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Date Posted: 15:08:50 05/13/08 Tue
Author: Cathy
Subject: Blair, Todd, Starr, Cole, Langston, Markko, Dorian, all WRONG
I think it's important for everyone involved in this mess to take responsibility for it. To blame it all on Todd is just ridiculous. All were wrong in the way they behaved.
Todd: wrong to overreact, take violent means to solve problems, beat up on minors, make threats, lock daughter in a prison, etc.
Blair: wrong to underreact, act like unprotected teen sex is no big deal and "cool", describe the acts of impulsive teens as "making love", and blame everything on Todd without a thought towards her daughter and the decisions she made.
Starr: wrong to not even THINK about using protection, so unlike her character to be so utterly dumb, especially in this day and age when condoms are available at every corner store, unbelievable that she didn't realize all the risks of unprotected sex
Cole: although dumb and oblivious, still presented as embarassingly clueless in not realizing that one can get pregnant the first time one has sex. Is there a teenager in this COUNTRY who doesn't realize that in this day and age? If so, I think Cole is the only one. What a dumbass he seems to be. Almost retarded in 2008.
Dorian: how brainless she seems in saying things like, "Starr's biggest crime was falling in love." GMAFB. Is Dorian serious? How can she be so sensible with Langston and so brainless with Starr? Dorian relieved that Langston is not pregnant and casual that Starr (her niece) IS?? What is wrong with this woman?
Langston: Some best friend. If she was a real friend, she would have encouaged Starr to come clean with an adult she trusted. Dorian, her mother, Viki, ANYONE. Langston did Starr more harm than good, and she should have realized it.
Markko: Some best friend. If he was a real friend, he would have encouraged Cole to pursue another outcome. There were other options, and Markko could have made Cole see them. But he didn't even try. His solution was to make Langston look guilty. Nice job.
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Again, I do not get the outrage with Blair knowing she has NEVER said, acted, or has given the impression that unprotected sex is no big deal and cool. Its just so frustrating to see all the Blair anger knowing I think she is the only one who is coming off as sympathetic in this whole teen mess. Whatever. I am moving on from this topic. -- lucy, 15:26:03 05/13/08 Tue
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Given the circumstances, Blair should have sat down with her daughter and had a talk about being sexually active. She should have taken her to the doctor and gotten her birth control pills. Whether or not she believes that Starr did NOT have sex with her boyfriend she could easily see that Starr INTENDED to and she didn't do anything about it but coddle Starr and stick her head in the sand. She could just as easily have tried to talk Todd down from his insane place while still being realistic to and about her daughter. -- Dandesun, 05:02:51 05/14/08 Wed
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I know I said I was moving on, but I just wanted to say one last time, I agree that Blair messed up because her main concern at the time was keeping the peace between Starr&Toss instead of being there for Starr. However, Blair has admitted that she messed up, and she even said she will no longer have her head in the sand, and her actions show that she means it. Blair can not change that she was a lousy mom for the last few months, but she admitted it to, and the kids are back to being her number #1 priority. I am proud of Blair. OK now I am done for real....lol -- lucy, 05:55:15 05/14/08 Wed
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I agree that she should have sat down with Starr and talked about protecting herself, probably when she was about 12, then followed thru with constant nagging. That's what I did. LOL, but talking Todd down from that kind of nuts? Not possible. -- OTWB, 05:10:20 05/18/08 Sun
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the pills, definitely pills and condoms too! Its not just pregnancy that they need to think about. Sam and Heather thought I was a woman obsessed. I probably was, but I don't regret it a bit. -- OTWB, 05:12:41 05/18/08 Sun
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ICAM, Cathy. All are wrong & all must accept responsibility. This situation & aftermath has resulted because of ALL their actions & behavior. No one person is to blame. Blair's main concern here extends beyond family peacemaker (Click)..... -- LH, 11:30:39 05/15/08 Thu
Unfortunately, Blair has been more concerned with remaining Starr's friend than stepping up as her mother!!!! When the ish hit the fan with S&C, Todd put his friendship with his daughter on the backburner & decided to step up as Starr's father. Blair should be doing the same!!
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Wow. Are you serious, LH? You think Blair should be as psycho as Toss in regards to Starr?! Toss is insane right now. Blair is only one operating with a full deck. Blair is not being Starr's friend, she is being her mother knowing she has not been a mother to Starr for the last two months. However, she is being a mother to her now. Whereas, Toss is still crazy with his delusions. Insanity does not make a responsible parent. -- lucy, 12:26:35 05/15/08 Thu
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You know, friend and mom is a delicate balance but when they're 16, its kinda necessary. You wanna be all scorched earth and crazy? Hold your breath until your 16 year old comes to you with anything controversial. I guess, you can always go thru their room when they're not around, check their cell phone numbers and let your imagination run wild, but its not productive. -- OTWB, 16:18:03 05/17/08 Sat
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I think Blair is, and will accept responsibility. Right now she has to focus on finding Starr and getting to the bottom of it all. That's taking responsibility. Todd on the other hand, has yet to accept any and it still dellusional. I get his anger but it's way over the top and unreasonable. Everyone has made mistakes, yes, but he's the only one out of touch with reality. -- San, 06:43:00 05/18/08 Sun
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I agree that Todd is out of touch with reality. Although I think Sole is also out of touch with reality. I guess they get a pass because they're teens and I understand that. I think Todd really wants to control his anger, but doesn't know how. His strong emotions for his little girl (the one who literally saved his life) are ruling him right now. Unfortunately, it looks like it will lead to tragedy for everyone and spark off the same ole storyline cycle for Todd and Blair. And I was so hoping for something different this time. -- Cathy, 06:57:07 05/18/08 Sun
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They're not getting a pass. No way is a 16 year old girl giving birth to a baby a "pass". Whether she chooses to abort, put the baby up for adoption or raise it herself, it is a lifechanging experience and a lot for a 16 year old to handle. That old adage, "old enough to have sex, old enough to have a baby," really doesn't cut it. She's still 16, a kid herself. -- otwb, 13:40:46 05/18/08 Sun
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I meant they get a pass for being out of touch with reality (oh Cole, maybe the baby will have your eyes! Oh Starr, let's buy a stuffed frog for our baby to play with while you're on maternity leave from The Crab House!) -- Cathy, 13:53:53 05/18/08 Sun
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Just wanted to add that SO FAR (hope this changes) the show seems to be cutting Sole a "pass." They're being presented as innocent victims. And the truth is, they're not. They started all this and their choices were at LEAST as stupid as Todd's were. -- Cathy, 13:56:33 05/18/08 Sun
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I couldn't care less about Coal. Pffft.... really. He's not pregnant, he's going to go back to Buchie acres and do whatever. Todd's beat the crap out of him a couple of times, short of murdering him in the street that's all Todd's really allowed to do to him. UNFORUNATELY, there are laws against stringing him up, which would be my choice. The guys usually do get a free pass, maybe that should be the object lesson in this. -- otwb, 14:15:26 05/18/08 Sun
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I wish there was some kind of lesson in this story besides "placate your teen daughter at every turn or else you'll be sorry." -- Cathy, 14:27:32 05/18/08 Sun
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I don't think she should be placated, but I do think she should be safe. Otherwise, Blair should put her foot down with her and remind her every day of the week what she did and why she's in this situation while her friends are out having fun being teenagers with no responsibilities. -- OTWB, 16:07:23 05/18/08 Sun
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I would be more satisfied if Blair stopped acting like teen sex was "making love" and not a big deal. -- Cathy, 16:48:36 05/18/08 Sun
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Todd and Starr should never, ever, ever, be held to the same standards. Todd has two decades on Starr and god knows what he was doing when he was her age. No doubt taking good notes from Peter Manning on how to beat on kids and act like he is well within his rights. -- sluva, 14:27:48 05/18/08 Sun
I guess I am of the opinion that 16 year olds are suppose to be stupid impulsive and some what idealistic. {I was..everyone I know.. was} I am also of the opinion they didn't start anything. They had sex[unprotected] Which as of this moment none of the parents know about. This could have been handled in a manner that would not have had everyone in that house paying the price. Instead it was handled by the chronically stupid Todd with Blair playing the blind referee. Since her parents were once that age one would think they would think back to when they were teenagers and deal with what happened with some modicum of humanity and familiarity.... rather Todd acts like the second coming of Caligula and Blair staring as the ambiguous umpire. Adults are suppose to be there to help and guild and nurture not abuse then look around for absolution. Or worse yet imo look around to share the blame of wrong doing with the very kids they are suppose to be taking care of.
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I'm good with THAT. The only upside of Blair right now, is she's not dangerous to Starr. She's being an idiot with the, "oh they're in love," garbage. Sixteen year olds are not "in love". Todd was very right about that. Bouncing hormones, with a big bite. -- OTWB, 16:10:22 05/18/08 Sun
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Sure thing.. I think Blair would rather think they are in love and had sex because of that than have it be something so mundane as they had sex simply because they were horny toads. If that were the case they would have done it ages ago...without the fear of Hawaii looming on the horizon I guess. -- sluva, 17:16:36 05/18/08 Sun
Sixteen year old don't know jack about nuthin. They think they know but they don't have a flippin clue.
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Todd is a grown up, if he really wants to control his anger, he'll get the help he so desperately needs. It sounds to me like it might be forced on him and that's fine with me. If he doesn't, then its his choice. Regardless, there is no way I'd want my child to carry a baby in a home with an angry, abusive father. Its too much and it is wrong. Its not about free passes, IMHO. -- OTWB, 13:49:03 05/18/08 Sun
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Todd step up to something alright... but is wasn't being a father. He stepped up his stupidity his arrogance ego maniacal insular thinking and his stupidity {he is very, very stupid} Starr is a 16yo impulsive girl... Todd Manning is a 16yo is also impulsive girl..except his 40 and 40 year old should know you don't 'start' being a father when your kid decided you are not the end all be all anymore. -- sluva, 12:11:13 05/18/08 Sun
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just to clear up any confusion... I said Todd is a 16 year old implusive girl..in a 40 year old man body.. -- sluva (I'm thinking...Hatred!), 12:17:27 05/18/08 Sun
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