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Subject: very good points


Author:
Forest
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Date Posted: 07:12:52 07/07/01 Sat
In reply to: Mark7 's message, "Jeff and Clint - points" on 22:45:29 07/06/01 Fri

there is a lot of silence on the Western European and American side with regard to the important role that Russia played in bringing down Hitler.

In fact, one could say "thank god that Hitler attacked the Russians" that's what finally got the resistance going, after the reclamation of the demilitarized zone, the siezure of Austria, the tragic giveaway of Czecoslovakia, the armed seizure of Poland. . .

I would also say the same thing: "I am prowd of my origin, and I am proud of being who I am, and I will bring a piece of what I think is good in my old culture with me and You Clint will have to live with it."

my grandparents were the immigrants. Thank goodness they came before Hitler's rise!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Forest7 and Mark7


Author:
Clint1
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Date Posted: 11:19:54 07/07/01 Sat

Painful as the present time may be, we will one day see the reason for it.
We can see that it was not testing, but a preparation for the life work
which we are to do. We can have faith that our prayers and aspirations will
some day be answered. Answered in a way that perhaps seems painful
to us, but is the only right way. Selfishness and pride often make us
want things that are not good for us. They need to be burned out of our
natures. We can be rid of the blocks, which are holding us back, before we
can expect our prayers to be answered.

Maybe if both of you adhere to these words of Wisdom, it could benefit you in everyday life. When you turn loose of the past and present yourself as good honest citizens, then maybe your life will be prosperous..
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Huh?


Author:
Forest
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Date Posted: 11:38:17 07/07/01 Sat

don't pull a Mitch on me Clint. What the devil are you talking about? ARe you saying that I'm NOT a good honest citizen? and what's with all the spiritual advice? If that's a quote of someone else's you should provide attribution!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: If only I was born in the right place?


Author:
Mark7
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Date Posted: 22:52:37 07/07/01 Sat

If only I was born in the right place, the US, I would have no need of improvement?

Ha, Clint, you make me roar with laughter.

What do you say? Americans (whomever they may be) have a special moral gene? One that makes them holders of the truth?


[> [> [> [> Subject: Russian Men and American Women


Author:
Mark7
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Date Posted: 22:47:49 07/07/01 Sat

If you want to single out who did win WW2 against Hitler at least, it was the Russian men who did most of the fighting, and American Women who built most of the war material used by all allied forces in Europe.

If any of the battles won by American troops would have been lost, the war would still have been won by America and Russia in the long run. It would have been costly and painful, but Ardens, or Sicily or Normandie had no effect on the outcome of the war, other than make it shorter.

But if Stalingrad or Kursk would have been lost, or if the Germans would have captured Odessa the oil fields in the Caspian basin, the outcome of the war would have been different.

Hitler would have had all the oil from Russia to fly his jets and shoot down F17s. And the Sherman tanks were a poor match for the Pantzers.

But the Russians did keep the oil fields from Hitler, and American women kept the war supplies flooding allied troops into victory.

Anybody else thinks this way?

[> [> [> [> Subject: one other story we hear little of


Author:
Forest
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Date Posted: 14:06:19 07/08/01 Sun

one other story we hear little of is that of the suffering of the German people under Hitler. Those that were hauled off to Dachau and the other concentration camps, whose property was confiscated by the Nazis, and so on. I mentioned elsewhere the young women forced to be members of Nazi youth camps who were undoubtedly raped then told it was good to bear children for the Reich.

No doubt it was not the same number as the targeted Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, handicapped and homosexuals, but still significant and a story to be told if we really want to understand Hitler, the Nazis and how such a thing as the holocaust could happen.


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