternally, that the United States knows many "responsible Iraqis," but the fact is that deeply religious Shiites with strong ties to each other will be in control in both Iraq and Iran.

And if what the mullahs have wrought in Basra and other parts of Iraq is any indication, the cause of human rights is in deep trouble — particularly for women, who enjoyed freedoms in the secular world of Saddam Hussein that are denied under fundamentalist Islamic law. Those photos of Iraqi women dressed in identical shrouds lined up to vote for candidates handpicked by the Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani were, to say the least, an ambiguous advertisement for democracy.

"Public freedom should be regulated based on the country's Islamic character," said a top Sistani aide last week, opening the door to the institution of Islamic law, or sharia, that would lower the legal status of women in all important family matters — from inheritance to their basic rights in a marriage.

What we are witnessing here is a startling application of the law of unintended consequences: A U.S. president who is intent on breaching the wall between church and state in his own country on issues such as birth control and the "sanctity of marriage" has now used the world's most powerful military to pave the way for a new Muslim theocracy in the heart of the Arab world. Furthermore, Bush has unwittingly strengthened the hand of Iran, a nation allegedly developing weapons of mass destruction and supporting global terrorism.

For now, of course, the slate is fresh for Iraq's incoming leaders. But it would be naive for the White House to think that a winning coalition headed by self-defined Islamic revolutionaries long nurtured by Iran would not emulate key aspects of their former Tehran hosts' thinking.

Mind you, there is certainly no harm in the U.S. strongly urging that minority and individual rights and the separation of church and state be written into Iraq's coming constitution. Washington might seem a bit hypocritical on this, however, considering the tight ties the U.S. and the Bush family have with the totalitarian theocracy in Saudi Arabia.

Bottom line, though, is that the Shiite ayatollahs have held the keys to Baghdad since Hussein's predominantly Sunni military regime was dismantled after the invasion. They successfully demanded an election in the midst of a Sunni insurgency and boycott, and they won it.

Washington has crashed against the limits of foreign military power as an instrument for crafting a culture of freedom for another people. It does not help that our motives are corrupted by a rapacious thirst for petroleum, our vision blurred by an insufferable ignorance of the complexity of local cultures and our presumption exaggerated by the effrontery of our own leader's claims to the wisdom of God.




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[> Subject: HMMM dubya has a direct line to God .... the ayatollahs have a direct line to God......
The results are the torture and mass murder of men, women and children and even babies
Does this confuse anyone else? Perhaps we should all pray that these self declared prophets
will get a "busy" signal the next time they seek advice from God via their direct line.


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Date Posted: Friday, February 11 2005, 1:15:56 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDTHRIFTS - FACT vs MYTH


Author:
<:) duck
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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 08 2005, 16:49:43 GMT ( - 8 )

Copied from (Comment-Editorials) February 8, 2005 edition of:




EDITORIAL

.5 Cheers for Bush's Budget


February 8, 2005

"The fundamental difference between the two parties is how big the government should be." So says Republican enforcer Grover Norquist. But nearly everybody agrees: Democrats bring big government, Republicans bring small government. It's not true, though.

In the years 1960 through 2002 (the ones listed in the Economic Report of the President), the size of federal government averaged 20.87% of the economy under Republican presidents and 19.58% of the economy under Democratic presidents. Republicans remain the bigger spenders even if you subtract defense, if you start with Reagan instead of Eisenhower or if you assign responsibility with a one-year lag.

When Democrats respond to any Republican budget-cut proposal like robots programmed to express alarm, they reinforce a spendthrift impression that does them terrible political damage, and isn't even true. By and large, they are making that mistake again this week. There is much worth knocking in the fiscal 2006 federal budget President Bush released Monday, but there is also some worth praising.

A president's budget proposal should be judged procedurally, as an accounting document, and substantively, as a concrete expression of the president's political philosophy: Is this document a true measure of the president's intentions, what they will cost and how they will be paid for? And are his intentions for the government worthy?

Whatever Bush may say about his philosophy and his intentions, his budgets have said something different. He is a believer in running the government on borrowed money. He took a huge surplus, turned it into a record deficit and now brags that he is on track to fulfilling his farcically modest year-old promise to cut the deficit by half before he leaves office. Budget experts doubt even this. The new budget, like the last, doesn't include the $80-billion supplement he needs for the continuing war in Iraq. Nor does it contain a penny for his Social Security privatization scheme, which the administration admits will cost billions immediately and trillions soon enough. Bush calls for repeal or reduction of various taxes, then counts on the revenue anyway.

Until this year, Bush's general formula (leaving aside the wars on terror: Afghanistan, Iraq and now tyranny in general) has been cut taxes, mainly for the wealthy; pay for it by credit card and leave spending pretty much alone. Now, safely reelected, he wants to take big chunks out of many traditional government spending programs.

Please remain calm. This is not all bad. For one thing, it reflects a scandalously belated but apparently sincere (and perfectly justified) concern about the swelling deficit. Second, unless he is bluffing, Bush's 2006 budget reflects an admirable willingness to take on some sacred cows. We especially applaud his tough words and semi-tough plans about government welfare for farmers. This program begins with a misguided goal (protecting a way of life), fails to meet it and costs a fortune. It hurts poor people in this country (by raising the cost of food) and poorer people in developing countries (by closing off this country to the only things they can produce).

Bush likes to emphasize, when explaining his cuts, that he favors government programs that work over programs that don't work. That is not a trivial consideration. We would add another distinction: government programs that help poorer people versus programs that help richer ones.

It is not a sufficient defense of a government program to say it helps the "middle class." Programs aimed at the middle class are often the most popular and the most pointless: taxpayers subsidizing themselves. If Bush really wants to take on Amtrak — all aboard!

By contrast, Bush's proposal for a tax credit for builders of affordable homes for people at 80% of the median family income has all the characteristic flaws of the Bush "compassionate conservative" approach: A tax credit is a hidden subsidy and hard to evaluate; the benefit goes directly to someone who is probably very well off (a home builder) in the hope that it will indirectly benefit someone who is not badly off (lower middle class), while housing programs directed at actually poor people are targeted for sizable cuts.

The coming days will see campaigns from groups affected by Bush's proposals, claiming that life as we know it will end (or, possibly, continue — whichever is worse) if he gets his way. Even those with more enthusiasm for government than our president claims should treat these pleas skeptically.



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Subject: About shirking and shifting responsibility


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 16 2005, 4:27:36 GMT ( - 8 )

So it seems Graner got 10 years and dishonorable discharge.

The real sleazeballs in this business got away with four more years and even added one more crook to their quaint little knitting circle. And as dishonorable they are acting ever since they wiggled their asses into power, millions of US Americans still see no reason to discharge them.

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Subject: 20/20 Matthew Shepherd


Author:
jr_avalon
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 27 2004, 6:41:45 GMT ( - 8 )

I normally don't post on MBs due to time constraints, but I am outraged at the lack of information going out concerning the despicable display of non-journalism displayed by Elizabeth Vargas and ABC. This is certainly no NEWS program!

Trying to make Matthew appear as some crazed gay druggie trying to solicit sex for drugs is criminal. Not one shred of new evidence was produced and only a few habitual liars were paraded out to confirm this "fact". Dealing drugs is a criminal offense. How she got away with this, I have no idea. I guess if we want to spread the news that Elizabeth Vargas is a child molester, it's perfectly okay to do so without having any evidence. How many times was Matthew arrested and/or convicted for selling Meth. For Soliciting sex? Where are the documents proving this.
And to make out these barbaric murderers as victims is an outrage.


IF YOU'VE NEVER GOTTEN INVOLVED IN STEMMING THE TIDE OF ANTI-GAY, HOMOPHBIC, BIGOTRY, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO SO NOW.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!


I immediately sent an e-mail to 20/20@ABC.com and I also posted a few remarks on John Aravosis' blog, which I noticed this morning was deleted.This was my message:

Nice to discuss orchids and xmas while ABC does a hatchet job on Matthew Shepherd, and tries to make out the barbaric murderers as victims.
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

...................jr_avalon

I posted it at 11:26 last night and it appeared in the blog. Today it is gone.


So much for a credible gay activist leader. As of now he can join the ranks of Andrew Sullivan.


If anyone cares, these were the sponsors of last nights disgusting display of humanity. I am still looking up e-mails and plan to send them to the sponsors with my intentions to boycott their products this holiday season. I can just as easily shop at Sears rather than J.C. Penny and Radio shack always sucked.


J.C. Penny
Radio Shack
Campbells (Chilli)
Canon (cameras)
Morgan Stanley Financial Institute
Elizabeth Arden products
Mucinex (Rx)
Toyota
Bulington Coat Factory
Pizza Hut
Office Depot
American Express
Verizon Wireless
Tostitos chips and salsa
Crestor (Rx)
Eternity by Calvin Klein advertised by Carson Pierre Scott
Kinsey (New Movie)
Homemakers

A couple escaped me but I think this is most of the companies that need to be boycotted at this time. Christmas sales are most important to these people and I would rather shop anywhere else rather than support a company that would sponsor the trash that ABC displayed.

jr_avalon

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Subject: Freakin online drama!


Author:
Kris
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 08 2004, 14:48:26 GMT ( - 8 )

Well I think I have set a new personal record. I was invited to join an IRC chatroom for gay fiction about 6 weeks ago, give or take a bit. Its a small bunch of people that met on another board and have become friends. For awhile my interaction was very sporadic, since my dial up has issues with it. On the urging of one member, a woman, I downloaded mIRC and have been using the 30 day trial version. I have 5 days to go on it.
All right, so I have been hanging out there and I "clicked" real well with the main guy. A really good looking bi guy from Dallas Texas, he's in a relationship with a guy and I am married, but that has never stopped us from flirting and having a good time online. Some in the chat room and some on private message. I like the kid, he's 27, a very lot. He does more for my ego than my hubby does. *shrug* But I'm an adult, I know talktalk when I hear it.
Well, yesterday he informs me that we have to STOP any and all types of flirting in the chat room because its been "annoying" others. I am like WTF? Usually I get thrown out for being in your face combative! This time I have behaved very well and I am being chastised for being TOO friendly!? It isn't as if we've had cybersex in the middle of the chat room! After midnight, it has gotten naughtier but hardly more than PG13.(theres usually not many people there at that time)
I know who has complained. One woman, the on who urged me to get mIRC, told me she was jealous of all the flirting he does with another woman and me. (Read that BOTH of us). Apparently, and Bri agreed when I vented to him, she has been used to thinking of this guy as her own personal property, since she has met him and all. And she had almost kittens when I posted a message from him in the chat room, when I was on the phone with him.
I mean holy shit! This one reason I hang out at gay sites,so I don't have to deal with all this damned societal bullshit and jealousy. I should mention that, the afore mentioned woman, is 46 making her 19 yrs older than him! Frankly I'm not going to get my panties in a knot over someone young enough to be my child! And he's in a MALE/MALE RELATIONSHIP! Helloo! Reality check here lady!

Anyway, usually it takes month and months before some drama involving me can be manufactured and get me thrown off the board or whatever. I'm not thrown off yet, but I am surely NOT feeling as at home and comfortable as I was a week ago. Yeah, four days ago he said "when I come to visit" this morning it was "if I come". Bleh..

I told Bri, I gonna stop hanging at places where the membership is less than 5,000. Then I'm just another lemming in the crowd!

Either that or I gotta learn not respond when someone is nice to me....

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[> Subject: Quackers girl!! and I quote "This one reason I hang out at gay sites, so I don't have to deal with all this damned societal bullshit and jealousy." duh or as Siah would say doh! what you think heterosexuals have exclusivity to jealousy and all the absurd but nevertheless human emotions involved with it? .....verbosity===>


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Date Posted: Thursday, April 08 2004, 19:58:38 GMT ( - 8 )

Perhaps you have forgotten the various movies .. all dramas, that a couple of 'Europeans' and various Americans residing in the Southwest participated in not that long ago.  Well at least they had met and their emotions were based on REAL/LIFE situations - doesn't necessarily justify some of the realities that occurred but at least makes them understandable....

How people can get in such a tizzy such as this other Female when their primary contact with another is through copper phone lines a CRT and a Keyboard I'll never understand but alas now days it seems that many feel that they can declare their "TRUE LOVE" for another human being that they have never met in person.  Personally I think those that do so have never experienced that emotion nor comprehend the depth and meaning those words should convey and I also think that casual declarations of LOVE denigrate the word and all that it conveys.  Guess I'm just a very old old old Duck who believes one can get to know another online, one can learn to like another online, one can find lots of things in common with one online, and it is even possible that individuals who meet online may AFTER MEETING fall in Love as I know those who have ....but I STILL BELIEVE THAT LOVE IS MAGICAL, MYSTICAL and SPIRITUAL and IT HAPPENS WHEN IT HAPPENS - but it doesn't happen to those who have never met each other in R/L.

Yes I realize that you were talking about flirting and not Love but I only had Duck Sermon 00.3685 handy so that's what you get!! So what is the Duck really saying ??? How the hell should I know except perhaps....

    TIS ALL A GAME MY DEAR ...DON'T GET SO SERIOUS OVER IT THAT IT GETS YOU IN A TIZZY   CAUSE IN THE OVERALL PICTURE OF THINGS  IT IS ALL LESS SIGNIFICANT THEN THE SMALLEST GRAIN OF SAND IN THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN     MUCH MUCH LESS SIGNIFICANT!! 

There always have been those both children and adult alike, that if others are not willing to play the game THEIR WAY - they will do their damndest to ruin it for everyone or in kid's vernacular "those are MY RULES and if you don't like them, it's MY BALL and I'll just take it and go home".

For children and adults alike who act in such a manner the appropriate response is tactful manipulation and to do so utilizing wit and intelligence so that they don't even realize that they are being manipulated and ultimately are acting in a manner that not only had they been maneuvered into but which would have been appropriate in the first place.

The inappropriate response is to have a huge temper tantrum and VENT LOUDLY at them and call them all the APPROPRIATE AND INAPPROPRIATE NAMES ....OH BUT SOMETIMES THAT FEELS OH SO GOOOOOD ...     even for a duck!  



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[> [> Subject: I know Duck, it just pissed me off. I just said "whatever" to him and then went and changed into a tank top? *evil grin* Let's see see WHO has the more interesting skin to show. *wink*


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Kris
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Date Posted: Friday, April 09 2004, 7:04:43 GMT ( - 8 )

And you know YOU are my one true love don't you? ; )

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[> [> [> Subject: Sniff - sniff. Now I'm jealous.


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Date Posted: Sunday, April 11 2004, 10:35:34 GMT ( - 8 )

But of which one of you? Hah hah! Hope you both have a nice Easter. Yeah, yeah, I know, Ed, but have a good day anyway!

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[> Subject: p.s. SAYS THE DUCK


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<:)dirty old duck
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 08 2004, 20:12:41 GMT ( - 8 )

I was about 20 years older then James when we met and over a period of 9 years we went from fuck buddies, to friends, to best friends, to lovers, and ultimately to soul mates who are united forever. He is part of me and I of him. Oh and we remained 'fuck buddies' throughout the 9 years even when we were "making Love".

I was the one that put up defenses and road blocks because of the age difference (we were both legal adults when we met)- the age difference never really mattered to him - of the two of us he was in many ways far wiser then this old duck!

It happens when it happens!

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[> Subject: *waves to Kris*


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Al
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 15 2004, 18:03:49 GMT ( - 8 )

Kris!!!!! now now you don't have anything to worry 'bout our dear friend. ;-) Okay i'm a visitor from the land of narnia.. no wait chats. I'm waiting for a cat fight to happen in there! it's so much more interesting than talk about "how's life" You need to SPICE IT UP! *grin* Uh oh. Who here thinks that I've gotten myself a lady chasing after me with a wooden spoon? *grin* uh oh. *hides from Kris* *peeks head up* Someone save me! Okay okay, here's my take. I know who she's referring to, and i experienced first hand her possessiveness. It just takes time to get used to it. If you don't like it tell her. *Grin* But you know what? Whatevers she says, it don't matter, what matters is what HE thinks. *grin* She doesn't rule your world. right? hehehe Nothing to tell us? ;);) Al

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[> [> Subject: ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *leaps into your lap and hugs the stuffings out of you* Why Al, you spicy little muffin you! You hot egg roll! You hot and spicy wonton! .... Dang now I am getting hungry.. *wanders off in search of food*


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Kris
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 15 2004, 18:18:11 GMT ( - 8 )

Yup, all I care about is what HE thinks! And since he spent an hour on the phone with me last night trying to tech my computer.. well I'd say what he thinks is pretty obvious.

And no matter what he tells y'all I do NOT have a joisey accent!

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[> [> Subject: Should I be scared?


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Al
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 15 2004, 18:30:22 GMT ( - 8 )

Now I'm food.... *vows to stay away from kris when she's close to silverware* *me wrestles the silverware out of kris's hands and then gives her a hug* A joisey accent???? heheh maybe i should call and see for myself. AND you can see how dorky i am on the phone. *grin* Who wants to join in on the tickling of silly Kris? HEHEHEH.. An hour on the phone eh? Hmmmmmm *scratches head* *grin* Now now be a good girl now! well.. at least no corrupting innocent boys!!!

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[> [> [> Subject: Honey, I'm ALWAYS good.. not that you are gonna find out..


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Kris
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 15 2004, 18:34:47 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: by way of postscript all I have to say is: HE IS MOVING UP HER NEXT WEEK!


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Kris
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Date Posted: Sunday, June 06 2004, 12:33:16 GMT ( - 8 )

Yep, he is moving in and going to start job hunting here in good ole Utah!
Decided after his 2 week visit in May, that he loved us to death and that Utah wasn't as bad as everyone thinks it is!

So life is good .. and I am happy!

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[> [> Subject: And four months later its apparent I have been screwed again


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Kris
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Date Posted: Thursday, September 30 2004, 20:32:48 GMT ( - 8 )

And not in a good way!

I think I have been the cash cow. Fuck, stupid middle aged ladies(me) taken in by young guys... and now Sugar Mommy is finished! Done! Not gonna put out another fucking cent for him. He can mooch off his girlfriend from now on since being with her has become his number one priority.

I have rearranged my work schedule, changing hours and taking time off that I can't afford twice in the last month, only to have him change his plans at the last minute!

I have put out way more money than I am willing to admit on him.

Fuckin hell, I loved him!

But I see now I was a means to an end. I should have known when he called me a bitch the first time.. I just ignored it coz he was drunk.

I'm going to Washington next month... if I thought I could manage it I wouldn't return. Shit I just want my house and my life back.

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[> [> [> Subject: The Kris I know DOESN'T TAKE SHIT FROM ANYONE !! It's YOUR HOUSE - YOUR LIFE - you want it back YOU TAKE IT BACK - at which


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<:) Abegail Duck
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Date Posted: Thursday, September 30 2004, 22:25:57 GMT ( - 8 )

point you will probably hear all that you have heard before, might even be some tears (use to work on me in similar situations NO MORE) ETC ETC ....You know the true realities of the situation and you know what you need (which is not always what you may want) GO FOR IT GIRL AND DON'T TAKE NO SHIT - DON'T BE USED NOR ABUSED - THE SOONER YOU DO WHAT YOU KNOW YOU WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO DO ANYWAY THE BETTER OFF YOU WILL BE.

end of Duck Sermon #3693.379 that will be 99cents please.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Awwww Duckie..


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Kris
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Date Posted: Friday, October 01 2004, 15:25:45 GMT ( - 8 )

Well I am getting out of town the end of this month. HAve a fun filled week planned up in Washington for just SIAH AND ME!

I have cut off all financial support for him, except room and board and food. We'll see what happens. At the moment I am moving through self pity into apathy. I figured by the time he returns from California I won't give a damn.

I told him let his girlfriend cart him around since she loves an entourage.

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[> [> Subject: Also by way of postscript..


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Kris
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Date Posted: Saturday, October 02 2004, 15:46:15 GMT ( - 8 )

I think if I passive agressive it the situation will take care of itself. He moved to me when his former roomie mentioned the dreaded "j" word(job) and said he couldn't afford to keep him.

So I figure if I just stop paying for any extras for him , he'll move on. And since the gf has bought him a couple meals, a DVD burner and is getting his hair cut and dyed today he's well on the way to exhausting her resources as well!

ORRRRRRR when she decides he's too expensive, he'll be crying on my shoulder.....

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[> [> [> Subject: Put a lock on the refrigerator and if that isn't hint enough changed the locks on the pad


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Date Posted: Sunday, October 03 2004, 2:33:25 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Wow, K - I missed quite a little drama here! Didn't scroll down far enough past all the depressing politics. Hope things are better. Remember who is number 1 and who is number 2 (family who really loves ya - well, I can't be sure of Bri cuz he's so quiet, but I think so! ;-) ) and that leaves a distant #3 (leftovers) for our friend. Hang in there, babe.


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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 16 2004, 20:03:26 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 03 2004, 6:09:04 GMT ( - 8 )

Hell and eternal damnation to Bush and all his supporters!

They just donated 4 more years of corruption, lies, greed, and war to the world. No doubt that your presidential asshole will double his efforts now, God help us all. What a pity so many US Americans are such beacons of ignorance and arrogance, I just hope what they did to the world will fall back on them. Well, the majority of US American voters just lost the right to ask how Germany could fall so easily for the Nazi brood, they can look in the mirror instead.

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[> Subject: Well, I've calmed down somewhat, but it is still unbelievable, very sad, utterly disappointing, and before all, downright frightening. But then, man is a frightening creature.


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Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 03 2004, 8:31:54 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: And a heartfelt thank you to all those who tried to bring about change!


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Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 03 2004, 9:03:15 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: No hope


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idrathernotsay
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 03 2004, 12:38:09 GMT ( - 8 )

Fundamentalism is rampant in this country. If you're gay, it's time to check into immigration to any other progressive country.

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[> [> [> Subject: Come to The European Union!


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Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 03 2004, 13:39:39 GMT ( - 8 )

The European Parliament just sent the whole designated Commission packing because one of the Commissioners-to-be had a pretty fundamental view of gays (for non-Europeans: Commissioners are something like ministers/secretaries). Immigration shouldn't be too difficult for US Americans.

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[> Subject: moral issues


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rob
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Date Posted: Friday, November 05 2004, 23:28:32 GMT ( - 8 )

voter exit poles showed a larger number of Americans more concerned with (moral issues) than any other issue.WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT..AMERICA HAS BECOME THE MORAL CESSPOOL OF THE WORLD.WHEN WILL AMERICA WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFIE..THE WORLD IS LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT AMERICA OVER THIS GAY ISSUE..OH WELL THE NEXT 4 YEARS WILL BE INTERESTING TO BE SURE..JUST WAIT UNTIL THE REPIGLICANS INSTITUTE THE DRAFT..ROB

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[> [> Subject: Wrong, Rob! The world isn't laughing heir asses off at any issue where your second term Fuehrer is involved.


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Alie
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 06 2004, 2:19:25 GMT ( - 8 )

The world is much too frightened about what Bush and his polit Mafia will do next to laugh any longer.

The world is much too busy for laughing convincing itself to not utterly hate the US of A, trying to remember that just as in 2000 the majority of US Americans did not vote for Bush and are just victims of a crazy and utterly undemocratic voting system and the inherent easiness of how results can be, and actually are, rigged.

The world is much to busy for laughing wondering and worrying how easily half of the US population give up the unsurpassed and unequaled freedoms they claim to have - sorry to burst their bubble though, there are countless countries that have the same and often more freedoms - because they mistake a totalitarian system for a safe living environment and actively try to export this perverted kind of freedom to other countries.

Anyway, the US real property business must have a blast at the moment. People who believe that Reagan brought down the Iron Curtain and Bush and his cronies have any moral values will believe anything. You can get stinking rich in no time at all just by selling them Brooklyn Brigde. Add some diversity to your portefeuille, maybe Golden Gate Bridge, Mount Rushmore and some other 'patriotic' landmarks, and you will be rich enough in no time to buy yourself four years in the White House way before 2008.

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[> [> [> Subject: The elections weren't rigged - the Republicans did their utmost to once again disenfranchise the poor but mostly unsuccessful - NOPE AMERICANS ARE BASICALLY SCARED LITTLE SHEEP and KERRY was the wrong candidate - If his running mate EDWARDS with Gen Wesley Clark as a vp candidate had been choosen THEY WOULD HAVE WON - not because the agenda was different from Kerry's but because EDWARDS has more charisma and General Clark would have overcome the security issues and also because both especially Edwards IS MUCH BETTER LOOKING then Kerry and the LOOKS alone would have been sufficient!


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<:)Duck/Ed
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 06 2004, 18:28:16 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Looks are deceptive and above all a matter of personal taste. I'd never vote for Edwards on his merits concerning looks and charisma, because I don't think he has either. But then I'm born and bred European and we just don't go for big teeth grin in politicians, it makes us suspicious. And I don't believe for a split second that the elections were not rigged.


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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 10 2004, 10:24:54 GMT ( - 8 )

Diebold pledged two years ago that Bush will win in 2004, and Diebold is one of the biggest donators to Bush campaign chest. And what's downright scaring is that quite a few of Bush's nearest and dearest cronies are closely involved with Diebold. Nobody but the Diebold bunch can access the voting computers. Exit polls - which are ususally congruent enough with polling results to be used as control tool to check if votes have been tampered with - clash big time with voting results. Jeb Bush said he doesn't see any reason why all those people who were falsely scraped from the voter lists in 2000 should be unscraped. Campaign managers for Bush were put in charge of voting places. As I said, I don't believe for a split second the elections were not rigged. But then, I'm only one of those cynical old Europeans.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Oh, I almost forgot my favorite, that county in Ohio that had 93,000 more votes than voters.


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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 10 2004, 12:54:26 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: What I ment to say was that the world was laughing at our (moral standards)...


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rob
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Date Posted: Sunday, November 07 2004, 11:19:52 GMT ( - 8 )

Come on guys I was just posting an opinion and not broadcasting some message from up high in heaven.Please cut me some slack--please......rob

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[> [> Subject: Unfortunately Ali in this election dubya did get a SLIGHT majority of the popular vote with the highest turnout in history of the US of approx 120,000,000 casting votes he got 52% vs 48% for Kerry ..Unfortunately dubya has declared that a MANDATE which is upsurd - but then again he lost the popular vote last time and still governed as if he had a mandate


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Date Posted: Saturday, November 06 2004, 18:14:13 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: And the American Enterprise Institute cranks out political agendas already which are downright scaring. Third Reich, second take.


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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 10 2004, 10:34:29 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Plenty of space around here lately and since what I have to say is in reply to rob's reply it also is beyond that so therefore I'll respond in a new thread


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<:) duck/ed
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 06 2004, 17:49:16 GMT ( - 8 )

Well Rob, although I disagree with the premise of your message, I'd say for you it is restrained and borders on being courteous - Congratulations although it wouldn't surprise me if your typing fingers are bloody mess cause I'll bet you were biting them well beyond the nails as you tried to surpress yourself from engaging in an angry onslaught! CONGRATULATIONS YOUR LEARNING!!...however

The author of the thread below that you replied too was not referring primarily to this board as far as the hatred being expressed but to some other boards - one in particular I'm sure

I concur with most of the authors thoughts - The American people DESERVE what they get and if they get what Dubya and the FAR RIGHT FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN COALITION perceive what America should be, they may be in for some surprises.

What are the last couple lines in our National Anthem ....

O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

..... How many have laid down their life's to protect America so that it would remain "Land of the Free".

To me that always meant ALL Americans should be treated equally - Not just some - ALL Americans with none being excluded because of who a majority at the time or even a loud minority think should be excluded.  Majorities change but our forefathers carefully drafted a constitution ensuring that certain rights were absolute - now for the first time in the history of the United States dubya and his right wing fanatics wish to Amend the constitution with the FIRST AMENDMENT EVER ADDED TO IT TO DENY A RIGHT AND EQUALITY TO A PARTICULAR SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION.

Furthermore ROB I definitely quality as to who you think should be able to speak out on America but it appears that while we both served, what we were defending appears too be two different AMERICAS - I was sworn to defend this country and uphold it's Constitution and perhaps one of the MOST IMPORTANT GUARANTEES IF NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT GUARANTEES IN THE CONSTITUTION IS:

FREEDOM OF SPEECH

To me Rob that MEANT ALL AMERICANS - NOT JUST VETERANS!! Furthermore it means not just AMERICANS who are citizens - it means that FREEDOM OF SPEECH exists FOR ALL WHO RESIDE WITHIN AMERICA'S BORDERS. It's fine to disagree with someone but to basically tell them to shut up unless they meet YOUR criteria of who should be allowed to speak out on America is absolutely the opposite of what so many of America's finest have given their life's for to defend.

As for me I'm disgusted with America, I think that the Social Net that has been carefully built to protect all Americans over the past 40 - 50 years will be torn asunder by the Far Right in power now. I believe that the rights that most Americans assumed were there's not to be interfered with by local, state or the federal government will no longer be inviolate - especially those of Women, as for Gays who just recently have seen signs of equality and able to enjoy some of the freedoms of the heterosexual population, they will see a significant reversal as already occurred in many states.

So with my disgust and one who no longer has the strength nor the inclination to fight the battle that I participated in during the 60's and 70's, I'll do my utmost to just stick my head in the sand and ignore America for now and hope that it's change of direction will not affect me personally. If it does then yes I will most definitely will emigrate.

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT - Oh how many times I heard that during the 60's and 70's! As I and millions of others protested and tried to change WHAT WAS WRONG IN AMERICA and there was plenty wrong - Vietnam a war that should have never been was being fought by an Army that consisted of a huge majority being DRAFTEES and most of those young men came from poor households and if you look at the statistics you will find that of the 55,000 who died unnecessarily in that conflict a huge disproportionate share compared to % of the population were BLACK because they came from poor families and in those days college was a dream far beyond the reach of most. The middle class and above were able to get deferred simply by enrolling in college or many other deferments that the poor were unable to obtain.

In the America of the 60's and 70's and before Blacks were still treated as second class citizens or worse. As for gays until 1969 we were too intimidated to even make a peep...So you may be one of those whose attitude is LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT - at the time with youthful exuberance my attitude was LOVE IT AND CHANGE IT IF IT WAS WRONG.

But alas, I am no longer the youth I was and no longer have nor care to demonstrate the strength necessary to right the wrongs - so if necessary I'll find another geographical plot of land where I can be comfortable.

Believe it or not Rob there is a whole world out there besides America and there are MANY countries out there where EQUALITY exists and the term means just what it connotes.

Once again though Rob, I do wish to congratulate you on your restraint - I know you have a problem with Anger management and you have demonstrated definite progress in thinking about how you are going to say what you want to express instead of just reacting.

<:) just a duck - a VETERAN duck who does not expect to be treated MORE equal then any other HUMAN BEING who resides in America just because of that service.




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[> Subject: Hi Ali .....I'm working on that email REALLY ...I'm not sure if this threat energized me towards that end or drained what little I've had - but tonight or tomorrow I'll bring you up to date . TAKE CARE


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[> Subject: To avoid confusion Rob I was referring to your reply in the thread "an open letter"


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Date Posted: Saturday, November 06 2004, 18:31:09 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Putting words that were not said or implied in robs post


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rob
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Date Posted: Sunday, November 07 2004, 19:08:36 GMT ( - 8 )

With the greatest restraint I must protest you putting words or making assumptions that were not said in my post..However I must agree with the spirit of your reply to my post but I most strongly protest your twisting my words and jumping down my throat..Sir you may have issues with me and that is simply a personality clash which by the way I strongly suggest you pack where the sun dont shine..Please feel free to reread my post but please dont thist my words or the context of my words

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[> [> Subject: thats please dont twist my words


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rob
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Date Posted: Monday, November 08 2004, 11:55:40 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Open letter


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Date Posted: Friday, November 05 2004, 14:49:42 GMT ( - 8 )

This is probably the best place to post this, since many members from other boards in this community stop by here from time to time. Moreover, it's basically the only board where you can still make a post without having to register first or waiting and hoping to have your post approved.
So I will post here, but if you want to copy and paste this to any other forum, feel free.
Here goes ...

The election for president of the USA is over. Bush won, both the popular vote and the electoral college. He won fair and square, there were no reports of widespread voter intimidation, fraud or anything like that. He was elected this time, not selected by the Supreme Court. No lawsuits, no recounts, nothing.
The election is over, time to move on.

You may not like the general direction this country is going, but for the next 4 years, the Republicans are on the helm. Or at least two years, if the Democrats can get their act together and stage an upset during the '06 midterm elections. But until then, life goes on.

I read posts from people who think about killing themselves because of the election results. That's just plain stupid! Those people are completely overreacting.
What would happen if they killed themselves? What would change? Who would care?
Nothing would change, and only a few people would care.
So instead of giving up on your own life, think about how you could make it better. Not for everybody, just for yourself. Stop moping around, stop pitying yourself, get out and do something!

Other people think about moving to Canada. What's holding you back? It's fairly easy for a US citizen to immigrate to Canada. It'll take about a year to get all the paperwork through. So if you want out of this country, stop whining about it, just get the necessary forms and get started. Good luck with your new life!

And then I read all those rants from activists, cursing each and every Republican voter, and the gay Republicans in particular. And I wonder, what's the difference between those activists and Dubya himself? I don't see the difference. They both have the same attitude, "You're either with me or against me!"
I know a few gay people who voted Republican, and and quite frankly, I get really mad when I read those activists insult my friends!
You know, most people don't define themselves primarily through their sexual orientation. Yes, they are gay, but that's not the most important fact about them. So when they cast their votes, there are more important issues for them to think about than who they are sleeping with.
We all want acceptance from this society, but in order to make that demand, we must accept other opinions and lifestyles too. Stop being narrowminded, and stop jumping at people if they have a different opinion. You want to be an activist, fine with me. Just like I tell those Mormon boys when they knock on my door, I respect your opinion and I expect you to respect mine! The Mormon boys do, which is more than I can say from many activists I came to know.

I used to be a regular on many message board in this community, but I had to find out the hard way that your welcome wears out pretty fast if you dare to have opinions that differ from those of the board owners and administrators. I came back because I was curious about the post-election reactions, and I was shocked to see all the hatred!

I don't care what anyone thinks about this post. I won't come back to check for answers. I just had to write a few thoughts down.


A three-headed dog

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[> Subject: HATERED??? I DONT THINK SO


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Date Posted: Saturday, November 06 2004, 1:37:45 GMT ( - 8 )

ITS NOT HATERED SIR THAT IS BEING EXPRESSED HERE SIR,IT IS PROFOUND SADNESS--PERHAPS POORLY EXPRESSED BUT EXPRESSED AS WELL AS ONE IS ABLE.PLEASE RETURN WHEN YOU CAN PROVE HONORABLE SERVICE IN OUR ARMED FORCES..PLEASE RETURN WHEN YOU CAN PROVE THAT YOU HAVE EXPENDED HONORABLE SERVICE IN MAKING AMERICA A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE..PLEASE RETURN WHEN YOU CAN PROVE YOUR HONORABLE CHARACTER THAT IS, BEFORE HELL FREEZES OVER......ROB

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Subject: the Duck makes an effort


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Date Posted: Sunday, October 03 2004, 2:36:42 GMT ( - 8 )

I emailed the following to tellus@kerry.com and am posting it here (the Kerry board) in the hopes that it further increases the chance that it will be viewed by someone who can call it to the attention of those have the ability to impliment it if possible and desirable.

Too the point!

If Senator Kerry wishes to win the election, there are very few ways he can overcome the Bush-Chaney propaganda machine with all it's lies and deception. Repetitiveness even when they are lies works and they have been successful with the public.

I doubt that the money spent on the 30 second spots is well spent money. All that is happening is the two sides trade blows. Tit for Tat and the Bush-Chaney machine is better at it - they have a natural ability to use innuendo, deceit and lies and come across with sincerity.

I believe there is at this late date only ONE mechanism that can work and work overnight and give Kerry the election possibly by a margin that at this time seems impossible.

PRESIDENT CLINTON

Yes I am aware he is recovering - which means no traveling etc - not necessary.

If he will agree to do a PRIME TIME or there abouts NATION-WIDE BROADCAST of 20-30 minutes with a HEART to HEART (bedside-fireside-whatever) talk to the American People as to why he believes this election is so important to the nation and why he believes John Kerry is the man to take us forward SAFELY.

He should explain to the nation that Iraq was a huge diversion in both human and monetary resources from the real terrorists and that it will take a NEW PRESIDENT with insight and one that has not alienated all our traditional allies to attempt to clean up the quagmire that was instigated by Bush at the wrong time.

Homeland Security - explain how it is way under funded due to the expenditure of resources in Iraq. How there is not a sufficient amount of Air Marshals due to lack of monetary resources. How our Ports and all other means of public transportation are vulnerable because this president has failed to see that adequate resources are available. He could bring up the Department of Homeland Securities own report issued today by their own inspector general on how there still is no centralized list of terror suspects and how the report accuses the Department of not doing it's job. How cities around the country are trying to deal with the additional security required after 9/11 without adequate federal funds and still remain solvent, with a pledge that John Kerry will put our DOMESTIC security first.

He should then go to current Domestic issues and cover such topics as:

What it will mean to the country when the next President will in all probability have the ability to appoint 2-4 Supreme Court Justices

He should DEFINITELY respond to the huge national deficit of the Bush Administration and how that is money that our Children and their Children will have to pay back - WE have borrowed that money from future generations without their permission! Explain how the tax cuts with the huge majority going to the wealthy is borrowed money that the nation doesn't have. How this president has increased the national debt by 1400 billion dollars (?) since taking office more then any prior President and up until President Regain's term I believe more then all the prior American Presidents combined (?) We are borrowing money from our children and even our children's children for tax cuts with the huge majority of those cuts not going to the Americans who need them the most and who would be the most likely to spent the $ but to the elite, the very wealthiest to whom it makes little difference and who are unlikely to spend any more then they already do as they have sufficient to buy all that they wish anyways.

Healthcare issues - how many more Americans are now uninsured since Bush took office How the Bush administration LIEDd to Congress about the cost of the so called prescription drug addition to Medicare and how it is a contract that is meant to benefit BIG BUSINESS. How one actuarial in the Dept of Health was threatened with termination if he released the actual cost data. How that bill forbids the federal government with even negotiating prices with the drug companies. The Bush administrations EXCUSES for forbidding the importation of Drugs from Canada by seniors who are sometimes forced to choose between mediation or food. Briefly what John Kerry will attempt to do about these issues.

Stem Cell Research and potentially what it can mean to the what it can mean to the country as a whole - especially the boomers. John Kerry's position vs. Bush's.

He should once again reiterate that unlike Bush - that Kerry believes this is a secular nation and regardless of personal belief's, a women's right to choose should remain the law of the land - which is unlikely if Bush is reelected.

Social Security what it means and why it needs to be protected and what of Bush's pledge in the 2000 election to protect those sacred funds held in trust.

JOBS - Bush keeps telling us his tax cuts are working the economy is turning around yet he is the first president in 75 years to finish a term with a net job loss of ###### at the end of his term. Bush blames it on an inherited recession and 9/11 yet every other previous President managed to create jobs and they had such things to deal with as World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, severe inflation and numerous recessions yet none of them had a net job loss at the end of their terms..

GUN CONTROL - of the belief that Americans do have the right to own Arms but that does not mean that assault rifles and 50 caliber weapons should be legal and because Bush failed to ask Congress to renew the (Brady?) legislation, once again the criminals will have the ability to acquire weapons that OUTGUN the police. No legitimate hunter or sportsman needs an assault rifle or a 50 cal cannon to enjoy their sport!

Other topics I may have omitted but not too many - Just the main issues - conveyed in a sincere heart to heart manner - a talk to the nation from one who has been in the SEAT and who truly believes that John Kerry would become a leader for a SAFER and more Prosperous America.

SPEND THE MONEY Campaign money or if legal DNC money get it somewhere and air it prime time with some lead in spots aired to let the nation know that President Clinton though recovering and unable to travel has decided he must speak out to the nation on this upcoming election.

At the end he must push Americans to take the time to VOTE - in this election which is perhaps one of the most important to EVER for our nation.

President Clinton is articulate, statesmanlike and is probably the only single person who could swing the election with a significant portion of those who have not ABSOLUTELY made up their mind.

I hope that this email gets the sufficient attention of whatever Kerry volunteer initially reads it to take the time and expend the effort to get it to someone with the ability to present it to Senator Kerry or one of his MANY senior campaign consultants for consideration - I truly believe THAT THIS IS HIS LAST HOPE OF OVERTAKING BUSH with a significant enough percentage of the voting populace to win the election!

Sincerely

EHG

ps Good Luck

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[> Subject: ummmm seems to me at least here in Utah Clinton is the LAST person Kerry wants publically supporting him. Just a local perspective and nothing against your fine post, but Clinton would make most of the wafflers around here RUN to vote for Bush. Just my lowly opinion, YMMV


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[> Subject: buy your island yet quckers?


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Subject: Happy Birthday My Friend


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Ed/Duck
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Date Posted: Sunday, September 19 2004, 12:21:11 GMT ( - 8 )










Justin was a precocious young man who often found himself either hurt or angered over the inequities and prejudices that so many of his fellow humans suffered. He had a truly kind compassionate heart.

HIV negative and never having contact with any individuals that were either HIV+ or had AIDS, Justin viewed the televised biography on the life of the late poet and AIDS activist Paul Monette and it had a moving and very profound effect on him. The movie was an awakening and after viewing it he seemed to truly empathize with the pandemics victims.

In a conversation I had with Justin right after viewing the Monette biography his words were "I had never really given that much thought to AIDS other than how not to get it until watching that program. It gives a little glimpse of what it's like for the victims."

Moments after viewing "Paul Monette: Brink of Summer's End" before the tears on his 14 year old cheeks had a chance to dry he was inspired to write a poem which he dedicated to Paul Monette titled "INSPIRED".

Rest in Peace My Young Friend.........Your time was short but you did an excellent job while here.

"We'll miss you Justy"

                              .....ed/duck

Many of Justin's on-line friends have eulogized him, left their thoughts or expressed their heartache over his departure at:

A SONG FOR JUSTIN

The following page was created by Justin and includes his poem "Inspired" dedicated to Paul Monette.




Dedicated to Paul Monette

Writer, poet and AIDS activist. Died in 1995 from AIDS with his third lover at his side, having watched his first two die of the same disease.

"In the face of injustice, not to be angry, is injustice."
                                                                                   ......Paul Monette



"Go without hate, but not without rage. Heal the world."
                                                                                  .......Paul Monette



Inspired
Too cold to live,
too cold to die.
too cold to fall,
and too cold to fly.
The cold bears not on skin,
because frozen is the heart.
The icy circles are run,
only to finish where we start.
We run for reason,
we run from our lives.
We run away from others,
to sprint to the lies.
We feel guilt to the world,
not good enough in its eyes.
For the world bears the frost,
to inflict the cold we despise.
So fight the world!
Break the chains it cruelly bears!
Your heart and rage are all that stand,
to fight this world's heirs.


...Justin David Vaughn



To note, the above poem was written by me minutes after watching "Paul Monette: Brink of Summer's End" and obviously inspired by the two quotes above it. I recommend eveyone watche that show. Movies very, VERY, rarely make me cry. It certainly did though. Several times. If you can gain nothing else from reading any of the above or from watching that show, then simply carry with you the message: CHANGE SOMETHING



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[> Subject: As a post script Justy.....There is not a person that ever had contact with you that was not changed in a positive way!!


Author:
<:)just me
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Date Posted: Sunday, September 19 2004, 12:30:51 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: That was fantastic, Ed. I love ya.


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Kris
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Date Posted: Thursday, September 30 2004, 20:34:48 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Hi Duckie! Do you like this http://grep.law.harvard.edu/features/04/08/18/112237.shtml ? I think you should.


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beretta M1 ( former brattyratty)
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Date Posted: Monday, August 30 2004, 17:25:05 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: idiots


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joemcc
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Date Posted: Monday, September 13 2004, 10:25:33 GMT ( - 8 )

your all idiots. bush like all rep. have made it possible for us all to live safer than all countries.

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[> [> Subject: Stick you head in the sand and pretend your safe.  Pretend that Iraq has not become a terrorist playground with tens of thousand more terrorists learning the tricks of the trade.  Pretend that invading Iraq has not been a huge distraction against the war on terrorism. .......[don't read further because I doubt you can handle the truth]


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<:)disgusted duck
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Date Posted: Monday, September 13 2004, 12:52:12 GMT ( - 8 )

Pretend that Osama is still not on the loose planning additional attacks with more suicide bombers then he can use.  Pretend that the pledges that Bush made to the Afghans has been fulfilled.  Pretend that the Taliban and Osama's terrorists are not in Afghanistan any more. Pretend that North Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons and that Iran is rapidly developing the capabilities along with medium and long range missiles, while we were digging up farms in Iraq looking for the WMD's that our President informed us Saddam had. What was his justification for invading Iraq? Pretend that Halliburton didn't get a multi-billion dollar contract without a competitive bid and even with that advantage felt the need to screw the American tax payer out of hundreds of millions of dollars by billing for materials and services that they never delivered.  Your a fool if you think you are safer now then before we invaded Iraq.  Saddam was a butcher but I can name a dozen other dictators as bad - should America invade all those countries? 



Most republicans have the intelligence quotient of a mentally retarded amoeba, as in Duh!!   Apparently you learned your English grammar from the same teacher as your hero G.W.



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Subject: still supported by 1/2 of America - the frightened sheep


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disgusted duck
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Date Posted: Monday, September 13 2004, 6:59:55 GMT ( - 8 )




1000 American Young Men DEAD - 10's of Thousands of Iraqi's DEAD including 1000's of CIVILIANS

would we really be there if Iraq was not sitting on top of 1/2 the worlds known oil reserves?

BUSH & CHENEY MAKING THE WORLD SAFER THROUGH OIL!!
(and the rich get richer)



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Subject: Today is the 30th anniversary of Nixon's resignation


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Alie
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Date Posted: Friday, August 06 2004, 8:41:03 GMT ( - 8 )

Who would have thought back then that it could get any worse? Today Nixon looks like a beacon of ethics and good governance.

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[> Subject: I was trying to think of a clever response to that and drew a blank as you stated the simple truth - There have been outstanding, good and mediocre and even bad Presidents but this guy without a doubt is the worse this country has ever seen by a huge margin and yet STILL 50% of America supports him, his extremist views his lies, deceptions and his imperialistic war mongering ways. Oh well not much a duck can do!


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<:)disallusioned duck
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Date Posted: Saturday, August 07 2004, 6:35:59 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Be afraid America


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Alie
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Date Posted: Monday, July 05 2004, 4:35:54 GMT ( - 8 )

of your noble administration because they are the scum of the earth.

They even have imprisoned hundreds of small children in Abu Ghoraib and other places, and they tortured small children.

Nobody can tell me the Washington pond scum didn't know of that, or not support it.

The whole Iraq war business was sick sick sick from the beginning, but this really tops it all. Obviously nothing is too horrible as long as it keeps the US in oil and Halliburton and the likes in profits.

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[> Subject: agreed that bush and assc. are pond scum but------


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rob
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Date Posted: Monday, July 05 2004, 12:33:04 GMT ( - 8 )

with all due respect,kindly post PROOF of your assertions about children and please be very specific..ie times,dates,places,and or people involved.Its one thing to rant,and i suppose one has the right,please rant with proof. .......rob

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[> [> Subject: Proof


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Alie
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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 06 2004, 6:07:30 GMT ( - 8 )

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6430.htm

There are more sources but I guess that you are less than fluent in the German language.

It will be the same as with the Abu Ghoraib scandal - well known and censored for months by the pond scum until it's too well known by the public to further censor it away. After that nobody but a few misguided troups will be responsible and Rumsfield will admit that he had the report for months but had not read it yet.

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[> [> Subject: It was in the L.A. Times this week about charges of some enlisted man due to the abuse of two Iraqi Children ages I believe 13 and 14 both young girls - READ THE NEWS ROB - that's just the tip of the iceberg -


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<:)Duck
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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 07 2004, 6:33:51 GMT ( - 8 )

Remember how the N. Vietnamese treated our prisoners of war?
Remember how the N. Koreans treated prisoners of war?
How about how the Japanese treated them or the Nazi's -

How horrified we were to believe that such barbarism could exist in the 20th century -

Now it's American troops doing the same thing - and more and more abuse is surfacing and the administration is still
blaming it on a few bad apples and denying that the memos from admin lawers stating that the President or Sec of Defense etc could LEGALLY order torture - were more then just 'discussions' of the various scenarios yea sure

the rest of the world now spells America as ameriKA and unfortunately their picture of what this country has become is probably much closer to the truth then most us citizens can accept - in 3 years we have gone from one of the most admired countries in the world to the THE MOST HATED!!

BUT IT'S PROBABLY OK AFTER ALL "GOD" TOLD HIM TO DO IT AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT GOD IS ON THE SIDE OF THE RED WHITE AND BLUE ---- quack!

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[> [> [> Subject: ps - the abuse of these young girls occurred in the same Bagdad prison what ever the fuck they call it where our soldiers tooks nice snapshots of themselves doing their evil deeds to other iraqi prisoners


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<:)duck
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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 07 2004, 6:37:14 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Hi Ali, - current administration in many ways reminds me of one in ur country about 60+ years ago - Take over a country and put in a puppet regime - human rights abuses - let a few peons take the rap while the administration issues denials and more denials and deny their denials - but


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<:)just a duck
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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 07 2004, 6:22:30 GMT ( - 8 )

seems many in the Pentagon and the White House have the same kind of penchant for record keeping that the Reich had.

Memo's and various other communications are now surfacing and it's almost amusing if it wern't so tragic to watch the Generals and Rumsfeld and his neo cohorts try to defend these communications and convince everybody that they meant something else or that they were simply 'discussions' of various possibilities that were never implemented - yea sure we are all idiots and we can claim "but we didn't know it was going on" -- sound familiar --

Born and raised in the good old USA - after half century there certainly were many times when I disagreed over the direction both domestic and international that America followed - We like almost every country have stumbled - not followed our supposed ideals - and definitely done some self-serving evil deeds - BUT I HAVE NEVER EVER REPEAT NEVER HAVE BEEN AS ASHAMED FOR WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME AS I HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST 2 YEARS - THE NEXT TIME 'he' TALKS ABOUT THE AXIS OF EVIL OR USES THAT WORD - HE SHOULD STARE IN THE MIRROR -

THANK GOD THE SUPREME COURT RECENTLY PUT A LIMIT ON HIS MANIC DESIRE FOR POWER - AT LEAST HE CAN NO LONGER JUST LOCK UP WHOMEVER HE FEELS LIKE AND THROW AWAY THE KEY WITHOUT ANY CHARGES - IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES THAT WAS HIS POSITION - CLAIMING HE COULD DO JUST THAT TO ANYBODY HE WANTED DO AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF - JUST LIKE SADAAM OR ADOLF OR DOZENS OF OTHER DESPOTS -

OH WELL I RANT YET STILL CLOSE TO HALF THE COUNTRY SUPPORTS HIM - MINDLESS SHEEP WHO IN THEIR FEAR ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP ALL THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS STOOD FOR BECAUSE HE PROMISES THEM A LITTLE SECURITY WHEN IN FACT HE HAS PLACED US ALL IN MUCH MUCH GREATER DANGER OF TERRORISM THEN EVER EXISTED BEFORE!! I STILL RANT

BY THE WAY STARTED MANY EMAILS TO YOU BUT SOMEHOW NEVER GET THEM SENT - SOON! HOPE ALL IS OK AND YOUR WELL

TAKE CARE

<:)ME

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[> [> Subject: Hi Duckie, I'm still alive


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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 20 2004, 11:26:05 GMT ( - 8 )

just barely though. I managed to get myself in a maelstrom of work and can't find a way out of it. I started countless emails too but I usually collapse faster than I can fire up Outlook. If this goes on much longer I'll have to start sending people empty emails so they know I still exist.
Hugs,
Alie

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[> [> [> Subject: Yeah, what she said.


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Date Posted: Friday, July 30 2004, 22:39:23 GMT ( - 8 )

Hey - good to see you guys still around and kickin'. I've just been soooo busy I haven't been on the net much in a long time. Take care.

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Subject: president bush


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Date Posted: Thursday, July 15 2004, 14:41:28 GMT ( - 8 )

this is quite possibly one of the most outrageous sites i have ever been to. to be quite honest i accidentally stumbled upon it while looking for porn. ha ha. what is up whith the duck thing though? i think that you'd be better off using a different mascot. maybe a chicken or aj buffalo, something that people can relate to. however the animation is quite funny. it made me laugh and i am a die-hard porn-a-holic. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!! i just wanted to give you my two cents on the political campaign. when the time comes to vote i am going to excercise my right to not to have to vote. it is my right as an american to not to have to. i do not want bush to be president again. i think he made too many mistakes about war, saddam, 9/11, gay marriages. the list goes on. i thik i could be a better president than he was. however i do sypathize for him. when he was elected everything was hunky dory. but soon after he was immortalized by the events that followed. he was forced to take action against an enemy that cannot be found. he was forced to kill a man that was too cowardly to fight like a man. he could not just go after some country and lead an attack...or could he? maybe he felt that it was ok to find saddam and punish him for something that had little to nothing to do with what happened on 9/11. he redirected his anger towards saddam because he knew that the american people wanted justice, but most of all they wanted blood. and since he couldn't fine the true culprit he knew he had to keep the americans at bay so he went after the person that they were already mad at, saddam. i ko not feel sorry for saddam. but i do feel sorry that he was a scapegoat to bush's failure to lead a nation into war outright.

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Subject: Article referenced in Ali's Post


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<:) duck
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 10 2004, 2:03:11 GMT ( - 8 )

The following article is referenced in Ali's post regarding Iraqi children and teenagers held prisoner by coalition forces and alledgedly abused by U.S. soldiers. In addition to this article I recently read in the Los Angeles Times about an enlisted man being charged with abusing two Iraqi girls ages 12-13 or so while they were in custody at the infamous prison in Baghdad.

---------------The Article from Der Spiegel---------------

More Than 100 Children Imprisoned

Report Of Abuse By U.S. Soldiers

07/04/04 "Der Spiegel" -- (Translated by SAB, NY) -- According to information from the International Red Cross, more than a 100 children are imprisoned in Iraq, including in the infamous prison Abu Ghraib.

The German TV magazine "Report" revealed that there has been abuse of children and youth by the coalition forces.

Mainz - "Between January and May of this year we've registered 107 children, during 19 visits in 6 different detention locations" the representative of the International Red Cross, Florian Westphal, told the TV station SWR's Magazine "Report Mainz". He noted that these were places of detention controlled by coalition troops. According to Westphal the number of children held captive could be even higher.

The TV Magazine also reported of evidence and eye witness reports according to which U.S. soldiers also abused children and youthful detainees. Samuel Provance, a staff sergeant stationed in the now infamous Abu Ghraib prison said that interrogating officers had pressured a 15 or 16 year old girl. Military police had only intervened when the girl was already half undressed. On another occasion, a 16 year old was soaked with water, driven through the cold, and then smeared with mud.

UNICEF, the United Nations Children's Fund, confirmed the detention of Iraqi children by foreign military according to "Report" which cited an interim memorandum by the organization, The as yet unreleased report, which is dated June 2004, is quoted as follows: "Children who were detained in the cities of Kerbala and Basra because of alleged activities against the occupying forces were reportedly routinely sent to a detention camp at Umm Kasr. The classification of these children as detainees is worrisome because it includes unspecified length of detention without contact to their families pending further proceedings or legal actions".

The German section of the human rights organization Amnesty International is demanding a clarification of the allegations and a response from the US government.

© SPIEGEL ONLINE 2004



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Subject: quiet in here - but QUIET is GOOD


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that @#%$&# duck
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Date Posted: Sunday, June 27 2004, 9:01:22 GMT ( - 8 )





A quacking he shall go,
a quacking he shall go,
hi-ho the cosmic duck,
a quacking he shall go


Be Good and Be Happy
Because Happy is Good


 

 



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[> Subject: We could always stir some stuff up people,but bad idea


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rob
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Date Posted: Tuesday, June 29 2004, 17:32:11 GMT ( - 8 )

Lets get some action on this board,too many people sleeping.GOD BLESS THE DUCK---------VOTE KERRY-----rob

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Subject: Mouth, mine in particular...


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JJB
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Date Posted: Wednesday, June 16 2004, 5:45:22 GMT ( - 8 )

(set rant 'true')
You know, it has to be some really perverse, subconscious skill. And apparently, I excell at it. I mean, you'd think that in... almost 2 years, I'd have learned what not to say, but nooooooooo. I just have to say all the wrong things. Road to hell (or atleast to hurting your friends) really is paved with good intentions, and you're looking at the future ruler of the place. One of these days, I'll just sew my mouth shut and cut of my fingers, or something... Be a lot easier for everyone.
(set rant 'false')

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Subject: ...


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Date Posted: Sunday, June 13 2004, 17:32:55 GMT ( - 8 )

JB, drop dead and go to hell!

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Subject: Message subject (required):.......ummm........ducktape!! :-)


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Date Posted: Friday, May 28 2004, 22:45:25 GMT ( - 8 )

It has been along time since I posted anything.....so I thought I might as well post what's been going on in my life lately.

I wish I could say all was well.....but I can't!! :-(

Well I am alive so that is good!! :-)

On March 12.....while I was grouting tile at one of my houses. I started getting really bad chest pains....in fact I was getting them all that week. But they were not that bad. I thought it was just heartburn or something....so I ignored it!! Well on that day the pain was REALLY bad....it was lasting along time. The other times it happened they went away fast. Not this day....they seemed to last forever. Then finally it would not go away at all.....my left arm started hurting, my jaw and my upper middle back.....oh yeah and my hands felt like they were asleep. So I went to Safeway and took my blood presure....it was 183 over 140 with a purse rate of 42. Well I knew that was not good.....so I went to the ER. They did a EKG and found out I was having a heart attack!! Well do to my family history.....(the fact my sister died at the age of 33 from a massive heart attack, 2 years ago)....they decide to do the ballon thingy....not exactly sure what it is called. They go up through your groin and put a ballon in your heart to open the blockage. Well they did that and added a stent (a little spring like thing that holds the blood vesal open). So I had that done....everything went well....until the next day when they got me out of bed (which was way to soon) the puncture poped open and blood was going everywhere. They had to hold presure on it till it stoped (which hurt like a son of a bitch) After that they put a 15 pound weight on it for 6 hours. Then they moved me to another room....I was in ICU. I was doing good.....went to the bathroom (in this stupid plastic thnig...while in bed) Right after I pissed.....I knew something wasn't right!! It felt like my guts where beeing filled with something....it felt like I was going to explode. So my mom called in the nurse....well I was himridging (sp?...not a clue how to spell that) basically I was bleeding under my skin. So the nurse applied pressure....well I thought it hurt the first time in ICU....boy was I wrong!! It hurt so fucking bad I thought I was going to die from the pain. (the heart attack didn't even hurt that much) Well with the pain sooooo bad!!!....it was making me throw up....which was making everything worse. FINALLY!!!....the drugs kicked in!! Then they had to apply a 30 pound wait on my groin for another 6 hours. I was drugged up so much this time to notice it....thank God!!!

I made it through that!!!......then I found out I ended up getting a blood clog...which meant staying many more days in the hospital. Then to top it off I got a bladder infection from when they put in the cafiter (sp?). So that made my days in the hospital even worse!!

But to make it worse!!!....when I did get out of the hospital.....a week later. I had to go to a urologist and have a VERY PAINFULL procedure done.....they put a microscope thing straight up your dick to look inside your bladder.....VERY PAINFULL!!!....then I had to have it done again six weeks later....which I did and everything looked good!! :-) that part of me was back to normal.

I also went to my Cardiologist a few weeks back to take a stress test....and everything turned out good. I am now slowly getting back to good health....if not better!!

I guess I rambled on long enough!!!....I will let you get back to doing something a little more exciting then reading my post. :-)

Brad

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[> Subject: YIKES! Brad you take care, you hear me?! Don't make me come over there! hahahaha


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Date Posted: Sunday, June 06 2004, 12:26:31 GMT ( - 8 )

I was getting out the video camera to take some footage of Siah and Dustin, who was visiting, last month and I found some footage of when we were all in Arizona in 99! Siah at three! It was when we went to explore the cave.. pity Bri didnt get any of Siah and me falling in the pond!

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Subject: Would be me a better president than Bush?


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Date Posted: Sunday, May 23 2004, 20:28:40 GMT ( - 8 )

I found this cleaning up my old archives. It is a short essay written a year ago at my college. We were asked what we would do if we were American presidents. ( it was English lessons. Sorry, I got no idea in which way this is related to studying English language. Ask my teachers) My answer was the shortest of all and I’m afraid it didn’t satisfy my teacher.
“ If I was an American President I would
1.) Try to steal as much money as I could, to live happily somewhere on Bermudas or in Liechtenstein or in New Zealand. This money will be stolen anyway, so it would be much better if they were stolen by an honest boy like me than by some crookies, right?
2.) Never sign any orders and papers regardless how much my stupid advisors and ministers wanted me to sign them. I would say ‘Sorry guys I’ve lost my pen… and then, I’m busy now. So later, later…'
3.) I would take part in all international conferences, summits, meetings, holydays and birthday parties of all presidents, PM’s, monarchs over the world. I would try to taste all sandwiches and wines available there. ( isn’t this the main purpose of international conferences?) Of course I would never sign any communiqués and resolutions.
4.) I would pose for popular magazines and give a lot of interviews about any topic like sports, fashions, cars, music, movies, life on other planets so on. Never about politics of course.
5.) I would veto all laws inventing by Congress, not bothering myself to read them.
Considering all written above , it is obvious I would be the best president in American history.”
Would you vote for me?

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[> Subject: Bratty, stay off of politics and get back to making flash movies, that's more where your talents lie!


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Date Posted: Monday, May 24 2004, 0:14:00 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Why is everybody (at least in the Bush administration) so astonished about the US military torturing prisoners


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Alie
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Date Posted: Thursday, May 06 2004, 4:15:30 GMT ( - 8 )

when everybody (at least in the Bush administration) perfectly knows that this routinely happened and still happens in Afghanistan, not to mention Guantanamo Bay? When this is an accepted routine procedure of the CIA?

Hypocritical pondscum!

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[> Subject: Who the hell says they are astonished?


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Date Posted: Friday, May 14 2004, 4:28:54 GMT ( - 8 )

Who the hell says they are astonished? It is just a figure of speech, a diplomatic code language…
Hey Alie! Do you want a battle?
Duel!
My point is- Bush didn’t have to apologise for those bastards! He didn’t torture anybody so he is not guilty!
You don’t agree I know but anyway, the ball on your field. Come on!
( be warned! You deal with new wise me )

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[> [> Subject: They themselves said so, didn't you read or see the news?


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Alie
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Date Posted: Monday, May 17 2004, 6:16:00 GMT ( - 8 )

I know it's just rhetorics. I've been involved in policymaking long enough to sort truth from fiction and I've never been naive.

Of course Bush didn't need to apologize. Who on earth wants phony apologies from sanctimonius crooks who give the term "white Trash" a whole new meaning and are worth less than a dogpile? His apologies only add to abuse and insult.

He loves to see himself as a great leader and he ist the commander-in-chief. If you have a dog and cannot keep it from biting the postman, and in fact even ecourage your dog to bite the postman, it's of course neither your responsibility nor that of your dog. The postman is guilty, no doubt.

Sorry Bratty, I don't fight battles over vermin and parasites, I fight battles against them to get rid of the pollution asap.

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[> [> [> Subject: It seems I haven’t explained my point clearly.


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Date Posted: Sunday, May 23 2004, 19:21:35 GMT ( - 8 )

I mean Bush doesn’t have to apologise because he is not guilty. The dog example is wrong, dog is just an animal and can’t make decisions by itself. Bush is not guilty because he didn’t kill nor torture anybody personally. If even he directly ordered this ( but he didn’t) he wouldn’t be guilty anyway.
Well, I put this in more sharp way. If Hitler was alive and sued for crimes committed by Nazis during WWII, and you was a judge what would your verdict be?
Mine is: not guilty.

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[> Subject: Ah well, Rumsfeld finally did something about it!


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Alie
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Date Posted: Sunday, May 23 2004, 5:06:29 GMT ( - 8 )

Today he prohibited that US troops use mobile phones with built-in digital cameras in Iraq. That really should help solving all those nasty unpleasantnesses once and forever!

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Subject: SNIDE?? quack quack hurummmph!


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<:)duck
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Date Posted: Saturday, March 27 2004, 19:52:24 GMT ( - 8 )



ah thinks that the definition of snide and its synonyms fit
what's his name u know oh yea dubya perfectly
the difference is I can pronounce them and he can't

snide (adj.) as defined by Websters New World Dictionary & Thesaurus

 slyly malicious or derisive

--Syn. base, malicious, mean;  see sarcastic, scornful

sarcastic modif.

— Syn. scornful, mocking, ironical, snide, satirical, taunting, severe, derisive, sardonic,
bitter, saucy, hostile, sneering, snickering, quizzical, arrogant, Rabelaisian, Hudibrastic,
disrespectful, scurrile, scurrilous, chaffing, twitting, offensive, irascible, carping, cynical,
disillusioned, snarling, unbelieving, corrosive, acid, cutting, contemptuous, scorching,
captious, sharp, acrimonious, pert, brusque, caustic, biting, harsh, austere, contumelious, grim.


scornful modif.

— Syn. contemptuous, disdainful, haughty, supercilious, overbearing, arrogant, insolent, cynical,
sneering, hypercritical, with the nose in the air*, toplofty*, snooty*;

 



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[> Subject: Poor Pink Ducks…


Author:
brattyratty
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 31 2004, 7:01:07 GMT ( - 8 )

They are living in Cosmos so they have weird ideas about Earth life.
They think Kerry would be better than Bush. They probably think that to be kicked to a left hemisphere of an a… sorry, I mean that specific part of a human body, is better than to be kicked to a right hemisphere. Did they ever learn history? Do they know whether so called Democrats ( who are supposed to be left ( why left?)-wing liberals) or so called Republicans ( who are supposed to be right ( why right?)-wing conservatives) started more wars? God forgive me but I am so uneducated that I thought W. Wilson, F. D. Roosevelt, J. F. Kennedy, L.B. Johnson, W. J. Clinton and other bombing guys were Democrats that means Liberals? Didn’t they want to liberate these or those? Using everything they had including ( as in the case of the great Democrat, Liberal and Liberator H. S. Truman) nuclear bombs? Mr Bush The Second is trying to liberate some part of the Globe that wasn’t be liberated by his predecessors. Mr Kerry if he will be the next Father of the Nation will try to liberate something else. What the reason of Ducks’ concern? Liberation people from themselves is the core idea of human history and it is the high time for Ducks to realise this.
PS Sorry I didn’t post here for ages. That means is found guilty. But be merciful please I had hard times, really. If some ducks are not against I have a little flash movie to send here…

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[> [> Subject: heck I would make a special trip to this screwed up solar system for one of your flash movies! perhaps we can agree that 97.69% of all politicians SUK and the other 2.31% usually lose at election time


Author:
<:) duck
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Date Posted: Sunday, April 04 2004, 1:23:43 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: Sorry Duckie!


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brattyratty
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Date Posted: Monday, April 12 2004, 0:58:22 GMT ( - 8 )

Sorry Duckie!
My stuff is ALMOST finished but my f-ng machine has cracked. And I can’t fix it right now. So I’m cracking up too and I have to post from my college’s comper. Wait a little, ok? My solar system is not far away from your screwed one…
BTW if you think that “97.69% of all politicians SUK and the other 2.31% usually lose at election time”- and this is happening on The Land Of Free established by those stupid… sorry, I mean great and wise Founding Fathers why the heck you are not against any political system at all and praise socialist bastards like Jimmie Carter and Adolph Nader? (Though please excuse me if you don’t support the latter).

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[> [> [> [> Subject: if you can transcend this physical dimension and contact Ms Lillian I'm absolutely positive she will declare that Jimmy is definitely not a bastard and being a Southern Lady she probably will never admit that she has her doubts about Billy though.


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<:)a duck of questionable sanity
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Date Posted: Tuesday, April 13 2004, 4:30:24 GMT ( - 8 )

The reality is I'm one of 7.4867 residents of the US that is very fond of ol Jimmy C and unlike the current mentally challenged moron Jimmy actually was not only quite bright, I believe his doctorate was in nuclear physics, he had morals which of course is not a positive trait for politicians and presidents and politician/presidents.

Nader is an egomaniac who is also a fool who is milking a few minor very old achievements for everything he can get out of them regardless if by doing so he causes the reelection of true peanut brain who is not a Georgia Native and who is for everything he is against and against everything he is for. Of course he is aware that everything he is for he is willing to be against and everything he is against he will willing to be for if by doing so it is to his advantage. To condense duck verbosity to a relativily few words -- NADER IS A JERK.

Do you get a thrill sexual or otherwise out of the WORD anarchy or do you have to be surrounded by it, immersed in such events which by definition are not events in order to maximize your titilation???

I think you should adopt our nuclear armed cowboy and who knows the two of you should really hit it off once you learn to talk with a texas drawl - using incomplete sentence structure - leaving out all information that is specific or too the point and replacing it with lies, innuendo and if necessary threats to get your way. Heck if you can learn to lie effectively you two should really trip each other's trigger -

Remember though ol dubya gets very insulted if you utilize them big words with more then 1 or 2 sylables - thinks u may be talking down to him but he can never be sure cause his small mind short circuits by the third polysylable and then he forgets what or who he was trying to think about before he got that headache cause some dang forinnerr was trying to confuse him.

TODAY IRAQ - TOMORROW THEIR OIL
SEEK HEIL
HEIL HALLIBURTON

"gee Cheney did I do good huh huh???" "ah sure hopes my daddy is pleased cause he dun told me dat if I kin get rid of that badman Hussein he will get me a new pony for my birthday and even let me invite all my friends - well ah jus kant tell him ah don't have no friends so guess I'll have old man Colin lie to some of his buds and envite dem and now dat its kewl to have a black man at a texas party even politically correct thingey to do ah kin do dat but just cuz i'm sure it be pleasan to daddy - ah nos he would luv to have that hussein karacter turned loose in Tex near one of daddy's ranches so he can orkenize one of his texas safari's so they kin hunt and shoot him - oh oh daddy dun told Mr vp cheeney about dat and now the vp is trying to put daddy over his knee to spank him ah best leave cause ah may be next.


OH A QUACKING HE SHALL GO - A QUACKING HE SHALL GO

<:)maybe but you can be sure cause I'm not even sure if its me or not then again since I'm U.N.S.P. its kinda sorta understandable what do you mean whats u.n.s.p.??
well duh
it means ah be usually neurtoic but sometimes psychotic ah thought everyone knew dat.
HI HO THE COSMIC DUCK A QUACKING HE HAS GONE

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: not true...


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Date Posted: Wednesday, April 21 2004, 22:14:14 GMT ( - 8 )

You know Duckie, a lot of things you are saying like comparing me with G. Bush are out of date…
I’ve changed my opinions since my first post here. ( that was seventy seven thousand years ago… bloody shit) Though it isn’t true. I never changed them, it is interpretations and understanding that have changed. I’ve just returned to my starting point. It is a real mystery how wise children can be. My main set of views was accomplished when I was about 13 and it never changed since. I had clear worldview I understood things and people I knew what is right and wrong. But I needed some intellectual feedback and I couldn’t find it. I got mass media instead and you know what this word means. It wasn’t so bad as Western mainstream media ( because it was chaotic and badly managed) but on the other hand there was a lot of really smart and honest people there that made things much worse… it’s hard to explain, well, do you know who Vaclav Havel is? This kind of guy. Dissidents, intellectuals, heroes. So they taught me and I accepted their teaching even where it was not acceptable, my feelings cried No but my teachers insisted Yes. I was explained for example that Hiroshima was right thing- not by some cannibal but by a man whom any country might be proud of. Do you remember I was trying to justify Vietnam war? I was on a peak of my stupidity…
Ghosts have a habit to vanish sooner or later as they behave in fairy tales and they have vanished of course. This doesn’t mean everything I said was wrong, SOME things were wrong. In some cases I am on your side now in others I am even further away from you than I was. The most important thing is I’ve realized that EVERYTHING I’ve learned on playgrounds of my childhood is TRUE while a lot of things I was taught by wise professors is false. I don’t understand clearly why it is I just know it is. I don’t play a transmitter of others’ thoughts now, everything must go through my own filters. I just ask that little boy and if he sais ’Not fair!’ million professors can’t change his verdict.

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[> [> [> Subject: I though sucking was what you all wanted!


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Kris
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Date Posted: Thursday, April 15 2004, 18:23:15 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: sucking ?? adequate sexual foreplay for the first 6 or 8 hours or so before one gets down to the nitty gritty


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<:)duck
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Date Posted: Sunday, April 25 2004, 4:32:01 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: rational discusion


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ROB
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Date Posted: Friday, April 02 2004, 15:25:35 GMT ( - 8 )

when is ther gonna be rational discussion on this board?

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Subject: Hello???? HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLOOOOOOOO?????


Author:
The Mystery Geezer~~~8-)
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Date Posted: Friday, March 26 2004, 11:41:57 GMT ( - 8 )

Ahhhemm....

Contrary to unpopular belief, the news of my demise has been greatly exagerated.....

It was started by a snide Duck.

Just wanna say..I'm alive and well!!!!

YAY!!!
FOUR MORE YEARS OF G.W. BUSH!! YESSSS!!!!!

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Subject: You know, those individually served ads on voy are pretty weird.


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 24 2004, 9:18:39 GMT ( - 8 )

They are actually suggesting I should go to ebay where I can buy Ashcroft for a very reasonable price. I guess I'll pass.

But what I really came here for is to complain about this neverending winter. I mean we are already in the last days of March but when I got up this morning it looked like white Christmas again. This year has been completely shitty so far, and not only because of the weather. I want a new one!

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[> Subject: Please buy him.


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Trevor/TJ
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 24 2004, 19:44:19 GMT ( - 8 )

I'll send the special "care and feeding" instructions right away if you do. The feeding part won't be necessary after the "care" part, however.

Sorry about the weather - it's been really mild here in Seattle this winter, after a gorgeous fall with record-breaking highs and contiguous sunny days. I'll send some spare sun with those instructions . . .

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[> [> Subject: Yes I agree with Trev - PLEASE PLEASE BUY HIM - perhaps we could just ship him as far as Guantanamo and kinda-sorta forget he's there!


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<:)Duck
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Date Posted: Friday, March 26 2004, 8:30:28 GMT ( - 8 )

Shouldn't be too hard too forget about what's his name after all no need to allow him an attorney, or file charges against him, or allow him to confront his accusers if there are any, or ask a court for a writ of habeas corpus or allow any family members to visit him or even know whether he is there or not - who knows perhaps in 30 or 40 years some file clerk will find a piece of paper behind some file cabinet or filed under J for justice instead of A for Ashcroft and they will either release him or bury the remains which ever is appropriate at the time.

I wonder if there is a minimum bid??

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Subject: Someone sent me this. I'll post without comment. Enjoy.


Author:
Duck lover
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Date Posted: Thursday, March 25 2004, 20:43:31 GMT ( - 8 )

Subject: Fw: war on terrorism

>
>What a magnificent and insightful view of what this war on terrorism is
>actually about. Please read and pass on as you see fit.
>
>General Hawley, is a newly retired USAF 4 star general. He commanded the
>Air Combat Command [our front-line fighters and bombers] at Langley AFB,
>VA. He is now retired and no longer required to be politically correct. A
>true patriot!
>
>"Since the attack [9-11], I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such
surpassing
>stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they
are:
>
>1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative."
>Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it
>with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good"
>doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded
>guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our
>country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always
>will be the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and
>affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and
>see what happens.
>
>2) "Violence only leads to more violence."
>This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy
>League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your
>heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more
>violence. Limp, panicky, half measures lead to more violence. However,
>complete, fully thought through, professional, well executed violence
>never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys
>are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not
>"nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead.
>
>3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community have failed us."
>For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground,
>and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting
>us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield
>Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best
>way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After
>all, (they reasoned,) you can see a license plate from 200 miles away"
>This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate.
>Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible
>with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our
>satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It
>takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the
>world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring
>Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say
>"Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella. "Well,
>you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be
>telling for years.
>
>4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at
us."
>Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate
>cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John
>and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you
>see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power.
>Mohammed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the
>killing grounds is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In
>the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were
>upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of
>to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. It's the
>same today.
>
>5) "Any profiling is racial profiling."
>Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New
>York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the
>gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals
>and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too
>much Drakkar. I'm crushed. Please come back. Let's all stop singing "We
>Are the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be
>sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting
>Mt.Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at
>least we didn't offend them."
>
>SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered
>brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their
>immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political
>science professor says, we didn't start this. Have you seen that bumper
>sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "No
>More Pearl Harbors."
>
>THIS NEEDS TO STAY IN CIRCULATION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE OR WILL FALL FOR THE
>STUPIDITY GOING AROUND. PLEASE PASS IT ON!
>
>"If you can read this, thank a teacher....
>If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier

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Subject: A Commentary Reprinted from the Los Angeles Times


Author:
<:) duck
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Date Posted: Saturday, March 13 2004, 17:37:10 GMT ( - 8 )

 

March 13, 2004

from Commentary Section of the Los Angeles Times

VOICES / A FORUM FOR COMMUNITY ISSUES

The Straight Guy Says Aye to Allowing Gay Marriage

By Stuart S. Light

I have no clue what makes people homosexual. However, I can trace my own heterosexual awareness to the third grade, when I rode my bicycle halfway across town to catch a glimpse of little Brenda's house.

The desire to have sex with a partner of my own gender has never crossed my mind in all the years I've been capable of a sexual thought. I have gay friends, though, and one loves to joke that one day he'll "show me what I've been missing." He informs me that heterosexual men are afraid of intimacy of any kind and that the phobia toward gay men is simply a way to avoid intimate feelings without guilt.

Many people today want to link marriage to procreation. That's the big argument against gay marriage, outside of biblical injunctions, of course. Simply put, conjugal unions that can't produce offspring are unnatural. However, if you call them something other than marriage, they can be marginally tolerated as long as they're in someone else's backyard. Call it marriage and all hell breaks loose.

The fact that marriage was created as an economic expediency, and procreation is a constant in all species with or without a license, seems to be absent in the debate. But the debate, such as it is, is driven by prejudice, the great labor-saving device that allows the formation of tightly held opinions without facts to support them.

I heard a congresswoman from Colorado berating the mayor of San Francisco on television for promoting gay marriages, which will, she believes, certainly lead to the sanctioning of polygamy (the implication is that the mayor surely supports such arrangements). President Bush has weighed in on a constitutional amendment that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. He must have thought long and hard on this for a minute after being informed that his evangelical base would find it right neighborly of him, and a real good reason to vote for him in November.

The Democrats will dance, parse and obfuscate while keeping their fingers in the air to see which way the polling winds are blowing. At the end of the day, they will agree that civil unions are swell, but they won't be supporting gay marriage. And, at the end of a much longer day, the proposed amendment to ban gay marriage will be defeated, and the whole issue will revert to the states, where it doesn't belong. At best, marriage is a 50-50 proposition. There is no legal linkage between marriage and procreation. A dismal, co-dependent marriage down the block doesn't make mine co-dependent and dismal.

If gays can be licensed to drive a car or practice law and medicine, they should be able to get a marriage license. I'll take my chances with married gays — just keep the bad drivers, lawyers and doctors away from me.

The argument is put forth that marriage is the very foundation of civilization. No, it is not. Civility, kindness, caring, compassion, cooperation and love are. So "bring it on!" Bring on the love and commitment. Bring on the open society we believe we live in. Bring on the tolerance for different points of view and lifestyles. Bring on the separation between church and state. Bring on the Bill of Rights and civil rights and human rights, and the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Bring on the right to choose who we are and whom we love. Bring on gay marriage.


Stuart S. Light is a writer in Santa Barbara.



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Subject: I'd run through here nekkid....


Author:
Kris
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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 03 2004, 15:04:06 GMT ( - 8 )

But NOBODY and I do mean NOBODY here wants to see that! So here I'll just share my chocolate bar.. psst Brad, rumor says that, chocolate give you the same rush as sex... so of course I eat it at work!

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[> Subject: CHOCOLATE?? Your suppose to eat it?? Geez No wonder it wasn't working I thought you were suppose to smoke it!


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<:) da dum GREEN duckie
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Date Posted: Friday, March 05 2004, 4:54:40 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: grrrrrrr!!!!................


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: Friday, February 13 2004, 12:15:17 GMT ( - 8 )

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

FUCK!......FUCK!......FUCK!

FUCK!......FUCK!......FUCK!

FUCK!......FUCK!......FUCK!

and FUCK!!!

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[> Subject: Damn!!....I thought that would make me feel better......well it was worth a shot.


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: Friday, February 13 2004, 12:18:12 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: PERHAPS if you stopped talking about it and DID IT - it might make you FEEL BETTER


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Date Posted: Friday, February 13 2004, 16:38:40 GMT ( - 8 )

j/k (kinda sorta maybe) hope all is ok

actually fucking is an excellent way to keeps ones mind off of 'problems' unfortunately what to do with the other 23 hrs left in the day!

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[> [> Subject: hehehe!!!.....well?......where is he?....remember he needs to be young and cute! :-)......


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Brad
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Date Posted: Monday, February 16 2004, 15:01:25 GMT ( - 8 )

And yeah everything is ok (kinda sorta maybe) :-)

Just a back week!!!.....Thanks!


"what to do with the other 23 hrs left in the day!" ummmm....move on to the other 23 guys!! hehehe :-)

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Subject: presidential whatever's.


Author:
girl liminal
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 21 2004, 7:23:17 GMT ( - 8 )

i have nowhere else to go, now, to ask this question. so i'll ask it here. or well, pose my predicament and then ask the question. roundabout-like.

i was going to probably wind up voting for gephart (sp? haha) for the presidental whatever's. and he's dropped out? uh why? so then there's dean, except i think he's a tad bit insane. i don't get to watch the news much due to school-and-things, but the snippet i saw he was jumping and a-hooting and a-hollaring. on the other hand, having an insane president who appears to be on crack, and is at least a democrat (which means he might support gay marriages [i actually heard he DOES] and actually like us poor people), might be refreshing.

thoughts? i admit usually i don't vote. i can never really distinguish the actual candidate qualities through all the fucking mudslinging they do. but i'm going to be re-registering for this township (i am registered in city of m******, which means i CAN vote, i just have to drive far to do so), and have to do the whole party picking.

when i was 18 i bitched that i wanted to register socialist but that option was not on the form. uhm. and i've read about the green party from a good friend, and that seems very interesting, but i'd like to find more info. but .. i don't remember seeing these options when i registered eons ago, so chances are i'll have to register democrat.

so what do you all think of the candidates? where exactly does one GO to find out what they are actually ADVOCATING and supporting, since all the ads i ever see is "blah so and so is a fuckwad who hates you but wants your money" or "blah blah so and so just wants to let all you poor gay people rot with no healthcare and no way to profess your love for your partner legally." it gets a little hard to even WANT to vote--and admittedly i'm one of those "my vote doesn't matter" people, because half the time the people get into office then don't do what the fuck they said they were going to, anyways.

thanks.
h:ik

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[> Subject: Just vote!


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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 21 2004, 13:42:39 GMT ( - 8 )

The primaries will do the weeding out and in the end you will have a choice between Bush and whoever the Democrats put up.

The next vote is in the New Hampshire Primary, which will eliminate at least 1 or 2 more unless there are some real surprises. Dean, Kerry, and Edwards are the front runners right now. If you can wait til after the H.H. vote you may only have to read up on 1 or 2 candidates. If not concentrate on these top 3.

You still have time to make up your mind as to who you vote for in your primary. If you have one. Unless it's N.H.
DO NOT mention on the board whether or not your state has a primary, or caucus, etc. At least not under the present conditions that seem to exist on these boards.

Read up as much as possible on the front runners.That would be Dean and Kerry and Edwards at the present.
Go to their websites and read their platforms.
Listen to their speeches or at least try to read what they say while campaigning. Choose the one that best supports your views.

As to why Gephardt dropped out? He did poorly in the Iowa caucus and figures he won't get the nomination.

No one can tell you how to vote. It's your decision. In the end though I know I will vote for whoever runs against Bush. But that is my opinion and my choice.
Hope this helps a little. Good luck!

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[> [> Subject: My preferred Dem candidate would be Socks, the former presidential cat


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Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 21 2004, 15:00:46 GMT ( - 8 )

Welcome girl liminal!

Apart from Socks, any of the Democrat candidates would be better than Bush, except Lieberman that is. He'd probably invite Bush for VP, or Lynn Cheney.

I have a bunch of bookmarks on my old computer which I haven't yet transferred to the new one. Give me a day or two and I'll post them for you.

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[> [> [> Subject: ROFL SOCKS!


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girl liminal
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 21 2004, 18:15:32 GMT ( - 8 )

i am STILL giggling at that! another one that got me in laugh fits today was a friend from canada stating, "your politics are more interesting. you have inter-party wars. all we have is the war of the east, west, french, and pot." i died.

thanks for the welcome, and also pre-thanks for the links! i've collected a bunch today, to read during homework/clinical downtimes.

also, surfer--thanks for all your input as well. i didn't even think about how primaries narrow things down, silly me. i will definitely be voting this time around though, no mistake about that. :)

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Sorry for the delay


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Allie
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Date Posted: Monday, January 26 2004, 0:33:06 GMT ( - 8 )

I didn't forget that I wanted to post some links for you. I already have my old favorites on my new computer, but there was a lot of unexpected stuff that got in the way. I'll try to post the links in the evening.

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[> Subject: AOL Presidential Match Guide- the bunch of idiots!


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Date Posted: Saturday, January 31 2004, 19:26:43 GMT ( - 8 )

I took the test on http://www.presidentmatch.com/Main.jsp2?cp=main
Mein liber Gott!!!
I found that my ideal presidents would be Bush and Kuchinich . If there are real idiots beyond the Capitol Hill they are concentrated on that site.
I actually count all candidates for shit but Dean would be less evil. In no way Bush and Kuchinich.
Good thing it wasn’t a dating service…

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Subject: PERHAPS ENLIGHTENMENT


Author:
dUcK
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Date Posted: Friday, January 30 2004, 18:08:23 GMT ( - 8 )




SOME DEFINITIONS & SYNONYMS

FROM

WEBSTER'S

NEW WORLD DICTIONARY & THESAURUS

 presumption 
n.

   1 the act of presuming; specif., 
          a) an overstepping of proper bounds; forwardness; effrontery 
         b) the taking of something for granted  
         c) an assumption
 
— Syn. conjecture, guess, hypothesis; see assumption
         See assurance, belief, egotism, guessing , inference,   insolence, opinion,  pomposity , 
        precipitation, probability, prospect, snobbery, temerity , tenet, thought

 temerity 
n. 

— Syn. audacity, effrontery, boldness, hardihood, rashness, 
 presumption, overconfidence, gall, nerve, cheek, recklessness, 
venturesomeness, precipitancy, precipitation, hastiness, heedlessness, 
foolhardiness, thoughtlessness, carelessness, indiscretion, imprudence, impetuosity; 
— Ant.
PRUDENCE, CAUTION, DELIBERATION 
 inference 
n.

    1. an act or the process of inferring 
    2. a conclusion or opinion arrived at by inferring

— Syn. presumption, conjecture, surmise; see assumption, opinion, thought.
See allusion, belief, guess, guessing, hint, hypothesis, implication
 insolence 
n. 
— Syn. effrontery, impertinence,  presumption , audacity; see rudeness.
See  arrogance , assurance, back talk*, disrespect,egotism, gall, haughtiness,
impudence, insult, patronage, pertness
 pomposity 

n.

1 the quality of being pompous; ostentation; self-importance  

 — Syn.   presumption , conceit, overconfidence; see arrogance.

knowledge knowledge knowledge Knowledge knowledge
knowledge
knowledge knowledgeKnowledge knowledge
knowledge
knowledge knowledge Knowledge knowledge

n.
1 the act,
fact, or state of knowing; specif., a) acquaintance or familiarity (with a fact, place, etc.) b) awareness c) understanding
2 all that has been perceived or grasped by the mind; learning;
enlightenment
3 the body of facts, principles, etc. accumulated by mankind

knowledge
n.
[That which is known]

 — Syn. information, learning, wisdom, scholarship, facts, cognizance, understanding, comprehension, enlightenment, expertise, intelligence, principles, awareness, insight

2. — Ant. 


emptiness, IGNORANCE, pretension.


 



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Subject: The bd is back to unmoderated


Author:
BD ADMINISTRATOR
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 28 2004, 5:27:22 GMT ( - 8 )

THE BOARD IS UNMODERATED AGAIN
AND FOR THE TIME BEING WE WILL TRY
ALLOWING HTML CODE

IT IS A VENT BOARD
THE TEXT IN THE HEADER ABOVE
IS QUITE EXPLANATORY AS TO THE PURPOSE
OF THIS BOARD.


Throw dirt - you can probably expect dirt back!

Do what you must but
NO PERSONAL INFORMATION
ON OTHER INDIVIDUALS 
IS TO BE POSTED SUCH AS
NO LAST NAMES, NO ADDRESSES
ETC - IT WILL BE REMOVED
AND THE INDIVIDUAL WILL BE BANNED

IF THAT REQUIRES BANNING EVERY
ANNONYMOUS IP  SO BE IT



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Subject: Service announcement 2


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Thursday, January 22 2004, 12:33:30 GMT ( - 8 )

I decided that I have had it fully and completely.
Until the Duck will be back this board is moderated. I'm on GMT +1 which means I'm 6 to 9 hours off your time, so you may have to be a bit patient.
Anonymous flames directed against other posters will not be accepted.
HTML remains suspended for the time being.

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[> Subject: As far as I know Ed is not a kind of guy to be harassed easily.


Author:
brattyratty
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 25 2004, 4:26:11 GMT ( - 8 )

Alie, please… desire to moderate anything is not a virtue. I’d refuse to moderate my multi-millionaire step-grandfather’s will… if I had such relative with such money of course.
You sound as if it isn’t you. Power is fun, isn’t it?

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[> [> Subject: Bratty, this is not about my desire to moderate anything and even less about a power trip on my side.


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Monday, January 26 2004, 0:12:51 GMT ( - 8 )

This is about an ill-advised post in which the poster hurt himself more than any other post in the following flame war did (IMHO of course, others will see this differently). This is about the desire of people to add their 2 cents when they fully know that they only feed the frenzy. This is about the ready preparedness of people to judge and condemn on hearsay and being proud of it. This is about people taking their anger to the vent board and then complaining that the bitch & vent board is, well, a place where people bitch and vent. This is about people who readily move the infights on their own boards to the vent board to keep their own boards clean and then join the witch hunt.

This hypocrisy already cost me more than the whole fracas is worth. I'm not prepared to spend any more time and effort on it than is necessary. Apart from closing the board completely (what I actually did for a while) moderating seems the best solution to me and I'll stick to it until the Duck is back.

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[> [> [> Subject: Sorry Alie, I was kidding! I can't do anything with my nasty nature he he...but I'm not so bad, really.


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brattyratty
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Date Posted: Monday, January 26 2004, 3:17:32 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Its' ok, Bratty! People who make Flash movies starring the Duck can't be all bad, just a little off-beat.


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Alie
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Date Posted: Monday, January 26 2004, 5:46:08 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: Thanks for the cleanup job, Alie!


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Date Posted: Monday, January 26 2004, 20:14:53 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Thanks Trevor, this means a lot to me!


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Alie
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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 27 2004, 1:18:46 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: THEY FORGET SO QUICKLY


Author:
<:) ANNOYED DUCK
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Date Posted: Wednesday, December 03 2003, 1:56:01 GMT ( - 8 )



ACTUALLY ROB I DON'T THINK THAT THE TRUTH SHOULD JUST BE RESERVED FOR GAY BASHERS!!  IF WE CANNOT EXPRESS OURSELVES AS TO OUR OPINIONS ABOUT THE LEADERS / POLITICIANS THAT ARE IN OFFICE THEN WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY DO WE HAVE - CERTAINLY NOT ONE WORTH DEFENDING AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

POLITICIANS ARE LIKE LAWYERS (which most of them are), IMHO maybe 5% of the lawyers in the country are COMPLETELY HONEST and it's those 5% that tend to make the other 95% look good - as in honest, caring, capable and compassionate and the same holds true for politicians.  The wool over the eyes is not too unexpected considering the feeble mindedness and the sheep mentality of the Average American (50% or so of the population) who still believe dubya is not lying to them.

 

AMERICANS HAVE SUCH A SHORT MEMORY


"I have earned every cent. And in all of my years in public life I have never obstructed justice.  People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I'm not a crook."

 


"I had no prior knowledge of the Watergate break-in; I neither took part in nor knew about any of the subsequent coverup activities; I neither authorized nor encouraged subordinates to engage in illegal or improper campaign tactics."

 


"Far from trying to hide the facts, my effort throughout has been to discover the facts—and to lay those facts before the appropriate law enforcement authorities so that justice could be done and the guilty dealt with."



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[> Subject: Compared to Bush and his Geezer Junta Nixon was a beacon of ethics and good governance.


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, December 17 2003, 8:25:38 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: GOODNESS! I am in total awe Ducky. I would NEVER remember all that coding ! EVER! Of course, I don't remember much thats more recent than 1610, but the point still stands!


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Kris
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Date Posted: Thursday, January 22 2004, 15:17:12 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Service Announcement


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 21 2004, 23:43:01 GMT ( - 8 )

Stop harassing Ed, he doesn't read the board.
I do though, and I'm in charge at the moment.
I kindly request you read the board header first and then direct any complaints you may have towards me.
I for my part will have a nice pot of tea now, and then I will decide to which degree I have had it.

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Subject: Regarding The Shack


Author:
TheEggman
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 18 2004, 11:41:07 GMT ( - 8 )

For the last day or so, Comsie, Stephen and myself have not been able to access the moderation facilities at the Shack. It turns out that others could see the message index but we were specifically denied. This morning, Stephen tried to check the board and the entire message index was deleted but it now automatically redirects to the "God Hates Fags" website.

This not a joke and I wouldn't kid about something like this anyway. If any of you have different results when accessing The Shack, please let me know about it either here or via e-mail. Also, a carefully worded letter of complaint could be sent to Voy, complaining of their security measures (or lack thereof). And let us not forgot the self righteous vermon that committed this invasion of privacy - the wholesome folks at "God Hates Fags". Don't sit back and let them get away with this. We have proven out strength time and time again. This should be no different.

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[> Subject: Respones to tryiny to access the Shack


Author:
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 18 2004, 16:36:19 GMT ( - 8 )

Hi Dave;
The first time I tried I was directed to GHF. I sent them a polite but forceful e-mail.

I then shut down and tried again and this time I got the Voy Forum site requesting a password. I found their orig site and sent them an e-mail also requesting if I had the right dept. If not what is the correct e-mail to reply to. I'm waiting for an answer. That's it so far.

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[> [> Subject: Yeah, I got the same thing just now...


Author:
Nathan
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 18 2004, 17:29:32 GMT ( - 8 )

Ithink it is a good sign that maybe some measure has been taken to close off what has happened to the board. I hope it is the last time it happens, whoever was the asshole who did this got their little jollies in and leaves us alone! That was pathetic and shows who ever did it does not have a life!

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[> Subject: Voy-Forum E-mail


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jrgsurfer
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 18 2004, 18:48:15 GMT ( - 8 )

Earlier I went to voy-forum and found a page that had an e-mail. I now went back to try to find it to post the URL but can't find it. I don't know where it went.

But I sent an e-mail earlier to see if I was addressing the right dept. and I'm waiting for a reply. I asked for the correct e-mail to lodge a complaint about sites being re-directed.

The earlier e-mail I saw that I responded to is

info3@mail.voyager.com

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[> Subject: I found the URL in my history


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jrgsurfer
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 18 2004, 19:10:14 GMT ( - 8 )

I sent the e-mail to the addy in the center but had to change the "at" to "@" and close the gaps to send it.



http://www.voyager.com/voycontact.html

That's all the info I can find right now.

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Subject: HTML


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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 21 2004, 11:16:23 GMT ( - 8 )

HTML CONTENT HAS BEEN TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED TO PREVENT ANY MALICIOUS CODING.

HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE RESTORED IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

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Subject: ok


Author:
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Date Posted: Thursday, January 15 2004, 2:11:02 GMT ( - 8 )

I've had the flu for a week or so and wasn't paying too much attention to the bds or anything online - Almost over (the flu) - I'll definitely check more often and delete the inappropriate.

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Subject: 2003 Heroes from FoxNews.


Author:
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Date Posted: Friday, January 02 2004, 19:46:04 GMT ( - 8 )

I’d like to know what you guys and especially P.D. himself ( PinkDuckPhilosophyDoctor) think about this.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107014,00.html

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[> Subject: duh...why ask a fiscally moderate socially liberal duck about anything that appears in Ruperts media conglomerates - If a peon is heard by the public uttering from anywhere in Ruperts dynasty he or occasionally she will be slanting the presentation with R.M.'s neoconservative viewpoint!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! INCLUDING THE ELITE BUT NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE ELITE!


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<:)PROBABLY ME
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Date Posted: Friday, January 09 2004, 17:12:43 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Well......


Author:
Brad
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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 06 2004, 13:55:51 GMT ( - 8 )

January 22nd will be the 2nd anniversary of my sisters death....

When she died, we had two laywers we knew.....say they would look into her death because a 33 year old women should not die from a heart attack esp. when she is under doctors care.

So we decided to let one of the lawyers do it.....because the law firm he work for deals with that kinda stuff....not him, but his firm....so he sent everything to the firms home office in Denver. He also sent it out to a friend who works at another firm out of state (I believe)....he wanted to get two opinions.

Here almost two years later they got back to him.....and he got back to use. It finds out that there WAS neglect on the doctors part.....there were things that could, "SHOULD" have been done which would have prevented her death. It's not like it was one thing....there were several things he should have done....and several things that he should have known by just doing to routine check up. My sister tried and tried to tell him (weeks before she died) that something was wrong but he kept saying she was ok.

The lawyer said that we could sue....but in cases like this it is a 50/50 chance....which we said that is better then no chance at all. The he told us if we did sue....that the lawyer fees....just to get the ball rolling would cost us a minimum of $40,000 - $50,000 and it would probably take years...and the lawyer fees will just keep adding up.

So here we have a doctor who doesn't give a crap about his patients and is still able to practice!!!.....it is f*cking crap!!!

I am just sooooo........F*CKING mad right now!!! ...... knowing that if this doctor would have just did his damn job.....my sister would be alive!!!

I know most of you guys/gals don't know me!!....I am just posting this on all the boards I go to....most of which are ones that I only really lurk at.

But I just wanted to tell everyone...that if you have a illness or you need to go to a doctor...make sure s/he is doing everything possible for you. If you don't think s/he is....go get a 2nd or even a 3rd opinion....and if your insurance won't cover it...pay for it yourself. Which I know most people don't have the money for that. But it is better to loose money then to loose your life because your doctor is incompetent!!

Sorry for rambling!!!...just had to say something.

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Subject:

I HATE WINDOWS XP!!!!



Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 28 2003, 2:14:28 GMT ( - 8 )

It's nosy, it's buggy, it's bloated, it's obtrusive, it's crap.

To sum it up:

It's MICROSOFT!



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[> Subject: OMG! Allie!! Talk about our government all you want, worst they will do is lock you away in Cuba. Microsoft, on the other hand, may “disappear” you!


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Mitchell
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Date Posted: Thursday, January 01 2004, 11:53:26 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: test message


Author:
yep it's me
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 23 2003, 12:30:37 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Dark Face of Earth


Author:
brattyratty
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Date Posted: Saturday, December 20 2003, 8:03:02 GMT ( - 8 )

The picture you can see here is not new for ducks but humans can find it interesting, unusual and exiting.

The Dark Face of Earth


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[> Subject: The top image soon to be powered by extremely expensive middle eastern oil sold to the US taxpayer by Halliburton


Author:
<:)same disgusted duck
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 21 2003, 5:07:40 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Why do you think middle eastern oil is extremely expensive? Theoretically it must be cheaper than Norwegian, Mexican or Russian oil. OPEC keeps artificially high prices not Hulliburton, but even those prices are not as expensive to say ‘extremely’.


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Date Posted: Sunday, December 21 2003, 21:43:17 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: DAMN THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION!!!!!


Author:
Mad as hell Alie
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Date Posted: Wednesday, December 17 2003, 8:21:41 GMT ( - 8 )

They caved in to the valiant US administration and agreed to give them access to our personal data. It won't take very long until Europeans will have the same lousy miniature privacy rights as US citizens. I WANT MY PRIVACY BACK!!!! NOW!!!

Bring freedom to the world! Root out the Bushes!

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Subject: Just venting


Author:
ien
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Date Posted: Monday, December 08 2003, 17:08:37 GMT ( - 8 )

I wish i could make this HUGE but I have no idea how it works so just this........................

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[> Subject:

 

Maybe this will help Ien!



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<:)helpful duck
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 11 2003, 18:35:34 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Yup THANKS :)


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ien
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 11 2003, 23:07:05 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: Hey Pinkie. Your favorite rapper "threatened" Bush! HAHA!


Author:
Lance
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Date Posted: Monday, December 08 2003, 11:35:51 GMT ( - 8 )

Secret Service Probes Eminem 'Bush Threat'

By Mark Sage

The United States presidential bodyguard said today it was examining lyrics by rap star Eminem to see whether he had threatened George Bush.

The Secret Service confirmed it was probing lyrics by the controversial artist, who says in a song: "I'd rather see the president dead."

The words to the song, We As Americans, are available on the internet and have not been released by the award-winning rap artist.

Eminem says in the song:"F*** money, I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead."

The Secret Service, charged with protecting the president, said it was looking into the song's lyrics.

A spokesman said: "We are aware of the lyric and are in the process of determining what action, if any, will be taken."

A spokesman for Oscar and Grammy award winner Eminem told CNN the song was not ready for release.

"This was an unfinished song, either lost or stolen," he said.

"There was no determination where, when, how or if it was going to be used."

Meanwhile, his track, Lose Yourself, has been nominated for song and record of the year at the 46th annual Grammy Awards, which will be presented in Los Angeles in February.

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Subject: Just imagine...


Author:
Mitchell
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Date Posted: Friday, November 28 2003, 16:47:24 GMT ( - 8 )

Just imagine the smile on the face of the man/woman that gets to put his sorry ass in the back seat of the patrol car.

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[> Subject: LMAO! Dont do the crime if you can't do the time. Lock em up - throw away the key


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Date Posted: Monday, December 08 2003, 11:28:26 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: To steal from one's children is wrong - NO EXCUSES - IT'S WRONG!!


Author:
<:)Duck
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Date Posted: Wednesday, December 03 2003, 1:48:06 GMT ( - 8 )



I do not have nor will I have any children.  Americans as with all parents around the world Love their Children and want the best possible life for them.  They often sacrifice and do without in order that their children will have opportunities that can improve their life's such as a college education.

Yet half the population of America by supporting the fiscal policies of the current Bush administration and the Republican controlled congress BELIEVE THAT IT IS ALRIGHT TO STEAL FROM THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!!  THIS CURRENT GENERATION IS DOING JUST THAT - WE ARE TAKING MONEY FROM THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION - THAT AS FAR AS I'M  CONCERNED IS THEFT AND IT DISGUSTS ME -  AS DOES THE REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION AND THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS THAT FOR YEARS POINTED FINGERS AT THE DEMOCRATS AND YELLED AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS "THE SPEND AND TAX PARTY"  HYPOCRITICAL LIARS.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED MR. JOE AVERAGE AMERICAN SCHMUCK, DESERVES WHAT HE GETS - AFTER ALL HE HAS A CHOICE - BUT TO TAKE FROM HIS CHILDREN AND HIS GRANDCHILDREN IS UNCONSCIONABLE.






December 1, 2003

Ronald Brownstein
Washington Outlook


Snowballing Debt Awaits Tomorrow's Taxpayers

Seniors with big prescription drug bills, health maintenance organizations awaiting lucrative new subsidies, upper-middle-class families anticipating a fat tax refund, and Iraqi cities expecting new schools or hospitals all have reason to be thankful about President Bush's extraordinary success at pushing his agenda through the Republican-controlled Congress this year.

There may be less celebration among the young people who will inherit the tab for these initiatives. Bush is funding every penny of every one of these goodies by increasing the national debt. Which is another way of saying that he's sticking the bill to the next generation.

The scale of the transfer is dizzying.

In just the last few months, Congress, at Bush's request has doled out $87 billion to rebuild and secure Iraq and Afghanistan; approved a $401-billion defense appropriation bill, the largest ever; completed a $1-trillion tax cut on top of the $1.35-trillion reduction the president won in 2001; and approved a Medicare prescription drug benefit that will cost at least $400 billion over the next decade, probably more. If the energy bill is revived next year, add to the list at least another $26 billion in tax cuts for energy companies.

All of this, it's worth remembering, comes when the federal government already faces its largest deficit ever — some $374 billion last year, $84 billion more than the previous record held by Bush's father, George H.W. Bush.

Several reliable analysts project the federal deficit will soar past $500 billionthis year - and then remain near that unprecedented level for the indefinite future, even if the economy recovers. It's an understatement to conclude, as the Goldman Sachs investment bank did in a recent report, that the budget process in Washington is "out of control."

Project this forward a few years and the fiscal strain on future taxpayers could become excruciating. By 2012, Bush's tax cuts would reduce federal revenue by almost $400 billion a year, according to calculations by Peter Orszag of the Brookings Institution.

Even without the new prescription drug benefit, the swelling number of seniors and the rising cost of care would push the annual bill for Medicare past $500 billion by then, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The drug subsidy for seniors would add at least another $65 billion to the tab. The CBO says that by 2012, defense spending would approach $600 billion annually — a number other analysts say understates the price tag for Bush's long-term national security plans.

Then comes the final indignity for tomorrow's taxpayers: huge interest payments on the debt the government is accumulating to finance this binge. When Bush took office, the CBO estimated Washington was on track to eliminate the publicly held federal debt by 2008. That meant federal interest payments on the debt, which were running about $200 billion a year when Bush arrived, were expected to dwindle to virtually nothing by the end of this decade.

Now, though, the latest estimates are that amid the economic slowdown of the last two years, and all the new spending and tax cuts Bush has pursued, the federal debt could soar to at least $7 trillion by decade's end. That means future taxpayers will have to pay at least $350 billion a year to service that debt, precisely as they are shouldering big bills for homeland security, defense and retiring the baby boom.

To call this behavior a breakdown of fiscal responsibility misses its true nature. This is a stunning abandonment of generational responsibility. Washington is behaving like a father who steals his kid's credit card and goes on a bender.

Individually, America's parents make sacrifices every day to provide opportunities for their children; but collectively, the nation is now pursuing precisely the opposite course — indulging itself even at the price of reducing opportunity for its children.

Is anyone speaking for the next generation? At the national level, Democrats have condemned Bush's deficits and highlighted the costs of his tax cut. But they've undercut their credibility by repeatedly demanding more spending on their favorite causes; it's telling that the principal criticism from Democrats about the new Medicare bill is that it doesn't spend enough to subsidize drugs for seniors.

Most Republicans are apparently hoping they can make these deficits disappear by ignoring or discounting them; the noble exceptions are a handful of true fiscal conservatives like Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Charles Hagel (R-Neb.). "There is a larger point to all of this," Hagel lamented after the Senate approved the Medicare bill last week. "Who is looking out for the future of the country?"

It's unrealistic to expect too many legislators to take that long view. Budget discipline is as much an unnatural act for Congress as refusing campaign contributions; for legislators, the long run is always the next election. Only a determined president can prevent Washington from spending more than it is willing to collect in taxes. But Bush has led the U-turn from the policies that produced surpluses for the three years immediately before he arrived.

The best case against Bush's budget policies comes from the arguments he's made for his national security strategy. Bush often defends his vision of preemptive defense by insisting America must confront tough problems now so future generations won't face them down the road. Yet in his budget, Bush is creating enormous problems for future generations by avoiding tough choices today.

By slashing taxes while he increases spending, Bush is governing as if he is in the Matrix, where the laws of gravity don't apply. But here in the real world, what goes up still comes down, which means kids too young to protest today will pay dearly tomorrow for the massive debts Bush is charging to their future.







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Subject: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS ASSHOLE THINK HE IS?????


Author:
Alie
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Date Posted: Tuesday, October 28 2003, 23:05:07 GMT ( - 8 )

"Under my leadership this world has become more free and peaceful."


If anything this world has become more of a turmoil and promoting freedom anywhere else than in his buddies' pocketbooks is the very last thing for which he has any credibility.

How much longer do you US Americans allow him to lie to you every single time he opens his mouth?

He's not fit to be a leading person anywhere because he either is a liar and profiteer or delusional to a degree that equals protracted mental instability. He needs to be ousted and sent either to jail for life or to the looney bin for as long as it takes him to accept reality.

And I'm going to sue him for damages for making me lose my temper and start swearing and yelling - should be about his only real accomplishment of his presidency. In addition, I'll take him to the cleaners for making me spill my morning tea over my computer. I react very badly to being deprived of my morning tea and my computer reacts very badly to tea no matter which time of the day it is.

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[> Subject: to alie


Author:
robert bryce
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Date Posted: Wednesday, October 29 2003, 1:26:27 GMT ( - 8 )

spilled duck gravy on my computer and was able to talk to GOD....rob

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[> [> Subject:

DUCK READS ALIES THREAD AND bryce's delusions
8 hours later he is still........

rOfLhTfO

 



Author:
<:)Quackers the quacked up duck
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Date Posted: Wednesday, October 29 2003, 5:11:56 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: just having a bit of fun


Author:
robert bryce
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Date Posted: Wednesday, October 29 2003, 23:45:52 GMT ( - 8 )

just having a bit of fun with my favorite people.It took a day to clean the roasted duck gravy out of my keyboard..BTW.I need some duck recipies as I am expecting guests over..Roast girl properly garnished will be the main course of course complete with apple stuffed in mouth..hehe

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[> Subject: Alie do you seriously think that American government is worse than any other government including German one? Please I’m not joking. Are you SURE?


Author:
brattyratty
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Date Posted: Thursday, October 30 2003, 20:16:08 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject:

THIS SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BRATTY



Author:
<:)sane???duck
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Date Posted: Sunday, November 02 2003, 7:06:36 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: I think he should be brought up on war crime charges!


Author:
Kevin
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Date Posted: Sunday, November 09 2003, 10:59:45 GMT ( - 8 )

With all these lies comes people who actually believe him, that is truely sad.

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[> [> Subject: As well as Clinton, Bush 1st, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, both Roosewelts, Wilson so on…And the first should be Lincoln, the greatest murderer in American history.


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brattyratty
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 12 2003, 20:27:56 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: They forgot reason #12


Author:
<:)a disgusted duck
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 19 2003, 7:30:43 GMT ( - 8 )

Top 11 reasons Richard Perle and the White House
ignored the secret, 11th hour capitulation by Iraq.

1. Iraq's emissaries revealed they could not be trusted once they said that there were no WMD.

2. It wasn't a missed opportunity, this administration never listens to anyone.

3. Isn't the Iraqi oil better-off now that Saddam is gone?

4. It would have cost millions to bring previously deployed American forces home before the war.

5. Long list of Iraqi concessions excluded any mention of rescuing Halliburton from bankruptcy.

6. Feared backlash from disappointed, embedded journalists.

7. Would have sent the wrong message to Kim Jong Il: "If you don't have WMD, we won't attack."

8. Perle had been bragging to this girl about how we were going to attack and he would have looked like a real jerk if we didn't.

9. Negotiation is for people who know the horror of war.

10. It's not our fault the guy didn't know enough to go to the Department of State instead of the Department of Defense.

11. It might have led to peace.

The above gleefully gleeped from www.toostupidtobepresident.com

FROM THE COSMIC DUCK COMES THE 12TH AND REAL REASON:

12. dubya forgot to get his EGO booster shot and using his infamous dubya logic came to the conclusion that WAR WOULD BE A GOOD SUBSTITUTE and the results would be comparable..

The tragic cost of dubya's EGO booster shot ................................

1. OVER 400 AMERICAN SOLDIERS KILLED AND THE COUNT GOES ON....

2. OVER 5000 YOUNG AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN UNDER ORDERS FROM THEIR COMMANDER IN CHIEF (dubya) HAVE BEEN WOUNDED, MANY MAIMED FOR LIFE. THE COST BEYOND THE MISERY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MEDICAL COSTS AND LOST PRODUCTIVITY OVER THE LIFETIMES OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE AS THEY ADJUST TO A LIFE WITHOUT VARIOUS LIMBS OR OTHER PERMANENT HANDICAPS. WHEN THE IRAQI CONFLICT HAS BECOME A DISTANT MEMORY AND PERHAPS A MINOR ENTREE INTO HISTORY BOOKS MANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL STILL BE SUFFERING, PERHAPS WONDERING WHAT THEIR LIFE'S COULD HAVE BEEN IF dubya COULD HAVE FOUND A DIFFERENT WAY TO BOOST HIS EGO

3. YOUNG SOLDIERS FROM OTHERS COUNTRIES (so called coalition forces) WHOSE LEADERS PUT THEM IN HARMS WAY IN ORDER TO KISS dubya's ASS HAVE BEEN KILLED, WOUNDED AND MANY MAIMED FOR LIFE. THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO RETURN TO THEIR HOMES WOUNDED PERHAPS WITH LESS ARMS, LEGS, EYES, EARS, FEET OR HANDS THEN THEY LEFT WITH WILL ENDURE A DIMINISHED LIFE. THE CITIZENS OF THOSE COUNTRIES WILL ALSO BEAR A HUGE FINANCIAL COST IN CARING FOR THEIR WOUNDED YOUTH AND FROM THE DECREASED CONTRIBUTIONS THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE TO THEIR SOCIETY.


4. THOUSANDS OF IRAQI CITIZENS, SOLDIERS AND CIVILIAN ALIKE, INCLUDING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN HAVE DIED AS A RESULT OF dubya's WAR. TENS OF THOUSANDS HAVE SUFFERED WOUNDS OF A PHYSICAL NATURE MANY LOSING ARMS, LEGS, EYES, EARS, FEET AND HANDS, WOUNDS THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO ENDURE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR LIFE'S. PERHAPS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN SCARRED IN WAYS THAT CANNOT BE SEEN, AS THEY HAVE ENDURED THE LOSS OF LOVED ONES OR WATCHED THE CARNAGE LEFT BY AMERICAN BOMBS AND ORDINANCE.

5. The esteem and respect that most of the worlds population once felt towards the United States and it's citizens has been diminished by a degree never before seen since the birth of America. The majority of the worlds population who once looked at America with awe, and respect and even fondness now look upon America with fear and/or disgust and throughout most of the Muslim world unmitigated hatred.

The cost of the above is beyond measure both in terms of human suffering and economic costs that will be passed on to this generations children and perhaps even their children.

Thousands, hundreds of thousands have died been injured or will suffer one way or another because dubya needed an ego boost - This particular form of ego booster shot is one which all aggressive tyrannical leaders seem to need and certainly this won't be the most expensive mankind has seen but it is certainly one which the world did not need and hopefully the dosage of this particular shot is sufficient to tide dubya over until hopefully his early retirement.

Hussein was and is an evil man, an evil leader who ruled with an iron hand and thought nothing of torturing and executing the citizens of his own country. Ask the Iraqi people today if they are better off now that America has occupied their country, few will give you a positive answer. In the near future as the ancient ethnic and tribal and religious hatreds that are already appearing become more pronounced and Iraq follows the footsteps of Bosnia and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's kill other Iraqi's or are murdered by their fellow Iraqi's and former neighbors, ask then if they are better off because of America's involvement in their country.

Hussein was an evil tyrant guilty of the most heinous crimes - BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE TO REMOVE HIM AND REGARDLESS OF HIS MILITARY MIGHT, SECRET POLICE AND WHATEVER OTHER METHODS HE USED TO CONTROL THE POPULACE - HE WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED BY THE IRAQI PEOPLE WHEN THEY HAD FINALLY HAD ENOUGH OF HIS TYRANNY - IT IS NOT NOW NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN THE JOB OR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE UNITED STATES AND IT'S CITIZENS TO DECIDE WHO SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT LEAD OTHER COUNTRIES.

IF THESE TYRANNICAL DESPOTS WITHOUT PROVOCATION MARCH PAST THEIR OWN BORDERS AND JEOPARDIZE THE CITIZENS OF OTHER SMALLER OR WEAKER COUNTRIES THEN IT BECOMES THE RIGHT EVEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY  TO STEP IN, INITIALLY WITH DIPLOMACY AND IF THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENT WITH OVERWHELMING MILITARY POWER TO STOP THE AGGRESSION. THE MILITARY MIGHT OF A TRULY INTERNATIONAL FORCE (dubya's coalition in no way could be considered an international force) SHOULD BE USED IMMEDIATELY IF THE AGGRESSOR NATION DOES NOT RESPOND TO INTERNATIONAL DEMANDS TO WITHDRAW TO THEIR OWN INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARIES AND IT SHOULD BE DONE WITHOUT MONTHS OR YEARS OF COMMITTEES AND RESOLUTIONS OR ECONOMIC SANCTIONS.

ONLY WHEN ALL LEADERS AND POLITICIANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY THAT INTERNATIONAL AGGRESSION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED AND THAT IF THEY ARE SO INCLINED TO MISBEHAVE THAT THERE WILL BE NO REWARD BUT INSTEAD THE COST WILL BE EXTREME AS THEIR BEHAVIOR IS PUNISHED WITH THE OVERWHELMING MIGHT OF THE REST OF THE WORLD, THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL SUCH BEHAVIOR WHICH HAS BEEN A BLIGHT ON MANKIND THROUGHOUT IT'S HISTORY STOP.

dubya ALTHOUGH HE WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE DOES NOT COMPRISE NOR REPRESENT THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT HIS RIGHT NOR IS IT THE RIGHT OF AMERICANS TO DECIDE OR INFLICT A PARTICULAR FORM OF GOVERNMENT ON THE CITIZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES. IN THE CURRENT CONFLICT IF ANYONE IS IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND HAS FLAGRANTLY VIOLATED THE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER STATE IT IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND NOT THE TYRANT HUSSEIN.

JUST SO THAT THE ABOVE IS NOT CONSIDERED COMPLETELY ONE SIDED IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP THAT THERE ARE SOME POSITIVE ASPECTS TO dubya's WAR AND VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW

THE POSITIVE ..... WELL ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK THE CURRENT C.E.O. OF HALLIBURTON OR EVEN THE PREVIOUS C.E.O., VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DICK CHENEY IF THEY HAVE SEEN A POSITIVE RESULT OF THIS WAR. ASK THE EXECUTIVE OFFICERS OF NUMEROUS OTHER MILITARY / INDUSTRIAL CONGLOMERATES (THE MAJORITY OF WHICH HAVE FOR MANY YEARS HAD VERY CLOSE TIES TO THE BUSH AND CHENEY CLANS) IF THEIR BOTTOM LINES HAVE BEEN GREATLY IMPROVED BY THE TAX PAYERS OF THE UNITED STATES.....

COMPETITIVE BIDDING FOR BILLIONS IN CONTRACTS .... are you kidding??? why bother when it is so much easier to just fleece the sheep (AMERICAN TAX PAYING CITIZENS) who become pathetically stupid whenever a flag is waved in front of their faces. By the time they figure out they been had - the treasury of the United States will be inundated in hundreds of billions of dollars of RED INK AND THE FAT CATS WILL BE MUCH FATTER AND OUT OF SIGHT. Furthermore what dubya is unable to accomplish with WAR he will be able to do with his energy policies about to become law, which will give his cronies hundreds of billions of America's dollars in perhaps the biggest rip off of the American people in the history of this country. Apparently America has had much too big a middle class - and dubya is doing his best to rearrange the wealth as with his trillion dollar plus tax cuts 10 % of which will go to the average working guy - the other 90% go to dubya's buddies the wealthiest 5% of the nations populace ---

You have to give the guy credit - he rips America off without any concern for the future generations which will have to pay back his horrendous debt - he rapes the treasury and gives the proceeds to HIS CLASS OF CITIZENS (MOST OF WHOM WERE BORN WITH THE PROVERBIAL SILVER SPOON IN THEIR MOUTHS) AND HE MANAGES TO CONVINCE HALF THE POPULATION THAT HE IS DOING IT FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!!

So many Americans think he is their hero cowboy - WHAT A BUNCH OF PATHETIC YOKELS - HE IS LAUGHING AT YOU AND YOU KNOW WHAT - YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GET - As for your children and your children's children who will end up paying off the debts that this generation under dubya's policies will be leaving as their legacy - THEY HAVE BEEN HAD TOO. - SHAME ON YOU MR. PRESIDENT AND ALL THOSE WHO SUPPORT YOUR POLICIES WHICH WILL DIMINISH THE HEALTH OF THE PLANET AND THE WEALTH OF GENERATIONS YET TO COME WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.

MY FELLOW AMERICANS AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR CHILDREN - WE HAVE BEEN HAD!!

 




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Subject: Test


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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 12 2003, 20:31:26 GMT ( - 8 )


A. “Murder is murder if even it is committed by the Government and named war”.
B. “Theft is theft if even it is committed by the Government and named tax”.
What do you think about these sentences? Do you believe that
1. A is true but B is false.
2. B is true but A is false.
3. Both A and B are false.
4. Both A and B are true.
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[> Subject: Apparently your looking to see if you can obtain simple answers to complex questions....


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Date Posted: Friday, November 14 2003, 7:22:30 GMT ( - 8 )

To Question A: Murder is Murder regardless of whether the state sanctions it or not. If the state takes the life of a convicted felon or murderer they are Murdering that individual. If soldiers take the life of other soldiers or civilians they are indeed murdering those other soldiers and/or civilians. No individual or government body has the right to terminate the existance of any individual.

HOWEVER - any individual or society HAS THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE AND TO PROTECT THEMSELVES IF AN AGRESSOR OR AN AGRESSOR NATION ATTACKS THEM and if in protecting themselves they TERMINEATE THE EXISTENCE OF OTHERS IT IS STILL MURDER BUT MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS THAT IN CASES OF SELF DEFENSE IT IS MITIGATED AND THE ULTIMATE JUDGE WILL RECOGNIZE THE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES.

TO ANSWER B: Depends on the society - If the society is one where the membership has by a majority agreed to pool a percentage of their personal resources for the good of all and they have the right to freely depart and locate themselves elsewhere not under the control of that society then the tax is by no means theft. If the society is dictatorial or controlled by a small elite segment and they impose their will including a tax structure on the populace then by all means it is theft.

YOU MAY WRITE 10,000 CONTRARY WORDS ON THIS BRATTY AND IT WILL HAVE LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE - SIMPLY BECAUSE THE ABOVE WAS WRITTEN BY "THE Duck" and one must NEVER FORGET RULE NUMBER 1 OF THE COSMOS.

COSMIC RULE #1 THE DUCK IS ALWAYS RIGHT
COSMIC RULE #2 IF IN DOUBT REFER TO RULE #1

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Subject: My disgust


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Date Posted: Saturday, October 18 2003, 4:34:26 GMT ( - 8 )

WHAT AN ASHOLE the ASHOLE IS!!

 

(Copied from the Los Angeles Times Editorial/Opinion Section)

Friday, October 17, 2003


COMMENTARY


Students, Nuns and Sailor-Mongers, Beware
Atty. Gen. Ashcroft is pulling out all the stops to prosecute protesters.

By Jonathan Turley, Jonathan Turley is a professor of law at George Washington University.

It has lain dormant in the darkest recesses of American law for 125 years, but this month Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft introduced critics of the administration to his latest weapon in law enforcement.

In a Miami federal court, the attorney general charged the environmental group Greenpeace under an obscure 1872 law originally intended to end the practice of "sailor-mongering," or the luring of sailors with liquor and prostitutes from their ships. Ashcroft plucked the law from obscurity to punish Greenpeace for boarding a vessel near port in Miami.

Not only is the law being used to prosecute one of the administration's most vocal critics in an unprecedented attack on the 1st Amendment, but it appears to be part of a broader campaign by Ashcroft to protect the nation against free speech, a campaign that has converted environmentalists into "sailor-mongers" and nuns into terrorists.

The case against Greenpeace started with a protest in April 2002. The activist group was leading an international effort to stop the illegal importing of mahogany. It believed that a ship, the APL Jade, was engaging in this illegal trade and decided to conduct one of its signature demonstrations to protest the Bush administration's failure to stop the imports.

In clearly marked boats, Greenpeace followed the ship. Two of its members boarded the vessel about eight miles outside the Miami port, carrying a banner that read "President Bush, Stop Illegal Logging."

Such protests are common, and the two activists wore Greenpeace jackets, identified themselves as Greenpeace members and allowed themselves to be arrested. They ultimately pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and were released. The wood was unloaded and everyone seemed satisfied.

Everyone, that is, except Ashcroft.

Fifteen months after the incident, the Justice Department filed an indictment in Miami against the entire Greenpeace organization under the 1872 law, a law that appears to have been used only twice.

A New York court in 1872 described the law as both "inartistic and obscure." An Oregon court in 1890 described the purpose of the law as preventing "the evil" of "sailor-mongers [who] get on board vessels and by the help of intoxicants, and the use of other means, often savoring of violence, get the crews ashore and leave the vessel without help to manage or care for her."

Of course, there did not appear to be many sailors on the APL Jade being lured out to join Greenpeace. But proceeding against two protesters on trivial misdemeanor charges wasn't enough for the Justice Department. So it decided to treat Greenpeace activists not as protesters but as sailor-mongers.

Greenpeace now could lose its tax-exempt status — a potential death knell for a large public interest organization. A conviction could also force Greenpeace to regularly report its actions to the government. Such a prospect must secretly delight many in the administration who see the group as an ever-present irritant. After all, it was Greenpeace that held the first demonstration at the president's ranch after his inauguration, causing a stir when activists unfurled a banner reading "Bush: the Toxic Texan. Don't Mess With the Earth."

Since that time, Greenpeace has waged a continual campaign against Bush's environmental record. Ashcroft's jihad against free speech, however, is not limited to environmentalists. Consider the case of three Dominican nuns. Last year, Sister Ardeth Platte,66, Sister Jackie Hudson,68 and Sister Carol Gilbert, 55, participated in a peaceful demonstration for nuclear disarmament.

As part of the protest, the three nuns cut through a chain-link fence around a Minuteman III missile silo. There is only a light fence because the missile is protected by a 110-ton concrete cap that is designed to withstand a nuclear explosion. The nuns proceeded to paint crosses on the cap and symbolically hit it with hammers. They then knelt, prayed, sang religious songs and waited for arrest. The most the government could allege in terms of damage was $3,000.

However, the Ashcroft Justice Department wanted more than compensation and a common misdemeanor. It charged the nuns with obstructing national defense, which subjected each to a potential 30-year prison term. When the government pushed the court to impose sentences of as much as eight years, the judge refused. However, the judge found, as alleged by the government, that the three nuns had put military personnel "in harm's way." Accordingly, he imposed on them sentences ranging from 2 1/2 years to 3 1/2 years.

The administration has pursued a similar zero-tolerance policy in other cases. It has been accused of using unconstitutional "trap-and-arrest" tactics to suppress protests in Washington, D.C., where hundreds of journalists, bystanders and student protesters were arrested en masse without a warning or an opportunity to disperse. They were then left hog-tied in holding areas for as long as 20 hours, with their hands bound to their ankles.

The Greenpeace case is particularly chilling because of the extraordinary effort to find a law that could be used to pursue the organization. The 1872 law is a legal relic that must have required much archeological digging through law books to find.

It is also notable that other organizations have not faced such attacks. For example, in this same judicial district in Florida, the Cuban American group Democracy Movement organized a protest in which members sailed into a government-designated security zone. Although the members were charged, the organization was not. Similarly, other groups viewed favorably by the administration — such as anti-abortion groups — have not been subject to criminal indictments of their organizations for such protests.

The extraordinary effort made to find and use this obscure law strongly suggests a campaign of selective prosecution — the greatest scourge of the 1st Amendment.

Greenpeace was engaged in a classic protest used by countless organizations, from those of the civil rights movement to anti-abortion groups. It is a way for citizens to express their opposition by literally standing in the path of the government.

None of these organizations contest the right of the government to punish them for trespass or even criminal misdemeanors. Indeed, they view such punishment as a badge of honor.

However, Ashcroft is now seeking symbols of his own: The image of a major environmentalist organization placed on probation or nuns being sent to jail is clearly meant to send a chilling message from the man who once accused his critics of aiding and abetting terrorists.

Unless deterred by Congress or the courts, Ashcroft will continue his campaign to protect Americans from the ravages of free speech. If he succeeds, it will not be sailors but free speech that will be shanghaied in Miami.


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[> Subject: Excuse me Duckie but you don't understand what is happening. It's not about freedom of speech. It's about power. A clash of two agressive groups fighting for world dominance. The same was in 30's, the battle between Fascists and Communists. I don't intend to excuse Ashcroft but I must say Greens are much worse. (the picture below is not related to the post...I guess.)


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[> [> Subject: Yep everyone should know that people trying to save the planet for future generations are worse then any commies or fascists !! As far as the duckies looks like they dressed for Christmas a couple months early. quack


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Date Posted: Monday, October 20 2003, 9:52:28 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: The fable about "saving the planet" is for naïve liberals. As old fables about "liberation working class" and "liberation German nation". BTW an interesting articleRussia buries Kyoto "concensus".


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Date Posted: Monday, October 20 2003, 11:14:58 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: ***and***cause it's required so **** a bunch of requirements


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Date Posted: Saturday, October 11 2003, 0:40:18 GMT ( - 8 )

PEACEFUL IN HERE AGAIN....

well PEACEFUL is GOOD


BORING AS HELL

BUT GOOD!!

a quacking I shall go, a quacking I shall go,
hi - ho the Cosmic Duck
a quacking I shall go

 

quack quack



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[> Subject:

Will you ever stop!! Quit spewing your venom Duck!!! It’s things like this that shows just how you are! EVIL, EVIL, EVIL!!!! LMAO!!!!



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Date Posted: Sunday, October 12 2003, 20:17:48 GMT ( - 8 )


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Subject: You want to know what I think??


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Date Posted: Friday, October 03 2003, 5:59:41 GMT ( - 8 )

Well I’ll tell you anyway LOL!

I think you guys need some new metaphors. “Venom” is getting very tired. LOL!

Might I suggest this?
http://thesaurus.reference.com/

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[> Subject: venemous; bad, baneful, corrupt, damaging, dangerous, deadly, deleterious, destructive, detrimental, fatal, fierce, harmful, infective, insidious, malignant, miasmatic, morbid, morbiferous, morbific, noisome, noxious, peccant, pernicious, pestiferous, pestilential, poisoned, poisonous, polluted, rancid, rank, ruthless, toxic, toxiferous, unwholesome, vicious, viperous, virulent..[MORE?]


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Date Posted: Friday, October 03 2003, 6:35:35 GMT ( - 8 )

Actually mine is installed on my computer W.N.W. an old version but still works without any flaws.

Venomous seemed the best choice and one which I feel was descriptive and accurate in describing the content I was refering too.

No doubt since it has been used more then once and knowing that you bore easily as you have a low tollerance for any repetitive behavior that does not involve Rosy and her five friends :) you would have some remark.

I've warned you previously about these outbursts Mitchell!!
Now after dinner you WILL GO DIRECTLY TO YOUR ROOM AND DO SO WITHOUT YOUR EVENING SPANKING!

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[> [> Subject: Morbiferous is my favorite new word of the day...Now, can somebody tell me how to say that in Thai, please...?


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Date Posted: Friday, October 03 2003, 8:04:44 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> Subject: I just checked my Thai Dictionary...they don't have it...the closest word to it is mordacious...not quite the same thing...but cool nonetheless


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Date Posted: Friday, October 03 2003, 8:08:51 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: mordacious; biting, sharp, acrid an interesting word could be used to describe a person or a cheese!


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<:) duck
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Date Posted: Friday, October 03 2003, 8:36:12 GMT ( - 8 )

I assume you have received my email by now. If not then you have been remiss, negligent, slack, procrastinating, derelict and shabby in checking your email in-box.

Such conduct could be considered reprehensible by some but we won't go there as far as synonyms are concerned cause the paragraph above adequately describes the ducks conduct and not only in reference to his email!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yup...got it, many thanks for your insights again...I appreciate it.


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Date Posted: Friday, October 03 2003, 13:00:54 GMT ( - 8 )

But this week has been busy at work, for a very nice change, and now it's the middle of the night...so sorry for not replying more rapidly, speedier, rapido, and like that...

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[> Subject: I like this one: Shainera menchen haut me gelicht in drert.


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Date Posted: Thursday, October 09 2003, 12:32:24 GMT ( - 8 )

Something to the effect that they have buried nicer(looking) people than that!

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Subject: Holy Yeshua, I go A.W.O.L. for a summer and the place explodes..


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Date Posted: Saturday, September 20 2003, 22:36:39 GMT ( - 8 )

I was going to ask Alie if she'd read a book but maybe she won't even see it. However in deference to Duck here's a quote from his pond I really liked ...

"Love of humanity is more than charity. The value of charity lies only in love, which lives in it. Love surpasses charity in three respects: Charity touches only a man's money; Love touches the man himself. Charity is only for the poor; Love is for both poor and rich. Charity is only for the living; Love is for both living and dead. Love without reproof of error is no love.He who judges his neighbor leniently will be judged leniently by God. Let man always be intelligent and affable in his God-fearing. Let him answer softly, curb his wrath and let him live in peace with his brethren and his kin and with every man, yes, even with the pagan on the street, in order that he be beloved in heaven and on earth, and be acceptable to all men."

Thats from the Talmud. I liked it. *shrug*

Anywho, Alie if you are still around have you read "Constantine's Sword" by James Carroll? Its about Christian/ Jewish relations since the beginning. Very interesting.. rather anti_German but maybe thats to be expected from a man who spent his teens years in post WWII Germany. I am on the section about Spain in the 15th century.. so depressing. So much hate.. so much hurting..

Hey Ducky hows tricks hon?

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[> Subject: I don't think I read this book but I'm not sure.


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Date Posted: Monday, September 22 2003, 5:42:20 GMT ( - 8 )

I did read a book on this topic a while ago and it too was written by a former catholic priest. As hard as I try I can't remember author and title but James Carroll doesn't ring a bell. I borrowed this book from the father of a former colleague and can't look it up anymore.

(2 hours later) Well, I just looked up James Carroll. The book I read was published much earlier and I read it in the early 1990s. I found some very entertaining reviews of Constantine's Sword on amazon.com. It seems Carroll's historical accuracy is slightly flawed, but then one never knows how qualified the reviewers are.

He can have anti-German feelings all he wants as long as they won't taint his perception of ancient history. It just seems kind of strange to me to develop anti-German feelings in the 1950s/60s, I used to think the 1930s/40s lent themselves much more to this purpose. Anyway, the bio I found suggests Carroll was an Airforce brat educated at an American highschool in Wiesbaden. At the time Carroll went to highschool US military personel and their families lived very separate from the German population. The military had their own housing, shops, schools, sports and recreational facilities, most of the personel hardly ever left the military base.

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[> [> Subject: His father was quite high up in the brass so he got out rather a bit.


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Date Posted: Friday, September 26 2003, 12:41:07 GMT ( - 8 )

Maybe its my perception of his writing that makes him seem a tad Anti-German. And being a Catholic I thought he'd NEVER stop confessing and get to the point!: D

Yes, I would agree with his flawed historical perspective. To see the way he paints it, its truly a MIRACLE that Judaism has survived. Thats not to say that things haven't been horribly difficult but still... I think he is very "agenda" in the book. Well with this subject it would be hard to stay objective but he is definately painting all the bad things European Catholics did in VERY bright colors while making you hunt and peck out the good things.

But its a good book overall.. and it is making me think and look at a great many things from a different perspective.. that alone is worthwhile.

Oh yeah and he isn't very fond of the Roman Empire either. He seems to equate them with Stalin... umm yeah okay whatever you say James!

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[> Subject: Well damn.. I finally finished it. I was aiming for Yom Kippur but missed..can't cough and read at the same time. Duck meanwhile is giving me Yiddish lessons on another board! L'Chaim!


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Date Posted: Thursday, October 09 2003, 12:29:04 GMT ( - 8 )

I recommend it Alie if you get a chance. Its an indepth book (after he finishes confessing). Take it with a grain of salt of course. But then you should know that about lay people by now. Carroll's perception is a tad skewed but who's isnt? And he readily admits it.

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Subject: The current exiting quarrel distracts public attention from Alie’s original topic: America is a fascist country. Is it true?


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Date Posted: Saturday, October 04 2003, 2:47:12 GMT ( - 8 )

If we use the world ‘fascism’ not as a common insult ( like the word ‘bitch’ for example. But I recently found out that ‘bitch’ is just a female dog, one of the kindest creatures in the world. At least my dictionary says so) but in more narrow political meaning we can say “Fascism is national-socialism, that is a kind of socialism using nationalism as its official ideology. “ It also has some kind of Great Leader ( Fuhrer) so it’s mostly a dictatorship.
Does America meet these conditions?
America is a socialist country in many ways. She has such socialistic attributes as some nationalized industries, support of family, the political police ( FBI, CIA, EPA etc), compulsory public education, social security, price control, cartelised political structure ( though to be accurate two-party system is not one-party system but I don’t think the difference is huge especially if both parties are socialist ones), racial quotas in colleges, government-funded health-care, strict government’s control over private businesses ( over banks especially) and other stuff typical for Hitler’s Germany. ( You must admit however that it is not American exclusive features. European countries have the same and even more, like, for example, Nazi’s policy of disarming citizens).
However America doesn’t meet two other conditions. American official ideology is not nationalism but some foggy mixture of patriotism, multiculturalism, free market, socialism, environmentalism, geopolitics so on. ( if you take a risk to name this mess ’ideology’). And then, America is not a dictatorship. She is a democracy. Of course, democracy in no way is better than dictatorship but technically it’s not the same.

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[> Subject: The more you write on politics the more confusing you become - I believe you could be described as a NEOANARSERVATIVE which is of course is a combination ANARCHIST AND EXTREME NEO CONSERVATIVE that of course being an oxymoron makes me think perhaps genetics are involved - could it be you are the progeny of an ULTRA CONSERVATIVE WHO GOT BANGED BY AN ANARCHIST AND LIKED IT BUT WILL NEVER ADMIT IT!


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Date Posted: Saturday, October 04 2003, 21:41:08 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> Subject: Excuse me it’s you not me who confuse everything


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Date Posted: Monday, October 06 2003, 1:52:14 GMT ( - 8 )

Comparing me to neo- conservatives? Hah! You are living in the country where they rule and you haven’t realized yet who they are? They are pure socialists, even more than an average liberal. Look at the budget statistics! They spend on those stupid “social needs’’ more than Clinton & Co! Have you seen a neocon who is agree with me that public education should be abolished? No, they say ‘no child behind’ and throw another billions into that dirty hole. Have you seen a neocon who is agree with me that all kind of foreign aid should be stopped? No, they are ardent supporters of those socialist charity agencies like WTO and are ready to feed them forever. Have you ever seen a neocon who is agree with me that Democracy is shit? No, they love it so much that easily kill both Americans and Iraqis to expend this pagan religion onto Middle East.
( Yes, I know you liberals don’t believe in it and you are inventing fantastic versions about reasons of the war but it’s just a mental self-defence. To admit that those assholes are convinced socialists and they worship the same sacred cow Democracy that nice guys? Never never! Let it be oil companies, weapon producers, other gangs of greedy capitalists, Bush’s personal stupidity, cow madness, aliens’ conspiracy, whatever but truth.)

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[> [> [> Subject: Yea I'm with you bratty - TO HELL WITH A SOCIAL CONSCIENCE - MISANTHROPES RULE - or as SHE REPORTEDLY SAID (while her vocal cords still were functional) "LET THEM EAT CAKE"


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Date Posted: Tuesday, October 07 2003, 13:14:00 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Yes, and she was justly punished for her political incorrectness. As well as her son and thousands of others. And then in 20th century kind-hearted socialists killed 100 000 000 greedy misanthropes. The social conscience is a great thing, really.


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Date Posted: Wednesday, October 08 2003, 11:43:14 GMT ( - 8 )


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[> Subject: Socialism


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Kevin
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Date Posted: Monday, October 06 2003, 8:03:14 GMT ( - 8 )

I think America has sort of an advanced socialism. We could probably use a little more of socialism actually. To many Americans, don't really give a crap about anybody but themselves. Many of the people that didn't actually elect our President, but did vote for him would rather save 10 bucks in their check than wipe out hunger and homelessness, or even provide healthcare to all who need it. That is sad really, but true. The evidence shows us that republicans are the party of the rich. Most of them are foolish enough to think they are rich enough to be republicans. They need to ask themselves, 'Do I make over 3 million dollars every year?" If the answer is no, you are not rich enough to benefit from the noeconservative platform. Hope they wake up and realize they are getting screwed to.

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