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Mark7
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Date Posted: 22:59:21 10/03/01 Wed
We agree in this one. We shouldn’t embrace Saudi Arabia and Pakistan just because it is convenient today.
2. A deliberate attack on civilians is never justifiable no matter the political aims. The people at the Trade Center and the people at the Pentagon(we here in the DC area lost people that day too)were just going about the day to day business of going to work. The people on the planes were just ordinary people flying. NOTHING can justify the attacks.
No, a deliberate attack on civilians for political means is never justifiable. It is not justifiable in the case of the WTC, it wasn’t justifiable in the case of the Belgrade TV station and hospitals hit, it wasn’t justifiable iwhen the bridges over the Danube in Belgrade were hit. It isn’t justifiable when the Israeli Army shoots missiles from Apache helicopters into Nablus killing women and children.
It is wrong when Palestinian homes are demolished randomly in retaliation. That is terrorism also, even if it's done by uniformed thugs with little hats on the tips of their heads instead of unshaved thugs dressed in dirty bedspreads.
Yet the moral outrage for those crimes is lacking in America.
And that’s why nobody can agree as to who is the terrorist and who is the freedom fighter. Because your simplistic definition in above post does not apply. The Pentagon is a military target, and the Belgrade TV station was full of civilians, yet our men in uniform are not terrorists, they are freedom fighting gentlemen officers. And THEIR freedom fighters are always the terrorists.
I say terrorism is fought only when you and I are outraged at the terror unleashed by OUR freedom fighter. The other, is simply good old fashion war.
3. People who want to know why it happened should read Bin Laden's Fatwah. The reasons he hates America are there in his own words and primarily relate to our policy in the gulf. Unless you've actually taken the time to read what he said, you're just talking off the top of your head.
I don’t speak Arabic, and frankly, I doubt I can find an accurate English translation. For some reason, I cannot believe our support of Israel has nothing to do with it.
4. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East which makes her our natural ally. In case you haven't noticed, when King Hussein died, Jordan had a new king as successor. Assad's son took over in Syria. Israel is the only country in the area with elected leaders.
It may be a democracy for you, because you are Jewish. But if you are Arab, it is a democracy just as South Africa was during the apartheit era. The occupied territories are the Bantustans.
Israel is no democracy. Israel is a THEOCRACY. Citizenship is given only to one religious and ethnic group, qualification for converting to Judaism is in the hands of Orthodox Rabbis, many of whom are just as mad and bloodthirsty as Osama Bin Ladin and Jerry Falwel.
Iran has elections also and it doesn’t make it a democracy. Religious fundamentalism Islamic, Jewish or Christian excludes democracy. There is no such a thing as a democratic religious state. Plus, Israel has specific problems.
There are 1.8 million Arabs who are hostages at gunpoint and have no right in the land where they were born. That is no democracy, and remember that I learned more than creationism in school. Tell that story to idiot uneducated Bible brainwashed rednecks. They will believe you.
5. It's in Isreal's best interest to let the Palestinians have an independant state on the West Bank, but this will not cause peace unless the rest of the Arab world signs off on it and unless borders are guaranteed by the US and European countries. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is just a part of the wider conflict which is between Israel and the Arab dictatorships.
I do not believe Israel wants peace. If it did it would have withdrawn the settlements. Israel wants land, and maybe that is why they elected Sharon, the terrorist of Palestinian women and children in Lebanon as prime minister. And I believe you know Israel wants expansion.
Sharon is just the Jewish version of Milosevich. But you will never see him tried at the Haga, just as you never saw Ben Gurion for setting British soldiers on fire alive.
6. As far as Bin Laden, I think it would be better to capture him and put him on trial than just to kill him. The world and Americans need to see the evidence and make sure we have the right guy. If he's killed, I won't lose any sleep over it, but a trial would be better.
I agree. Bin Laden dead is a martyr. It will do nothing to deter terrorism, and a lot to incite it. I would much prefer Bin Laden in front of a jurry.
And I never said you were unAmerican. Still putting words in my mouth.
True, you never did. Your buddy, Ethan said something about being sick of people with my oppinion, bla bla bla. Since I cannot reply to his post, I picked on you, knowing you two share so many things in common.
You can tell him, I am sick of people like him, who believe America should be the big immoral bully, and who put the interests of Israel above the interests of his own country.
The aliance with Israel has brought the US little benefit and lots of problems and grief. Terrorism is a direct consequence of our immoral behavior towards the Palestinians, like it or not.
Military response will not frighten men ready to die for what they believe in. It never did throughout history. It never will. America needs to change it’s policy towards Israel and Palestine if it wants peace and prosperity. If America wants war, terror, murder and revenge… well, you have Ethan’s posts on DP, GW Bush’s speaches about cruciades, Bin Laden’s Jihad, Israel’s settlements, and suicide bombers.
I hope the reason of the American people will prevail over the greed and moral culpability of our politicians, and America will change it’s foreign policy. But frankly, I am skeptical. From what I see, we need more hurt before we learn to reason as a nation. I blame teaching positive thinking to the exclusion of critical thinking.
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