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Date Posted: 03:18:26 09/24/05 Sat
In reply to:
Tom
's message, "Re: BTW" on 01:31:37 09/24/05 Sat
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>>We're talking about science, not assumptions.
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>But evolution is assumption, because it cannot and
>will never be proven. Scientists support it (as well
>as our federal government) but science itself does not.
Too late, it already has been proven. Its a scientific theory, a theory that is testable.
Best if you left out your assumptions.
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>>>We have the capability to believe in our creator.
>>And deceive ourselfs..
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>..and subsequently suffer an eternal damnation for
>choosing to accept God's word as hogwash.
You mean the quran? You haven't accepted it either.
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>>Nope, every single living thing on earth is
>genetically related.
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>That says nothing about evolution.
That says a lot, what don't you understand about genetics?
You do know what genetically related means right?
>Do you honestly believe life
>was not designed?
No evidence for it, it could've been but as I stated before this is science not assumptions.
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>>>The most popular scientific view may reject the
>>>literal account of Genesis, but that doesn't make it
>>>correct.
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>>Well no, the evidence is the main factor.
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>I see no conclusive evidence that the literal account
>of Genesis is not true. No one can prove it is true,
>but no one can prove it isn't.
No one can prove the easter bunny doesn't exist, no one needs to disprove it.
>Therefore we're back
>to the origin of the earth being a matter of belief.
Or in science look at the evidence you do have.
>I believe it was created by God. Others choose to
>believe it was crea... er... I mean, just happened to
>form... er... I mean, always was, or came from... er,
>exploded from a... oh I give up.
God is a convenient answer, if you can't figure something out, goddidit. But then thats not a solid answer, its more smoke and mirrors.
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>>You have to understand science doesn't allow for these
>>guessing games you're playing. This is about science,
>>not baseless claims.
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>I understand what you're saying. But science needs to
>prove something to me, or at least provide
>highly-irrefutable evidence, before I can start
>believing in it.
You aren't the scientific method, evolution already has satisfied the requirements.
>Until then, it's just a theory, and
>it requires faith.
Its a scientific theory, and requires no more faith than that of gravity, gravtiy has holes in it but very few people have a problem with it. Just because its conflicts with your faith doesn't mean you can redefine words, or science terms.
>Just because a theory is taught as
>"science" does not mean it IS science.
Science teaches scientific theories among other things.
You're correct, if its just a theory its not science.
>Some people turn to God for support in times
>of crisis. Others turn to the bottle, drugs, or
>perhaps suicide. What's so logical about that?
Neither is logical, in both examples its a crutch.
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>>>Instead of allowing
>>>their hearts to open toward the word of God, they
>>>prematurely, flat-out reject it as myth. Then they
>>>come up with ignorant excuses to justify their
>choice.
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>>You're peddling the same story, this isn't about whos
>>ignorant, its about your opinion and those who don't
>>agree with you.
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>This isn't just my opinion. I've lived the life.
>I've personally experienced it, and I know so many
>others that still do. Now that my eyes have been
>opened, I see how God talks about the willful
>ignorance of such people, and I am so thankful that I
>am no longer one of them.
Any excuse will do to continue ranting the samething.
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>>Yes truth, I've seen just how much your sky pixie has
>>truth.
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>No, you haven't seen. Believe me, if you did, we'd be
>on the same page... a testimony to the power of the
>Holy Spirit.
Please, get over yourself. Don't pretend that you're now psychic, as its quite obvious you're not.
>You're where I was two years ago. I
>pray that you will open your heart to the Lord and let
>Him open your eyes.
When my heart was open to the lord my eyes was closed, I opened my own eyes and the lord was just wishful hoping.
>You can keep on rejecting his
>knock at your door, or you can give him the
>opportunity to come into your life.
Already done it, but now looking back ignorance and deceit isn't all that appealing anymore.
>>People will say the most ignorant things for god.
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>Almost as ignorant as "My ancestors were chimpanzees
>because my school text book says so!"
Having another hovind moment? Thats sure not what evolution says.
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>>Now your grasping at straws. Its obvious whos blind
>>when creationism can't even support itself, and yet
>>you come up with empty claims that it refutes
>>evolution. You're blowing hot air.
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>Creationsim supports itself just fine, and has plenty
>of evidence against evolution.
Creationism supports itself like a lamp post supports a drunk. Creationism isn't even science, the best it does it recycle decades old arguments thats already been refuted.
>In fact one of
>creationism's most powerful teaching tools is all the
>evidence that evolution does NOT have.
Yea, like "I can't understand it, god did it!".
>When weighed,
>the favor certainly lies in creation's corner.
Not one scrape of evidence supports creationism, the only thing in its favor is ignorance.
>The
>only reason it doesnt seem that way is because so many
>people outwardly and passionately reject God.
Stop making this into a battle about god, its about science. Science rejects this story because it does not meet the requirements, it can't be tested. Inventing some hidden conspiracy doesn't cut it, if you believe it fine but the excuses are wearing thin.
>There's
>ignorance in large numbers. The ACLU is proof of
>that. ;)
Thats fresh.
>>I'm sure it would do alot, evidence tends to show
>>whether something is real or not.
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>If you restrict your mind to requiring physical
>evidence to prove the existence of everything, that's
>great, except you'll have some major trouble finding
>God. Creationism does wonders to get people to think
>about their origins, but God Himself says that eternal
>life requires faith in Jesus.
Think? -lol- You must be joking.
"Hey god did it, no need to look at the evidence", creationism is the opposite of thinking; infact creationists are good examples of zealots who attack anything that doesn't support the myth they peddle. Biology isn't the only target attacked by creationists, others include astromony, and geology; its almost if they see it as a holy war, creationism vs evolution/big bang/(anything else that suggests the earth is billions of years old), or more accuratly ignorance vs science.
Faith comes from
>believing without seeing. What makes you think you're
>so incapable of doing that?
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>I can't remember if this comes from the bible or not,
>but it's the saying that in order to get to heaven,
>one must find faith like that of a child. You know
>how children will believe almost anything you tell
>them, right? Such as Santa Claus? That's because
>they are young and their minds are far more open than
>closed. When they choose to believe in Santa Claus,
>there's no stopping them!
>
>Now let me stop you before you make a sideways comment
>about how only gullible and uninformed people come to
>faith in God. That's not what this is about. My
>point is that faith is all about believing in
>something that does not stimulate any of your five
>physical senses. It's no problem for a child, but
>seemingly unnatural for an adult.
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>>>I cannot believe how constrictive
>>>I was to my intelligence when I believed in
>evolution.
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>>Thats the difference, I've studied evolution.
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>I studied both creationism and other theories of
>origin before giving my life to the Lord. I now have
>a solid foundation of knowledge that I never had
>before, but in my spare time, I try to keep up with
>what evolutionists are spouting.
How much did you study? You should've known it doesn't say we came from monkeys nor that it says life came from non-life.
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>>I've heard the same story, come up with something new.
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>Sorry, God isn't about to change His word for you
>because you find it redundant.
I find your harping redundant, if I've heard it what does repeating it achieve?
Does drilling the same story into someones head make it easier for them to be brainwashed/converted?
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>>Saved from logic and a rational mind. Nice job of
>>turning what was a scientific post into a rant for
>god.
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>I'm still the same person I always was; I still love
>science. I'm just careful not to blindly accept as
>irrefutable science any theories that are hanging by
>loose threads, and I encourage others to do the same.
>
>Creation cannot be proven, but when studied with other
>theories, it becomes sensible.
Creationism already throws out half the scientifc theories, thats not very intelligent or sensible.
>When creation is
>studied with the bible, it becomes rational.
I guess when compared with talking snakes and donkeys its not all that out of the normal.
>And when
>you accept Jesus into your life, it becomes real.
As all those christians who do accept jesus yet believe in evolution, makes them false christians?
Real as you believe it to be anyway.
>You'll probably never experience that unless you
>muster up enough faith to ask Jesus to come into your
>life, forgive you of your sins, and lead you to
>knowledge. I pray you'll have a change of heart and
>let Jesus in. It's so easy NOT to do that, because it
>seems so rediculously out of the question. Believe
>me, I know. Been there; done that.
Exactly, just as you'd put it "Been there; done that"
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