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Tom
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Date Posted: 01:31:37 09/24/05 Sat
In reply to:
Paul
's message, "Re: BTW" on 02:28:40 09/22/05 Thu
>We're talking about science, not assumptions.
But evolution is assumption, because it cannot and will never be proven. Scientists support it (as well as our federal government) but science itself does not.
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>>We have the capability to believe in our creator.
>And deceive ourselfs..
..and subsequently suffer an eternal damnation for choosing to accept God's word as hogwash.
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>Nope, every single living thing on earth is genetically related.
That says nothing about evolution. Have you ever really studied genetics? Do you honestly believe life was not designed?
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>>The most popular scientific view may reject the
>>literal account of Genesis, but that doesn't make it
>>correct.
>Well no, the evidence is the main factor.
I see no conclusive evidence that the literal account of Genesis is not true. No one can prove it is true, but no one can prove it isn't. Therefore we're back to the origin of the earth being a matter of belief. I believe it was created by God. Others choose to believe it was crea... er... I mean, just happened to form... er... I mean, always was, or came from... er, exploded from a... oh I give up.
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>You have to understand science doesn't allow for these
>guessing games you're playing. This is about science,
>not baseless claims.
I understand what you're saying. But science needs to prove something to me, or at least provide highly-irrefutable evidence, before I can start believing in it. Until then, it's just a theory, and it requires faith. Just because a theory is taught as "science" does not mean it IS science.
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>Many people who reject god are more responsible and
>logical, they aren't off blaming invisible beings for
>bad things that happen.
Those who know God understand that the penalty for sin is living in a cursed world wracked by suffering and death. Some people turn to God for support in times of crisis. Others turn to the bottle, drugs, or perhaps suicide. What's so logical about that?
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>>Instead of allowing
>>their hearts to open toward the word of God, they
>>prematurely, flat-out reject it as myth. Then they
>>come up with ignorant excuses to justify their choice.
>You're peddling the same story, this isn't about whos
>ignorant, its about your opinion and those who don't
>agree with you.
This isn't just my opinion. I've lived the life. I've personally experienced it, and I know so many others that still do. Now that my eyes have been opened, I see how God talks about the willful ignorance of such people, and I am so thankful that I am no longer one of them.
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>Yes truth, I've seen just how much your sky pixie has
>truth.
No, you haven't seen. Believe me, if you did, we'd be on the same page... a testimony to the power of the Holy Spirit. You're where I was two years ago. I pray that you will open your heart to the Lord and let Him open your eyes. You can keep on rejecting his knock at your door, or you can give him the opportunity to come into your life.
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>People will say the most ignorant things for god.
Almost as ignorant as "My ancestors were chimpanzees because my school text book says so!"
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>Now your grasping at straws. Its obvious whos blind
>when creationism can't even support itself, and yet
>you come up with empty claims that it refutes
>evolution. You're blowing hot air.
Creationsim supports itself just fine, and has plenty of evidence against evolution. In fact one of creationism's most powerful teaching tools is all the evidence that evolution does NOT have. When weighed, the favor certainly lies in creation's corner. The only reason it doesnt seem that way is because so many people outwardly and passionately reject God. There's ignorance in large numbers. The ACLU is proof of that. ;)
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>I'm sure it would do alot, evidence tends to show
>whether something is real or not.
If you restrict your mind to requiring physical evidence to prove the existence of everything, that's great, except you'll have some major trouble finding God. Creationism does wonders to get people to think about their origins, but God Himself says that eternal life requires faith in Jesus. Faith comes from believing without seeing. What makes you think you're so incapable of doing that?
I can't remember if this comes from the bible or not, but it's the saying that in order to get to heaven, one must find faith like that of a child. You know how children will believe almost anything you tell them, right? Such as Santa Claus? That's because they are young and their minds are far more open than closed. When they choose to believe in Santa Claus, there's no stopping them!
Now let me stop you before you make a sideways comment about how only gullible and uninformed people come to faith in God. That's not what this is about. My point is that faith is all about believing in something that does not stimulate any of your five physical senses. It's no problem for a child, but seemingly unnatural for an adult.
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>>I cannot believe how constrictive
>>I was to my intelligence when I believed in evolution.
>Thats the difference, I've studied evolution.
I studied both creationism and other theories of origin before giving my life to the Lord. I now have a solid foundation of knowledge that I never had before, but in my spare time, I try to keep up with what evolutionists are spouting.
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>I've heard the same story, come up with something new.
Sorry, God isn't about to change His word for you because you find it redundant.
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>Saved from logic and a rational mind. Nice job of
>turning what was a scientific post into a rant for god.
I'm still the same person I always was; I still love science. I'm just careful not to blindly accept as irrefutable science any theories that are hanging by loose threads, and I encourage others to do the same.
Creation cannot be proven, but when studied with other theories, it becomes sensible. When creation is studied with the bible, it becomes rational. And when you accept Jesus into your life, it becomes real. You'll probably never experience that unless you muster up enough faith to ask Jesus to come into your life, forgive you of your sins, and lead you to knowledge. I pray you'll have a change of heart and let Jesus in. It's so easy NOT to do that, because it seems so rediculously out of the question. Believe me, I know. Been there; done that.
Tom
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