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> > > > ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.dailyamerican.com/articles/2007/01/16/ >news/tuesday/news06.txt">http://www.dailyamerican.com/a >rticles/2007/01/16/news/tuesday/news06.txt</a> > ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.tribune-democrat.com/siteSearch/apstor >ysection/local_story_352232054.html">http://www.tribune >-democrat.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_352 >232054.html</a> > ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.tribune-democrat.com/siteSearch/apstor >ysection/local_story_346083139.html">http://www.tribune >-democrat.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_346 >083139.html</a> > > > > > > > > >>This is the first I heard of a proposed new landfill >>across the river from the existing one. Does anyone >>have factual information on it? >> >> >>>We are all intelligent enough to believe what we want >>>and make our own decisions.......hopefully based on >>>fact and not conjecture (a little more research may >be >>>in order to find out what really stopped the acid >rock >>>dumping in Indiana County). >>> >>> >>>>If I put trash out on my curb and it ends up in my >>>>backyard that is one thing. When Bruce Springsteen >>and >>>>Rudolf Guiliani put trash out on their curb and it >>>>ends up in my backyard, that is a completely >>different >>>>matter. >>>> >>>>Remember the acid rock controversy in Indiana county >>>>last year? That was stopped dead in its tracks. Not >>by >>>>cooperation, or by "having a voice at the table", >>that >>>>was stopped by a bunch of angry locals just saying >>>>"NO!". >>>> >>>>Look at Paint Creek, Shade Creek, Blacklick Creek, >>the >>>>Little Conemaugh...that smelly orange water isn't >the >>>>result of protests and opposition. That is the >result >>>>of cooperation. >>>> >>>>What more can be lost? As it stands they are set to >>>>bury yet another 5 million tons of solid waste along >>>>the banks of the region's best whitewater river. >What >>>>worse fate is there? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>That is certainly one way to look at it. But, try >>to >>>>>read this with an open mind...Another may be that >>the >>>>>landfill is EXACTLY the type of partnership that is >>>>>necessary for the paddling community. The landfill >>>>>understands they do have somewhat of a negative >>>impact >>>>>on the surrounding community and does what they can >>>to >>>>>give back to the community, whether the reasons are >>>>>selfish or not. >>>>> >>>>>This is not the place to solve waste management >>>>>issues, but whether the paddling community accepts >>>>>sponsorship from a landfill or not will not affect >>>the >>>>>fact that the landfill is there...and is >>>>>necessary...and is not going away under the current >>>>>system as long as you keep putting trash on your >>>curb. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>But, on the other hand, if we take a standoffish >>>>>approach and make yet another enemy, then certain >>>>>community improvements may not happen and guess >>>>>what??? The landfill is still there and, most >>>>>importantly, WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE A VOICE AT THE >>>>>TABLE. >>>>> >>>>>Would you have more success getting your point >>across >>>>>to a partner? Or an enemy? Anyone treated like an >>>>>enemy will certainly not listen to our >>issues...which >>>>>is why the landfill is a good to keep as a partner. >> >>>>> >>>>>That does not mean we should not question or even >>>>>challenge them if warranted...the key is how one >>goes >>>>>about it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>If an organization has an event and some other >>>>>>organization sponsors it,then that act of >>>sponsorship >>>>>>gives, at least, the appearance of an alliance >>>>between >>>>>>the two organizations. >>>>>> >>>>>>Which is probably why you don't see hunting rifle >>>>>>companies sponsoring PETA events. A paddling club >& >>>a >>>>>>landfill seems just as unlikely of a partnership. >>>>>> >>>>>>But this is probably something best discussed at a >>>>>>meeting. The internet is a great place to exchange >>>>>>info, but a an absolutely awful place to have a >>>>>>discussion about real issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't recall anyone stating they supported >>>>>anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Just for confirmation sake. There's a group that >>>is >>>>>>>>turning the entire stoneycreek watershed into a >>>>dump >>>>>>>>for New York/ New Jersey and we support them >>>>because >>>>>>>>they promise us rocks? >>>>>>>>How well do you think those dumps will hold up >at >>>>>>full >>>>>>>>capacity during a Johnstown flood?

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