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Subject: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
7A monitor
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Date Posted: 05:04:57 06/05/03 Thu
 Mr.Shum,today we have replied ur request already.
(1)those who wont go to the dinner have to pay a sum of money is the traditional convention
(2)its not fair to the student who have paid $100 if we
return it for u
(3)u have promised me that u would join the dinner in icq,right?
hence, i hope u can understand for our constraints

Also,i must state clearly that Lo Siu Hong(21)has not pay
the 100 ,even he wouldnt join.i disclose the fact here as
i respect those who have paid their money even they are
not decide to join it.and i hope it would not raise any
arguement in here for the issue.

last,those who havent pay the fees should pay it as soon
as possible.as we have to pay part of fees to hotel very soon
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[> Subject: 下...


Author:
蔡進步
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Date Posted: 11:13:57 06/05/03 Thu
我去的,因為太忙,未能有空比$$~~我會盡快的了,sorry
不過...乜唔去都要比$$的嗎?
咁有冇搞錯.....一句tradition都唔得嫁wor....tradition是以前的人既事.....
就算係官方搞既活動都唔可以咁收人錢啦
至於你話對收左果d唔公平....更加係離晒譜既argument,呢個係你地自己唔諗清楚收左其他人錢之麻...咁關d同學咩事....
(p.s.可能我搞得唔係好清楚,100是自願既就當我冇講過,sorry)
[> [> Subject: Re: 下...


Author:
7B5 朱世洛
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Date Posted: 12:20:44 06/05/03 Thu
>我去的,因為太忙,未能有空比$$~~我會盡快的了,sorry
>不過...乜唔去都要比$$的嗎?
>咁有冇搞錯.....一句tradition都唔得嫁wor....tradition是?>H前的人既事.....
>就算係官方搞既活動都唔可以咁收人錢啦
>至於你話對收左果d唔公平....更加係離晒譜既argument,呢個?>Y你地自己唔諗清楚收左其他人錢之麻...咁關d同學咩事....
>(p.s.可能我搞得唔係好清楚,100是自願既就當我冇講過,sorry
>)

第一、90%唔去的同學(7B7C全部唔去的同學，再加部份7A的同學)真係自願交0個100蚊，而且今日已經交左

第二、決定去謝師宴的同學的人數成日都係到變，我地之前問到一個決定去的人數，用呢個人數計左每人$330，之後又突然話唔去，但係我地又晨早通知晒全世界交錢，可是只要有一個人話唔去，我地已經由有鬆動的資金變財政緊拙，再多少少人話唔去已經赤字，因為我地係大約80人請廿靚個先生的關係，所以每個同學用頗為大份錢來請一個老師才有咁既情況，也暗示如果唔收$100，越少人去就越貴，如果各位一早可以下好決定，我們也不打算收$100

基於類似的考慮，其他學校甚至會採取投降輸一半(唔去都俾一半)，甚至係唔去都要俾全費的辦法，各位同學，冷靜d諗下，點解咁多同學會俾呢$100先，就算真係因為即使有d事去唔到，佢地都想出番先生一份，聊表心意，多謝佢地咁多年來教誨，也會奏f去的同學會咧鴘漳ouvenir
你可能覺得我屈你錢，也可能是我解釋得不夠清楚，但係，你聽完以上的原因，係咪仲覺得0個$100係全無意義，屈你埋牆呢？
[> [> [> Subject: 不愧是辯論隊冠軍,將我抹黑


Author:
7A wolf
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Date Posted: 13:50:43 06/05/03 Thu
I just want to point out something:

1. 可是只要有一個人話唔去，我地已經由有鬆動的資金變財政緊拙
Risks are needed to include in planning. I believe that you will not make the budget so tight, even buying some pens for drawing is not available.

2. 如果各位一早可以下好決定，我們也不打算收$100
I HAD ALREADY SAID "GO" AND PAID to the grad. dinner fees to Muscle on 29/5 when I know the day will be fixed on 27/6 at Mongkok. However, some of my classmates had some arguments with you, so someone changes the day and place. Then, how can you assume everyone will make the same choice again?

3. Until now, I have not decided join the grad. dinner or not since I may can't change the day of off. If I can't join, why I need to pay $100? 聊表心意? 多謝佢地咁多年來教誨? From F.1 / F.6 to F.7, is it only cost $100? Make it as be a slogan is ok!

4. 你可能覺得我屈你錢，也可能是我解釋得不夠清楚，但係，你聽完以上的原因，係咪仲覺得0個$100係全無意義，屈你埋牆呢？
Not 屈 is what? Even now I can't get back my money. It does seem that if I get back the money, grad. dinner will be destroyed & I will be 不尊師重道. However, what have you said when Muscle collected my money? Nothing!!! Also, 依合約精神,是你毀約 (27/6 grad. dinner),再定新約(26/6 grad. dinner). Then, assume I will follow 新約. Is it 屈?

Mr. Chu, everyone wants to make the grad. dinner perfect. However, it is not the excuse. Finally, please mind your wording. You will hurt other carelessly. I don't have time to have a war on here and I don't want to have a war here.
Let's us have a cold down period, is it ok?
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 不愧是辯論隊冠軍,將我抹黑


Author:
Lo
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Date Posted: 21:18:23 06/05/03 Thu
I won't go not because of what, just because i'll have an exam on that day. I won't give that $100 because I think it's unfair. If anyone think that it's unfair to those who have paid, I would like to apologize here.

What makes me angry is that no one care about why I can't go. All they care is money. And when I loved and ready to participate the Grad.dinner held on 27/6, someone change it to 26/6 which I'll not be able to go.
Is it's fair to me? Anyway, no one care. They care about money..

(This is all I can say for those who like excuse and know the truth)
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 不愧是辯論隊冠軍,將我抹黑


Author:
7A monitor
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Date Posted: 06:57:28 06/06/03 Fri
算吧!我們不打算跟不滿意的人逐點反駁
無謂令grad.dinner蒙上污點
(1)一百元將會退回俾你
(2)至於我地係咪只講$,唔拗啦,大家話係就係啦(義工都講$?)
只想講,confirm不到人頭就訂唔到hotel,而之後就我地和hotel
就傾唔到配合的安排和節目,要知道時間已不多
(3)'屈',都係唔拗啦,大家話係就係啦...大圍野話屈就無意思la
7A同學都知點解找我傾la,咁我無錢收,去4次學校開會,3次hotel this week,係咪又俾人屈呢,我唔覺lor...福昇為人群ar ma
(4)無話過一定27號搞.揀26唔係針對任何人,係要配合hotel選擇,志師etc決定.係咪毀約?大家話係就係啦,我無讀過Law,唔識
(5)最後希望大家支持下個謝師宴la,同明白無開過會的人其實所知
不多,唔好太過一刀切我地la.thx
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 好!


Author:
7A wolf
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Date Posted: 10:08:34 06/06/03 Fri
好,班長出到聲,唔拗點唔拗la!

今日同老細講左調假,成功與否要一、二日先知。如果得我一定去! 吳得,SORRY,我想囉返個一百...
另外,我對你或7A並無不滿,只是留言不知你是誰(WONG or CHAN),所以才寫DEAR SIR,我亦寫得好客氣。
只不個朱生篇雄文,我不強硬點回應,何能解我心中對其用文用字之不滿?
[> [> [> Subject: 咁就叫解釋左?


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 12:36:31 06/06/03 Fri
1.活動者要對自己搞的活動負責,唔通我下年搞生日會,deficit又問你收(衣加係搞活動者定話關唔關任何一個人事)
2.90%自願....就算有一個唔係自願都覺咁做唔岩,另外,我只係講果d人,請不要混入自願的同學為一談
3.唔係比人屈的義務工作好偉大,唔等於想點就點,更加唔等於有權屈人,咁不如我搞個植樹日,同晒全校收$$
4.最後,亦是最重要一點,就係搞一個活動係想大家開心,而唔係想要最多既參加者,自由選擇情況下先可以做到呢一點.即係話如果有同學
唔係因為安排問題,只係個人好惡問題而唔去,唔比壓力佢而由佢唔去自係令最多人開心既做法
[> [> Subject: 負責搞Grad Din既同學冇諗住o係度辯論, 更加冇人得閒抹黑其他人!!


Author:
7c Cyrus
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Date Posted: 10:26:33 06/06/03 Fri
我地呢排聯絡左好多間酒店, 全九龍既酒店都比我地聯絡得7788, 原因就係因為前o個排a班話$400太貴, 我地要重新去搵間價錢平d既酒店, 等我地可以減低個成本,我地每搵一間, 就計一次成條數,目的係想minimize個費用,等大家唔使比得咁吃力,而家我地左減右減,減到$330,每人減左$70,加加埋埋就成5千幾蚊!我地重覆計左好多次先至可以做到呢個價錢,事實上成個function既財政都好緊拙,我地都好想收多少少等財政方面可以鬆動d,唔好話收$400,收$350我地都已經好做好多!我地而家收$330,的確係冇鬆動既資金,wolf同學知唔知道我地計條數計得幾辛苦,辛苦唔係因為成日要對住部計數機,而係因為要左度右度,將條數減到最低,仲要承受埋"負資產"既風險,如果wolf同學咩都唔知但又話唔信我地財政緊拙,咁我地仲可以講咩?!

$100係用黎請老師一齊食一餐,當然,一餐飯又點能夠報答老師之恩呢?謝師宴既目的只係希望師生一齊開開心心食餐飯,當係一份心意,亦係一個回憶,如果wolf同學你認為呢個只係個slogan而否定謝師宴既意義,咁我地唔需要再傾,謝師宴方面我地根本冇討論既餘地,就當我地對你唔住,之前阻你咁多寶貴既時間!!

羅同學,正如7A monitor所講,揀26/6係因為酒店o個邊27/6冇期,我地都唔想,我地都知對你唔fair,令到你黎唔到,不過其實揀27/6都有同學唔得閒黎,咁咪又係對佢地唔fair!100個人裡面我地真係好難就到一日係全部人都得閒,同時,仲要考慮埋酒店比我地既期,希望你明白我地既苦處,對於揀左26/6令你黎唔到,抱歉!!

最後,好多謝o個幾位唔去grad din但都肯付出$100黎支持呢個謝師宴既同學,為我地免卻好多麻煩,感激不盡!
[> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
7A wolf
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Date Posted: 11:25:50 06/05/03 Thu
Dear Sir,
I am not blaming you guys'hard work but I really want to share my feeling to YOU.

(1) I know it is the tradition of grad. dinner as I am one of the class representative in F.5. However, I do think that you or Mr. Chu need to told me this tradition on my first payment. If not, what extra unknown tradition will be added? : > Also, the budget plan is really too tight...

(2) I only come as I am available to join the grad. dinner. That why I agree to come on ICQ. What is available? I don't need to work. How can I no need to work? I have a day off. How can I have a day off? I need to fix the day off before this month. So, I AGREE to come ONLY to the grad. dinner on 27/6, Mongkok not on someday, somewhere grad. dinner. Please remember!!! Who make the change of day? Me?

Sir, my feeling is just the same as you when you suddenly received the grad. dinner news from Muscle. However, I am not willing to say anymore about the grad. dinner since all of you are volunteers. I do hope that the grad. dinner will be successful. Please feel free to call me if you find I can help anything on the grad. dinner.
Friends,
Wing
[> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
what's fair?
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Date Posted: 12:51:19 06/05/03 Thu
What you think about fair might not be the same as what Hong's think.
If you can state it clearly, i promise he'll pay for it.

$100 for thanks giving is traditional Chinese people way of thinking.

that's not his way of thanks giving.

but i do think you did great for those who had pay for it.
because that's also a type of fair.
[> [> Subject: What is fair?


Author:
7C同學
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Date Posted: 09:45:15 06/06/03 Fri
幫手搞謝師宴o既同學，係完全冇人工收，但係唔知各位中七o既同學有冇同佢地講一聲「唔該」呢？人地幫你做咁多野，你地唔該一聲都冇，就淨係識得話人地呢度做得唔好，o個度做得唔好，公平嗎？
由我地中一至中七，教過我地o既老師都有幾十個，佢地日日夜夜為左我地而廢寢忘餐，雖然佢地係有人工收，但係收番黎o既人工又可唔可以補番佢地浪費左o既精力呢？而家只不過係叫唔去o既人俾一百蚊，當係請o的老師食餐飯o者，咁又話唔公平，試問咁樣對o的老師又公平嗎？
關心你點解唔去o既人應該係你朋友，關心你俾唔俾一百蚊o既人係搞謝師宴o既負責人，因為呢個係職務所在。而家唔夠錢先至係最嚴重o既問題，可能咁樣係現實左少少，但係形勢所迫，冇計。

以上都係我作為一個旁人o既個人意見。
[> [> [> Subject: Re: What is fair?


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 12:48:48 06/06/03 Fri
1.老師的薪水係高出佢地所應舷,而呢個所謂應得係由市場決定
2.但係都唔等於我叫人唔好感激,啊sir有料又有heart自然你唔叫我都想請佢食飯啦,感激之心是發於自然,感激就感激,唔感就叫唔公平?不如我地搞個多謝下日日同我地掃街既人,寄信既人好唔好?
3.請都要自願嫁下話
4.服務是自願的,謝師宴不是必然的,對唔參加又唔願比既人黎,佢冇受過咩恩惠
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What is fair?


Author:
覺得蔡進步好煩的人
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Date Posted: 14:20:28 06/06/03 Fri
係喎!!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 這是"爛仔交"識的回答


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 14:40:45 06/06/03 Fri
如題
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What is fair?


Author:
覺得蔡進步好煩的人
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Date Posted: 14:22:38 06/06/03 Fri
係喎!!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: What is fair?


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 12:50:09 06/06/03 Fri
1.老師的薪水係高出佢地所應舷,而呢個所謂應得係由市場決定
2.但係都唔等於我叫人唔好感激,啊sir有料又有heart自然你唔叫我都想請佢食飯啦,感激之心是發於自然,感激就感激,唔感就叫唔公平?不如我地搞個多謝下日日同我地掃街既人,寄信既人好唔好?
3.請都要自願嫁下話
4.服務是自願的,謝師宴不是必然的,對唔參加又唔願比既人黎,佢冇受過咩恩惠,就算有既....不如我走講黎同你擦下隻鞋之後收你咁上下既感激,小左我就話唔公平?
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What is fair?


Author:
7 guy
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Date Posted: 01:33:41 06/10/03 Tue
蔡生咁鐘意講自由,咁鍾意用理想既角度去睇呢個世界.咁我想問:
你咁尊師重道,咁你諗住會俾幾錢去請老師?
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What is fair?


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 07:27:09 06/10/03 Tue
一.我不是係師都尊
二.錢既量同尊重程度沒有成正比的必然性.
[> Subject: Re:wolf~


Author:
路人..........
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Date Posted: 10:15:00 06/06/03 Fri
do係$100ja..........
噤do可以講噤long~
Until now, I have not decided join the grad. dinner or not since I may can't change the day of off. If I can't join, why I need to pay $100? 聊表心意? 多謝佢地咁多年來教誨? From F.1 / F.6 to F.7, is it only cost $100? Make it as be a slogan is ok!
reply一下sin la:你噤講,亦係話唔止噤less la,噤now叫你 at least 俾果100ja,你do係到講噤多~你又唔係話俾多d,噤你又有咪知格講野呀~
[> Subject: 請問...................


Author:
Seven 仔
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Date Posted: 11:34:33 06/06/03 Fri
咪嘈埋D無謂野住~
我想問一問Grad Din.果晚會請幾多先生
or有邊D已經肯定左會去ga???
可唔可以話俾我知呀???
[> Subject: To蔡俊浩


Author:
福昇會財務部
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Date Posted: 00:52:06 06/07/03 Sat
請問你去還是不去?
去請盡快交錢,7A仲爭你壓軸一個咁多
[> [> Subject: sorry,我累到ryan交唔到(Re: To蔡俊浩)


Author:
王雲志
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Date Posted: 08:44:43 06/07/03 Sat
本身班長俾左個戶口no.我,順便叫我俾埋蔡俊浩同學點知我俾左個錯既蔡俊浩,
攪到佢想入都入唔到,十分抱歉^^"
[> Subject: Re: 蔡俊浩咪咁煩la


Author:
果少少$
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Date Posted: 08:44:03 06/07/03 Sat
蔡俊浩咪咁煩la, 果少少$.
成日以為自己理直氣壯, 好似係度好偉大咁幫人理論推翻果$100, 挑! 你唔好成日以為咁好威好勁la.
[> [> Subject: Re: 蔡俊浩咪咁煩la


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 11:50:21 06/08/03 Sun
1.我冇追咩$,呢個係指責
2.我都唔認為理論可以追,因為才到光棍手(劫富濟貧都係劫)
3.屈人$1我都會出聲
4.我只是在九濟堂發言,係濟記人都可以講,有咩咁威
5.可唔可以用理性小小既方法去想問題
[> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
笨笨彬
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Date Posted: 11:33:28 06/07/03 Sat
對唔住, 我confirm左旅行日子, 我諗我可以去, 但未俾錢喎~
[> Subject: 大家都圍著指責蔡進步,但係......佢做錯左d咩呢??


Author:
無我
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Date Posted: 10:47:27 06/08/03 Sun
雖然同進步兄之前有d分歧,但係事實歸事實,一開始蔡進步都係抱著一個參加合作既態度,只不過佢好奇問下唔去都要比錢呢個規舉會唔會唔好咁好,有d屈人之嫌ja..............
不過一個一個人誤解佢,以為佢市儈孤寒,進步兄又沉不住氣,結果關係愈搞愈差......之不過大家請循其本,進步兄本有參加之意,只不過因為中間發生少少誤會ja.......
仲有,大家唔好就係留意比幾多錢,唔好因為100蚊咁少少錢而話人煩,由頭到尾,進步兄佢從未講過唔想比或者嫌貴,佢講既只係別人認為市儈固執的原則罷了。就係有唔少人因為話蔡進步為少少錢而煩,所以就係度興波作浪,叫進步兄收聲,更甚的還有人在挑釁.......
哈哈哈........不過堂主亦十分公正(大家覺唔覺少左篇留言).....

不過,我真佩服幾位中七及有為謝師宴付出過心血既師兄,佢地純粹發自於一片敬師既熱心,我在此向你地致敬。希望各位早日冰釋誤會,免得親者痛,仇者快........無我言盡於此......
[> Subject: 你地去飲o個時，人唔到，唔使做人情？


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7bb
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Date Posted: 10:53:55 06/08/03 Sun
如果係，我俾十個勁你。

你即係將紅信封同邀請卡掉落垃圾筒，跟手拿起張餅卡o個o的人o黎啦。

7a wolf，我睇你唔起。
[> [> Subject: 咁不如你唔好讀書,出黎做"結婚人"


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 11:45:01 06/08/03 Sun
比人情都要自願,比人情一唔係為表心意,一唔係就為左巴結...兩者都係自願,如果果個人唔駛巴結,又冇咩心意要表表佢,真係可以唔比的,咁樣另一方面亦表明果個人冇face...我係果個人都只會覺得係自己冇面,叫唔到人地比,而唔會話人地唔比唔岩啦
[> [> [> Subject: 明白


Author:
一個好唔妥你o既人
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Date Posted: 11:54:48 06/08/03 Sun
原來老師o係你心目中係冇face o既.....
[> [> [> [> Subject: 不要斷章取義


Author:
進步
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Date Posted: 11:59:08 06/08/03 Sun
係搞手冇face而唔係老師冇,我之前講過,謝師都唔係一定要用搞手果套的
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 不要斷章取義


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 12:11:31 06/08/03 Sun
補充番,怕你又段章
不是我不比面,而我說的是人有權可以唔比面
[> [> [> Subject: 咁我問你一句，如果你唔得閒去，你俾唔俾先？


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7bb
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Date Posted: 12:12:27 06/08/03 Sun
如果我做你個老師，實行hurt死。

成日拗埋o的無謂野。
唔俾咪直接o的lor，一句話我唔q想俾咪好lor，講到好似有大條道理咁，我最憎係你o的咁o既人。(唔想再扮有風度，做番真我)

其實我覺得謝師宴應由一些不合作的同學負責籌備，咁謝師宴就順利很多。我真替朱同學可憐，呵呵。
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 咁我問你一句，如果你唔得閒去，你俾唔俾先？


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 12:17:56 06/08/03 Sun
1.一早答左:睇下邊個,但係無論邊個都要自願
2.冇啦啦做咩hurt,我唔係話唔比面,而係話有權唔比面
3.點解理科生咁唔理性
4.合作是要雙方自願的,不要一廂情願
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 咁我問你一句，如果你唔得閒去，你俾唔俾先？


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 12:19:10 06/08/03 Sun
5.我都講左,就算謝都唔一定要跟你果個請食飯既方法
[> [> Subject: 人唔到都要人情?


Author:
think
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Date Posted: 12:04:27 06/08/03 Sun
一家四口如果俾$1600人情
個仔如果唔去, 應該俾多少?
[> [> [> Subject: 唔講笑啦=.="


Author:
7bb
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Date Posted: 12:19:07 06/08/03 Sun
你可唔可以諗下係一家人都唔去，要做幾多人情？

這是我的意思。
如果真係唔到，點都要有份禮物代表心意，除非請飲o個個人你勁唔熟。(我諗係掛，唔知wolf 點諗)
[> [> [> [> Subject: 點表心意唔駛你教


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 12:20:48 06/08/03 Sun
我如果唔用$$請食飯行嗎?做張卡行嗎?
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 既然現在大家選擇以請食飯的方式謝師，你做咩要離群？


Author:
7bb
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Date Posted: 13:10:40 06/08/03 Sun
我們絕大部份人都以請食飯這個方式表達心意，你就玩野，玩突出，搏上鏡，搏出位，用第二o的方法表達(eg 寫卡)。

其實，最唔成熟的人是你，你咁做，知唔知為籌備的同學帶來幾多的麻煩，你現在一句話唔俾，他們點算？唔收？那一百元，你貼？我見到他們為這事而煩，佢地真係冇晒mood。好慘。

反觀你呢？只懂在九濟堂講埋o的咁有道理o既野，你的行為簡真係落井下石，我真的看你不起。
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 既然現在大家選擇以請食飯的方式謝師，你做咩要離群？


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 13:28:12 06/08/03 Sun
哈.冠自己以"同一班人"的是你自己,人地當然有權唔同你做一群啦
不如果又納你入我同你加多個人既三人組,之後2票agree叫你去做乜乜乜,唔做你就離群好唔好?
要叫做"一齊",都要人地自願肯認你一齊先得嫁
唔用你既方法叫玩野,自量下啦
你諗下先講啦,搞左個活動財政上有問題就叫其他人貼,人地自願認係一份子就話姐,人地有權唔認你係一份子嫁下話,既然唔認,你地自己搞左個活動梗係自己負責啦
佢地唔可以因為自己有個念頭而全世界配套以下話
同埋...哈哈,我用不著淪落到要你看得起
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 既然現在大家選擇以請食飯的方式謝師，你做咩要離群？


Author:
一個好唔妥你o既人
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Date Posted: 14:06:05 06/08/03 Sun
得喇，你o岩。
你最有性格，你最有自思想，你最有創意，你最有道理，你o個套最掂，你做法最好，你講o既野最有道理。
收嗲啦，OK？
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 冇pt既post


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 15:12:28 06/08/03 Sun
要收嗲既係一d冇point既post
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 既然現在大家選擇以請食飯的方式謝師，你做咩要離群？


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7bb
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Date Posted: 01:25:34 06/09/03 Mon
>得喇，你o岩。
>你最有性格，你最有自思想，你最有創意，你最有道理，你o個
>套最掂，你做法最好，你講o既野最有道理。
>收嗲啦，OK？

I love u!!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 我地目的係form 7 一起吃下飯，你就o係度搞分化！


Author:
7bb
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Date Posted: 01:43:07 06/09/03 Mon
>哈.冠自己以"同一班人"的是你自己,人地當然有權唔同你做一?>s啦
>不如果又納你入我同你加多個人既三人組,之後2票agree叫你去
>做乜乜乜,唔做你就離群好唔好?

你係要搞到我地唔一齊，各有各搞你先高興？
如果係，我 凸=.=凸
我本來好欣賞你這個su 主席，仲投左你一票，現在後悔萬分！
我再一次睇你唔起！
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 我地目的係form 7 一起吃下飯，你就o係度搞分化！


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 11:17:47 06/09/03 Mon
我冇叫人唔參加,只係想保持唔參加的人的權力,兩件完全唔同的事
[> Subject: 點解你地可以拗咁耐？


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過客
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Date Posted: 13:56:36 06/08/03 Sun
對參加者說：
要去的便去，不去的便不去，finished。
如已決定去，又提出多多討論，只是在浪費時間。
如已決定不去，但又提出多多討論，只是旨在節外生枝。
對搞手說：
要交代的都已交代清楚，便著手去行動吧，在此作無謂的糾纏於事無補。
如財政有問題，向老師請教解決辦法吧。凡用錢可以解決的問題，都不是大問題。
但錢絕不可以買到七年的同窗之誼啊！
[> [> Subject: 有個問題


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7C3
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Date Posted: 14:11:51 06/08/03 Sun
如果搞手已交代清楚所交代的事，但已決定不去的參加者又不甚認同搞手的決定，該怎麼辦？
[> [> Subject: Re: 點解你地可以拗咁耐？


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7B5 朱世洛
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Date Posted: 14:32:13 06/08/03 Sun
>對搞手說：
>要交代的都已交代清楚，便著手去行動吧，在此作無謂的糾纏?>顙けL補。

搞手們並無作任何糾纏，請你搞清楚，唔知唔好亂講
搞手有：7A monitor、7c Cyrus、我，係咁多，還有一些幫手的同學，不過沒有在此留言

>如財政有問題，向老師請教解決辦法吧。凡用錢可以解決的問?>D，都不是大問題。

多謝關心，這個我們自己會解決

>但錢絕不可以買到七年的同窗之誼啊！
贊成！否則唔使三班一切搞謝師宴，而且盡量滿足大家的要求

至於事實，7A monitor、7c Cyrus、我的post內已講了，現在加多樣，就係100% 26/6(thu)，因為已經book了場，俾了訂
既然決定三班一切搞，就冇諗住搞分裂，搞敵對，搞小圈子，0個$100，7A monitor已經講得好清楚我地的安排

我地一路都冇再留言，係因為我地相信確確實實地搞一個Grad. Din.出來，比拗贏任何一個更有意義，來還是不來，決定權在你手，我唔會求你來或者唔來，我只會向你提供事實，你問乜詳情我就答你乜，拗來拗去三幅被，為乜？

而家係訂programme之際，亦係用人之時，我們希望各位有一技之長可以表演於人前的，都同你個班的負責同學聯絡，酬勞係無言感激

你們的爭辯係時候畫個句號，唔好再係度煮無米粥，失禮於人前，都F.7咁大個，係要失禮於各師兄弟面前先至安樂、先至開心？

我唔理你為真理定為某位同學好，你地咁鍾意拗就自己開個post拗，呢個post的原意已經完成，唔好搞到今次Grad. Din.咁政治化，咁有火藥味，咁多時間、咁多idea就應該幫下手搞programme，而唔係0係度作意氣之爭

收工啦！各中七同學
[> [> [> Subject: 古箏新手


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 15:20:02 06/08/03 Sun
學左古箏半年多d,不過一d耳熟既小曲都彈到,而古箏都算可攜帶樂器,要表演定programme的話,搞手們覺岩使我可以落場表演,不過我因為要番工,應該冇時間同其他中樂手夾歌,只可以solo
[> [> Subject: 識咁諗就好啦


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 15:09:48 06/08/03 Sun
1.梗係自己決定啦,都唔明你地點解死執住要人跟,比人自願咁簡單既野都可以拗咁內都撐
2.我唔係唔支持,而係話人地有權唔支持姐
[> [> [> Subject: 明白喇


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一個好唔妥你o既人
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Date Posted: 04:55:08 06/09/03 Mon
係咯，個個自願咪好囉。A班甲某唔去，自願俾一百，乙某唔去自願俾五十，丙某唔去自願俾二十四個五毫半，丁某唔去就唔俾，咁你話搞手有幾好做丫。
呢個世界做乜野仲要有o的所謂習俗丫，人人自願咪得囉。請飲人情公價五百？多如！你唔鍾意俾可以兩手空空去飲丫嘛。人地請你全家去飲喜酒，唔得閒去都要禮到人不到？多如！當冇收過張貼咪得囉，洗乜講咁多禮儀丫。總之一切皆自願，習俗是多如。
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 明白喇


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7A人
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Date Posted: 08:01:59 06/09/03 Mon
搞謝師宴梗係食飯la,唔通聽蔡生鳩U呀?你咁不滿講聲唔去,我撐番
你轉頭
下年grad din話唔埋老師夾番自己鶗顩im ar,自願丫麻
自願好丫,容乜易D搞手有錢剩益左佢地呀,進步兄
據我所知,the difference between 100 & 330,230 is only for
ur own dinner's fees,so who have paid 330己計埋100ga la
咁唔想俾問佢地拿番丫,自願
如果你唔係搞搞下閃左去,我就真係自願唔去la
lastly,請你收斂下啦,你在7A都無乜朋友ga la,而家全校都知7A的人
好需要人權,唔迫得,好講道理,好自願呀
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 埻縪銘й鉼〃蕙朠佽刳瑲ㄛ扂form 7 埱銘磐腔ㄐ


Author:
7bb 疑覜
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Date Posted: 08:56:39 06/09/03 Mon
7a芄牯繹雺x珴斕琌堤岈ㄐ

埻縪v縪v扒So珨伅±刳瑲ㄛK祥測桶城7a腔砩ㄛ蚕螹善帣
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 埻縪銘й鉼〃蕙朠佽刳瑲ㄛ扂form 7 埱銘磐腔ㄐ


Author:
7bb 疑覜
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Date Posted: 08:57:07 06/09/03 Mon
扂
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 原來只是一小部份人個人意見，我們form 7 仍然?結！


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7bb 好感動
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Date Posted: 09:01:27 06/09/03 Mon
7a 人，好多謝你講出事實！

原來講來講去都係o個一兩丁友既個人意見，並不代表全7a 的意見，由頭到尾，只是有人想搞分化，弄壞我們的謝師宴而已。

蔡生，你看看？你的意見幾多人唔妥你(甚至你的classmate)，等你仲以為自己好有道理。

唉，我仲以為你代表晒全7a的意見，我仲好擔心謝師宴就咁玩完，原來只係蔡生o係度口up up。
我之前誤會7a班不合作，真係唔好意思。

最後，我希望謝師宴係一個好好玩的function，全部人都好似蔡生咁自願參加。
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 非不得已...


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 19:24:17 06/09/03 Mon
1.講黎講去有野又唔正面答,
i.去飲比人情比多d得唔得?得
ii.係唔係要請你去既你都要比500?不是
咁既比人請模式重唔叫自願?
2.i.你沒有氣量接受不同意見的朋友,7a重有好多人有的,唔好又屈佢地
ii.你以為你係邊個,你撐我?
3.講咩330,220,100做咩姐,我冇話你果舊$邊舊係用黎食飯,邊舊用黎請wor,我只係話,d$點洗係同學既事,唔好扮官方指定收人$$而已
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 大家要對事唔對人


Author:
王雲志
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Date Posted: 21:24:18 06/09/03 Mon
越磨越薑,只係大家意見分歧,基於強烈既"謝c係應該的"的觀念,似乎唔去都要交100蚊係好合理既事,呢個只係一個social norm,如果用群眾壓力去令唔謝c的人交果100蚊,咁只係拳頭大,而唔係有道理,
蔡兄只係話:如果真係有個唔謝老師的人,大家冇理由逼佢交錢姐...
佢冇我地應該唔謝c,或者唔去謝c宴既意思,更冇對任何人攪針對,
意見不合姐,都不至於要人身攻擊,有失風度嘛

社會上有好多規範我地諗都未諗就接受左的,唔係我攪攪震,好似謝c咁,唔一定用宴
的,陪阿sir行山一樣得,所以唔好諗得謝c宴太理所當然......
呢個只係一個例子,生活上仲有好多好多其他細節值得反思...
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 大家要對事唔對人


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 07:33:40 06/10/03 Tue
志,他們要的不是一篇理論,只要你說,"我撐你啊進步"佢地既世界就叫做岩的了

為什麼要比多百元,你地既原因,只可以成為一句安慰說話
如果你一開始話,因為行政不便,我都唔公平咁收你一百蚊,然後再般出你地既安慰就ok既,但係總不能就此成為解釋
7guy之前話我理想化,起碼都證明佢都此認為理想上係咁,只不過問題係佢地本身就覺呢個不公平係理所當然的
[> [> [> [> Subject: 你有本事咪..


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 11:26:52 06/09/03 Mon
唔該你地啦,有本事就從番我講既野反駁啦,朋友我多的是,你不用關心,我更不會為左巴結而講d好聽既說話,公價人情唔駛自願咩,淨係用d咁唔理性既說話,你到衣加都覺呢d野都有得逼就真係...我都費究講,你咪多d搵你d朋友,利用別人應同而證明你講既野,避開所有正面回答羅,有事做人又唔好睇到冇左你做朋友好慘咁....
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 你有本事咪..


Author:
一個好唔妥你o既人
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Date Posted: 05:46:49 06/10/03 Tue
「避開所有正面回答」都係o係你度學番黎咋。
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 我一早答晒


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 07:15:58 06/10/03 Tue
我話你地所講既麻唔麻煩到,都係想搞的人既責任,就係答左麻煩到都要麻煩啦
如果tuck shop賣野,個個同學都每月過數,劃一收費,劃一賣野,佢地都小好多麻煩,問題係 人 要 為 自 已 既 行 為 負 責,搞得既,就唔好要拉埋唔參與既落水, 自己要搞既決定 ,唔可以決定埋冇諗果搞既人既行為既....呢個我講左好多次
反觀你地,講野方法同爛仔有咩分別
[> Subject: Re: 唔好駁了


Author:
手非長
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Date Posted: 22:26:38 06/09/03 Mon
師弟們,誰對誰錯也好,唔好再駁了.顧全大局,以免影響謝師宴和氣啦.唔係整到到時食飯都面阻阻就唔好啦.

再嘈分分鐘搞到f.5班友又嘈埋一份.第時f.5唔去謝師宴都唔俾百幾,校方就煩了.
[> [> Subject: 對


Author:
7bb
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Date Posted: 23:59:53 06/09/03 Mon
我們都知道蔡生是一個要拗贏才感到自豪的人。
在他眾多"朋友"的口中，他們應對的方法就是「係喎，你o岩晒，我地錯，你最有道理」。
我諗我都係還是收手，因為根本冇人能說服"不給一百元是自私，不公平，麻煩到別人" 這道理給他聽。

最後的話：
你成日要我們照顧你的一小部份人，但你真的有否想過我們大部份人嗎？你唔去就有權唔俾一百，咁我去的人夠可以話︰「我只給自己的，我只俾$220，我只去吃飯，我寫卡俾老師來表心意。」
結果呢？咪又要迫其他"自願"同學用多o的錢！公平o的，成熟o的啦你！
[> [> [> Subject: 哈


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 07:23:17 06/10/03 Tue
一班自願既同學,因為佢地自已選擇既飲宴地方,活動,邀請人數而要比多d,係抵佢地要比多d,因為佢佢地搞既,現時社會就叫公平
你都好意思講"道理"2字,爛仔交既回應就做道理,我就變左好似以為自己好有道理
今次如果我只係打一句粗口,加一句"我覺得好唔公平"而唔講道理,你地都唔會咁大反應,就係因為我講道理,先搞到咁
重有,"拗"係兩個人以上既事,一個人係唔成事的,所以任何有拗的人指責"拗"呢樣野,都係指責自己,除非自己本身冇介入主題既討論而只指責 我 地 "拗"啦
[> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
笨笨彬
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Date Posted: 08:27:57 06/11/03 Wed
其實我覺得蔡進步講得o岩喎~ 唔明點解可以嘈咁耐? 可能我蠢掛~
我去謝師宴係因為我願意接受這次的遊戲規則姐, 唔代表搞得無問題喎~
[> [> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
彬仔, 你好
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Date Posted: 08:50:38 06/11/03 Wed
相信他的話會得到別人認同的, 因為他說的是道理.
至於Grad. din攪手, 我只能衷心多謝他們.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
笨笨彬
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Date Posted: 08:31:32 06/12/03 Thu
>相信他的話會得到別人認同的, 因為他說的是道理.
>至於Grad. din攪手, 我只能衷心多謝他們.
我同意呀~ 我都要多謝他們啊!! 畢竟佢地幫我地搞左咁多野~

係喎~ 你係邊位??
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
我係文仔呀
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Date Posted: 10:40:15 06/12/03 Thu
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Grad.dinner(to all 7A classmates)


Author:
笨笨彬
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Date Posted: 12:22:47 06/12/03 Thu
文仔? Woman?
[> Subject: Mr. Choi Chun Ho is right!


Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 00:25:53 06/13/03 Fri
I read all the messages and completely support Mr. Choi. He has good reason, while some people such as 7bb is like a dirty guy saying words like 你就玩野，玩突出，搏上鏡，搏出位 and gives no reason at all!!!!!!!!

Everyone has freedom to choose to do or not to do something and how to do it. Don't follow tradition if it does not contain reason. Be a logical man!!!!
[> [> Subject: Re: Mr.Summer is sucks


Author:
daddy
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Date Posted: 00:33:12 06/13/03 Fri
shut the F**K up, you idiot
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Mr.Summer is sucks


Author:
又一個無理的人
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Date Posted: 02:05:35 06/13/03 Fri
>shut the F**K up, you idiot

plx be gentle if you are our student
[> [> Subject: Re: What's wrong with Summer's logic


Author:
Perhaps
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Date Posted: 02:35:33 06/13/03 Fri
When Summer says, "Don't follow tradition if it does not contain reason." Letting alone the question of whether 'tradition' contains 'reasons' or not, Summer is at best telling the partial truth, and partial truth is usually misleading! Yes, bad tradition should be abolished, but good tradition should be preserved. Grad. Dinner is good tradition, as it is widely chosen by most graduates in most schools.

“Everyone has freedom to choose to do or not to do something and how to do it."
That statement is not universal truth. For instance, you have no freedom/right to choose idling all you life, relying on social welfare assistance. In the context of the Grad. dinner, the statement does not imply that 90 students should choose 90 different ways to express their gratitude to teachers. Mr Summer should learn something about public choice in the study of political science at elementary level. We are living in a community of many individuals. The rule of majority is so far a generally accepted principle to resolve problems of social choice.

Summer again says,"Be a logical man!" But logic is not everything. Mr Summer, do you place any value on virtues such as consideration, friendship, cooperation, and sacrifice?
[> [> [> Subject: not 4 grad din argu ,but 4 political science


Author:
逍遙子進步
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Date Posted: 14:55:38 06/13/03 Fri
政治科學中,學者認為"有多數中產的社會"才會是一個適合政府生存的社會
反過來說,一個人民沒有資產的地方,政府會有很大的麻煩
為什麼?
因為,政府出現的最初原因,是有一班有財產的人,擔心生命財產受威脅,就互相做一個協議,形成政府,故政府亦是大部份人的意願
另外,政府講求的是legitimacy(認受性),即是說政府本沒有其自身的必然,而是眾多獨立個體做成獨立決定的合成物
對於不認受的人民,有資產者為了保障自身一伙的生命財產,在不能說服所有人認受之下,就要用武力所為最後的backup
所以,世界有至少3種人,1.承認政府的人 2.不承認而uprise的人
3.不承認,但礙於武力,在自身勢弱,防止危險的利害衡量下而接受,就如人做任何決定時以利害作衡量一樣
[> [> Subject: 自相矛盾


Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 07:33:00 06/14/03 Sat
'Don't follow tradition if it does not contain reason.'???
What have you said? Did you remeber? You said that 'everyone has freedom to choose to do or not to do something and how to do it.' Then can somebody choose to follow tradition if it does not contain reasons?
[> [> [> Subject: You are 自相矛盾


Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 11:10:16 06/14/03 Sat
>Then can somebody choose
>to follow tradition if it does not contain reasons?

Of course yes la, you are one example. But it doesn't mean others have to follow you. Everyone has freedom. Do you see?
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You are 自相矛盾


Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 05:02:47 06/15/03 Sun
Hey! I am one example? Again, you do not state out any reasons. You make me disappointed, I think you will say everything with reasons, but now......

好喇，等我地再睇下你講o既一句：'Don't follow tradition if it does not contain reason.' 你用左'Don't'作為開頭，我感覺到有o的命令o既意思。但係你o個頭又話人人有自由做佢地自己鍾意做o既野，呢頭又「命令」人地唔好「無理地跟風」。
[> Subject: 為何你地唔約出黎三口六面講清楚呢.......


Author:
無我
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Date Posted: 02:55:29 06/13/03 Fri
我都唔係好明你地由始至終究竟有過d咩建樹呢,你地由為真理相爭已經變成了意氣之爭,咁又何苦呢?各位中七既師兄,你地係濟記最大既一班人,如果你地都唔團結,我地又如何團結呢,更何況你地既對話之所以變成罵戰,全因有d人故意係度興波作浪,你地點可以甘於被人利用呢??.............難聽d講句,你地好似係度做緊場鬧劇........
[> [> Subject: 原因係.......


Author:
7C3
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Date Posted: 07:35:59 06/14/03 Sat
約倒出黎至得嫁。
本來有o的人就應承左幫手，但係但端端o個o的人又搵倒工做，周身都唔得閒，都幾難搵倒個時間大家都得閒。

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