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Subject: Value Line Author: JeffF [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:57:23 06/25/02 Tue In reply to: Mark7 's message, "Any Stock Market Tips?" on 22:02:01 06/24/02 Mon Valueline is a great publication that analyzes stocks as far as risks and timeliness in plain English so that ordinary people can understand it. The other thing I would suggest is invest in companies that you already like, as long as they look financially sound and growing, or in companies that you want to encourage. In the first category, I have some 401K money in Barnes and Noble, a store I very much like, where I can sit and read or browse in peace without anybody harrasing me to buy(In turn, when I do buy, I always go there first). It's good to invest in companies you already trust as long as they aren't in significant trouble. In the second category, I have money in the 401K in Elan, a drug company which is doing serious work looking for a cure for Alzheimers. It's a pretty neutral stock so far. I haven't really made or lost anything on it, but it's a company I want to encourage and of course, if they do develop something to fill a pressing need, the stock will take off too. But always check valueline. As for your article, mixed feelings, but it was at least highly entertaining. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Value Line Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:07:22 06/25/02 Tue Barnes & Noble seems like a good idea. I'll look into it. What is the ticker symbol for that one? Anyhow, the Onion article kills me when I re-read it. Back at the beginning of 2001 when it was written we all had a good laugh at it, not knowing it will become a prophecy... On the Middle East issue, I really wish the Israelis will kill Arafat. Exile would not work like it didn't work the first time. I have no great sympathy for Arafat, but mostly I wonder who the Israelis will blame afterwards, because you know as well as I do that Arafat is just the symptom, not the cause. There is a lot more justice to be done, and a lot more wrongs to be rigthted before peace can be achieved in the Middle East. Sharon will never give up any territory to anybody, including the Golan hights to Siria, and the only Israeli prime minister serious about peace was killed by... an Orthodox Jew, not by an Arab. We live in a very dangerous time. Fundamentalists of all species, Muslim, Jewish and Christian are working very hard to distroy the free world. When I listen to Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, not to mention the few Jewish religious programs on TV, I hear exactly the same discourse Osama Bin Laden was using... Pat Robertson the other day said on national TV that "killing Palestinian children is normal in war". And nobody seems to notice the implications in a brain washed red-neck American intellectual desert land... And having a retard in the White House doesn't help either... But considering the amount of bad religion, and the fact that retards in the mid west have twice as much voting clout in America vs. the civilized parts of the nation (East and West coasts) we are up for some real hard times. Fundamentalists are all alike, whether Orthodox Jews, Born Again Christians or Muslims. They want to kill (preferably the weak) in the name of somebody and blame God for it.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Value Line Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:21:30 06/25/02 Tue BKS is the symbol for Barnes and Noble. It's gone down this week, which is a good time to pick up a stock that should go back up. As for the Middle East, I sort of agree with you about Arafat. There won't be peace if one man is gone. The trouble is there is hardly anybody else on the horizon who is seriously interested in making peace. Hanan Ashwari possibly. At least she signed a note discouraging suicide bombings and at least she seems to be genuinely interested in peace. If the Palestinians hold actual elections, it will be a start. The whole police service needs to be reformed too. Rabin was not the only Prime Minister interested in peace. Barak made a very serious offer for peace. Almost all peace offers come from the Israeli side. Perhaps, the Palestinins ought to write a comprehensive peace proposal of their own. As for the Golan Heights, those cannot be given back until there are security guarantees and a peace treaty with Syria similar to the one with Egypt. Syria wants to get off the list of countries that sponsor terrorism. There are steps she can take to do that. It is hard for some middle east leaders to take steps for peace knowing how many assasinations there have been. You are correct that Rabin was assasinated by a jew. Likewise, Sadat was assasinated by an Arab. You are most often killed by your own side if you go too far for peace.Leaders don't just have to make peace. They have to sell the people on it.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Selling the people on it Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:54:26 06/26/02 Wed It seems that whenever a Jewish leader talks too much about peace, the Rabbis kill him. It happened with Jesus 2000 years ago, and it happened with Rabin. In fairness, if anybody would talk about peace to our Pharises (Conservative Right, Born Again Rednecks, Pat Robertson & Co), he would be stoned to death also. It goes with fundamentalism, regardless of religion. Clinton may have been a crook, but he was a smart crook and he made a great president, probably one of the most unfairly treated presidents in the US history in the 20th century. Bush is an idiot, a retard, and to make it worse, an arrogant idiot with no life experience, no hardships and no qualifications for the job he holds. I miss the Clinton years, and more and more Americans will miss it also, sooner than they expect. I wish Bush would get a BJ from a 22 year old intern if it would give him half the brains Clinton had... But the retard will bring only ruin to America. He believes the Middle East politics is High Noon, with Bush playing the role of Wyatt Earp shooting up the bad guys. Sharon and Arafat are both the Jewish and Arab immage of the 20th century terrorist. One sending teens to blow themselves up in a bad way for a right cause, the other pretending to be a gentlemen officer, while being a butcher worthy of a Staff Sargent in the SS. Both have an Ace up their sleeve. Sharon has Bush by the balls and is squeezing hard, while Arafat is cheating at the card game... We will see. I doubt there ever will be any Palestinian state. No Jewish leader could survive it. He would be killed by the Rabbis.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Jesus? Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:59:23 06/26/02 Wed Common mistake, Mark, but wrong. I'm obviously not a Christian, but it's clear that Jesus was killed by Romans(Herod, Pilate and others were not Jews, let alone Rabbis). I'm not an admirer or Clinton or Bush. Clinton was a consistent liar. Monica was the least of it. As far as Monica, I would have had more regard for Clinton if he had just told Ken Starr and the nation, "I'm not answering any questions about that. It has nothing to do with whitewater or anything else under investigation and it's none of your business or the countrys". A great president? Clinton had one significant accomplishment - the Family and Medical Leave Act which was long overdue. That's about it. I think it would help if we went back to Presidents with Congressional experience. Both Bush and Clinton were governors. It takes too long to learn that Washington doesn't work like a state. People who already know how Washington works have an advantage. As for a Palestinian State, I think it's inevitalbe in some form. It's not in Israels interest in the long term to keep a lot of captured territory and people. Bush's plan isn't a plan. It just states wishes. While timetables are a bad idea, there need to be steps taken to get negotiations back on track. Of course, the Palestinians also have to be serious about negotiating and the other Arab states have to participate.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jesus? Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:09:09 06/27/02 Thu Pilat from Pont wanted to execute Barnabas, the Zealot, because Barnabas was a more immediate threat to Roman authority (which was the only thing Romans cared about together with collecting taxes). It was the priests of the temple who insisted on Jesus' execution, because Jesus interfered with the money changing and the business that was conducted in the temple. Pilat repeatedly "washed his hands" of the blood of Jesus. This reference has been interpreted by most Biblical scholars to mean that the guilt associated with the Jesus execution was to be the responsibility of those asking for the execution (the Priest Temples). It's the same catch 22 any war criminal faces - who is the guilty for the crime? The soldier who kills at order, or the general who gives the order? In case of Sharon, it is the soldier in the Christian militia who kills women and children in a Muslim refugee camp. In case of Arafat, it is Arafat, even when for acts committed while he was cut off and without any security means. But these are all semantics. The Bible can and will be interpreted in any way the reader wants to interpret it. It is a life story so broad, that it offers support for any position, including genocide (all those Moabites and Amonites). I'm just mentioning it, because unlike many other, I did read the Bible from one end to the other, and I also am one of the few who read Karl Marx's "Das Kapital", Lenin's thesis and Keynes theory. I guess that's what guys do at night when they don't get laid. I do agree with you about Clinton's answer to an investigation. Mitterand of France told reporters just what you and I wish Clinton would have told Ken Starr (back off buster!). But Clinton was raised Southern Babtist, which means he has a mixture of guilt for sex plus a belief that sex is the root of all evil. I also agree about Bush not having a plan. Planning is not his strong point. Bush's strong point is to play the role of the Clint Eastwood in foreign policy. MOst of our compatriots imagine that foreign policy is conducted in the manner in wich Eastwood deals with "punks" in Dirty Harry. Problem is, Punks like Sharon are stronger than Bush, and Punks like Osama and Arafat prove to be smarter than Bush (not trying to say that Arafat or Osama are smart). So the conclusion is we, the American People lose.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Smarts Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:41:26 06/27/02 Thu Arafat is smart in a certain way. He knows how to survive. It's amazing how many times he's been able to do that -survive and stay in power. You say that an Israeli leader who makes peace is most likely to be assasinated by his own side. That may be true, but Arafat too is always most in danger from his own side - from those like Hamas, or Islamic Jihad or states like Iraq, who don't think he should be talking at all. The problem is when your main goal is survival, you can't show brave leadership. As for Clinton, the Rhodes Scholar, he is intelligent in a way, but with no sense, and few principles. Monica bothers me far less than Hilary's secret Healthcare task force, filegate, the unecessary deaths at Waco and a number of other more important scandals. I think the basic problem is that Arkansas, good old buddy system of politics that it was was used to corruption and people looking the other way. Again, I say a lack of Washington experience hurt Clinton. He thought it would work the way it worked when you were Governor and it doesn't. As for Bush, what's annoying is his indifference to what he doesn't know. To be a good President, you have to be willing to study the world and the issues involved and the same goes for domestic issues. There are too many times when the President lets his advisors tell him what to think about an issue. I have no idea whether I would vote for him for reelection, until I see what the other choice will be.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jesus? Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:38:34 06/27/02 Thu I repeat. I think the problem with peacemaker being killed by their own is not a Jewish problem. It is a religious fundamentalist problem. Pacifists were killed in cold blood in the US in the 60s by people claiming to be "Christians". Fundamentalists of all religions, Born Agains, Muslims and Jewish are all more likely to kill peacemakers among their ranks in the name of God. As for George W. Bush, there is one thing far more dangerous than his stupidity in combination with his arrogance. The worst thing about George W. Bush is that he truly hates democracy and all things democratic. He was elected by a minority proclaimed King George 2nd by the Supreme Court (last time a George 2 rulled America we had the Boston tea party). Most of his acts as president have to do with distroying equal protection under the law. He is trying to establish state religion (this idiotic mixture of bad Judaism and fake Christianity called Evangelism that is neither old testament nor New testament). He tries now to establish this KGB style security system called the "HOmeland" security with powers to intrude into anybody's life and distroy it at the ruler command. The Homeland security office will add no security, but will bring back the 50s wich hunts for reds. Only international justice for the common man can add justice in the present world. Bush had a historic opportunity to define the terrorist from the freedom fighter. But he refused. He prefered to take the coward's choice - He declared all his personal undesirables as terrorists, thus placing all Americans in danger and alienating most of the civilized world. To this day, Bush will not have the courage to give us an objective definition of who is a terrorist, a definition that would describe the terrorist in uniform as well as the one without a uniform. We don't know how the Kosovo liberation Army is different than the Palestinian Liberation Army, or how the Chechen and Kashmir resistance is different than the Palestinian resistance or the Colombian leftist guerrilla. We don't know why we aid the Columbian right wing paramilitaries in terrorising peasants, and we stumble on the Russian military campain in Chechnia or the Kashmir conflict depending on the daily CIA confusion of the day. G.W.Bush has a born disdain for democracy, a deep hate and disdain for democratic values that is shared by all those born in priviledge. He will alter America forever in favor of America's worst instincts: Greed, Racism and Religious Intolerance. The administration Bush presides over is the imbodiment of these three bad American instincts (look at Cheney & Co). Give the bastard and his Christian Coalition friends a second term and he'll Talibanize America in a Born Again Jimmy Swaggart fashion.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Can't tell Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:05:44 06/28/02 Fri Do you like the President? LOL As to whether he will be reelected, that's in large part up to what alternative the Democrats provide. The Boston Tea Party was against George III, not the second. I repeat - a terrorist is somebody who INTENTIONALLY attacks civilians for political gain. We aid Columbia because our drug was has little common sense to it and this is part of the drug war.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: International Terrorists Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:46:03 06/29/02 Sat You are right about George 3. God save us of another George 3. Thank God baby Bush has only daughters and Americans don't elect women to the highest office. I understand your definition for International terrorists. I don't believe this is the official Bush stance on the issue, hoever: Would the Christian militias and their leader, Ariel Sharon terrorists for killing women and children in Sabra and Chatilla? Or the definition of terrorist does not apply to Sharon?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: International Terrorists Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:51:16 06/30/02 Sun There is no doubt in my mind that the massacres in the Lebanon camps were deliberate killings of the civilians there, which makes them terrorist acts, so that Hadad and others who were responsible would by my definiton be terrorists. As for Sharon, if he was involved, than under the definition, it would be a criminal act. I don't think a distinction can be made between ordinary people involved and top ranking people. Nuremberg made that clear, even if they were inconsistent in the actual verdicts. I'm aware of the Belgium indictment against Sharon, but as I've stated here before, I'm also aware that Sharon won his libel case against Time Magazine which had said he was involved. So far, it remians unproven. If it ever does prove to be a fact, I have no problem saying in that case he should be arrested. I'm not going to defend Sabra and Chattilla. It's not defensible. Nor am I going to pretend there have never been Jewish terrorists. That would be silly.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: East Germany Case Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:53:13 07/02/02 Tue In 1991 or so, there was a highly publicized case about 4 East German border guards who shot and killed fellow East Germans trying to escape communism by going over the Berlin wall. The border guards were found guilty and charged to some 5 or 6 years of prison, although it was clear they were acting under orders and they were draftees with no choice with respect to their military service. Having been both an East European draftee, and someone who escaped communism in a similar fashion, I found this as one of the greatest travestee of justice. While these men were going to jail for things they were forced in doing at the age of 19 or 20, the bastard Erik Honeker was allowed to flee to Chile (the land of Pinochet!!!!! go figure) and die peacefully. I guess communist dictator and capitalist dictator can get along very well thank you, as long as they murder their opposition. Back to Israel - I see confiscation and demolition of Palestinian homes as an act of terrorism. Also terrorism is to shoot at ambulances who try to help the wonded on a battlefield. The Israeli state seems to be guilty as hell, and Bush hasn't bombed Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. ON the contrary, we gave them more weapons and "unconditional support" so they can do more of the same in the name of the "war on terror". Very hypocritical in my oppinion - but also very fundamentalist conservative worthy of a Bush adminisration.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Fundamentalists Author: Forest [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:24:37 07/03/02 Wed Frontline had a program recently about Israel and the Palestinians. It left me very depressed. The fundamentalists on both sides were prominently displayed, and they are ugly people, Jew and Arab alike. One comment that really stood out for me: someone said Arafat has not worked to prepare his people for peace. It strikes me as a true statement. That silly speech he gave after Barak pulled out of southern Lebanon. . . the negotiations where they worked so hard to settle, but it was all undone by such little effort. No, they aren't prepared for peace.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Fundamentalists Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:15:06 07/03/02 Wed While Arafat is extremely unhelpful and interested mostly in his own survival, it would take a lot to prepare the people for peace. You have to realize that textbooks in schools in areas controlled by the PA don't even acknowledge Israel's existence. As much as I despise Arafat, it's far more than one man that's the problem. The press and the schools incite hatred. I also repeat that unless the major surrounding Arab states sign off on a peace treaty, it won't hold. As far as Israel, the fence is an understandable, but very bad idea. Families are going to be separated, which will just increase resentments. The coalition government is very divided and this is a rare case when Sharon is doing something he doesn't much believe in. I'm not sure how much longer the current Israeli government can last. Either labor or the religious parties may bolt at any time for different reasons.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, we agree about the media Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:07:37 07/04/02 Thu I agree with you about the media inciting this war. American media does not acknowledge the right of people to live, exist and have rights in the land they were born. The American media has managed to portray the Arab as a born terrorist, while if you look at the fundamentals of the Palestinian situation and you judge in fairness, I would expect any nation under same circumstances to behave in similar fashion. One editorial was telling about how IDF snipers were shooting at workers trying to repair the running water in Jenin, even though their work was approved by the Israeli government in advance. I am sure that will not be considered as an act of terrorism (attack against civilian population) by our idiot leader. What do Jewish school text tell Jewish kids about Palestinians born in their back yards? Do they acknowledge the right of Palestinians to live in Gaza or the West Bank?

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Prepared for Peace Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:01:22 07/04/02 Thu Hi Forest, glad to hear from you again. No, neither the Israelis, nor the Palestinians are prepared for peace. And no matter how much the Bible babling Fundamentalists with their retard leader talk about wars without end, Americans are not prepared for war either. At least, I doubt Americans are prepared for a prolonged war with 1 billion Muslim for the sake of Jewish settlers in West Bank or for the thirst for blood that Pat Robertson and the home grown Nazzi Fundamentalist Coalition clan.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Value Line Author: Forest [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:20:44 07/03/02 Wed Hey don't forget the retards in the South who were gonna start another secesion if the Supreme Court hadn't chosen our new president!

[> [> [> [> Subject: One thing Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:09:39 07/03/02 Wed I do volunteer work with retarded kids. I don't care what any of you think of the President. But I wish you'd come up with a new word to try and insult him.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Wonder why I don't Author: Forest [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:36:53 07/03/02 Wed see your post here on the main listing?. . . So the kids aren't retarded right? They're developmentally disabled. I'm sorry you are offended, but somehow the word "retard" still seems appropriate in the above discussion. Have you seen this site? http://www.vor.net/

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Wonder why I don't Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:05:57 07/03/02 Wed I'm familiar with Vor and the work they do. I volunteer through a local Association for Retarded Citizens. The national ARC does a lot of advocacy too. As far as volunteering, I particularly like the once a month parents day out where you spend time with a kid for a day and give the parents a break. It takes place at a church with two great playgrounds and a game room and craft room. Very good place and very nice days and the parents really appreciate it, even though it's only once a month. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm offended. It takes a lot to actually offend me, but comparing politicians to the kids does insult them a bit. As for the technical questions about this board, beats me. It's always tricky enough to know where to put the replies. Good to see you here though.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: New Names? Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:28:52 07/04/02 Thu How about: The Fierce Idiot The Dumb Cruciader Sharon's Puppy Don Jorhe De La Tejas and the Middle East Mills The Drunken Cowboy in the East Side Bar Trikle Down Dow Jones Musharaf's friend Freedom Figher of the Land of Lost Reason Have any other suggestions?