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Date Posted: 04:00:00 08/22/03 Fri
Author: That one Guy
Subject: Yes
In reply to: anyas_butt_monkey 's message, "I say we get things moving.... Season 9 talk!!!" on 00:14:26 08/21/03 Thu

ABM your alive, guess that assassin I sent out after you didn't work....

OK, I say we first come up with the simple stuff: what's going to have happened over the summer?

Maybe they spent the whole time fixing stuff, um the hell mouth did it's normal summer retreat and I don't know...

How far has the rebuilding of Sunnydale gotten? say first 2 episodes still have them building...

Are the Scoobies all still helping, or have they left temporarily while Sunnydale gets rebuilt? Slayer power could make building easier... but they are lazy

How is Past!Giles coping with all his new "memories"?

Don't know let you people think of those, I saw we have someone go insane....

What's the relationships between the gang like, after several months?

Faith/Spike
Dawn/Andrew
Xander/Buffy
Giles/Anya
Willow and Kennedy broken up...

I also think that introducing a couple of new characters, new pals of the Scoobies (not necessarily in on the whole demon vibe), wouldn't be a bad idea. We could write them in as if they've gotten to know our heroes over the summer - no actual introduction, just slowly getting to know them over a few episodes as friends of various Scoobs.

If we do then we have to reconsider the cast, I think we have a lot of characters as it is now, maybe trim down the heard and make them have guest appearances...

Lets get talking!

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[> Some ideas Katie and I had... -- Linda_Delurked, 20:01:03 08/22/03 Fri

We'd speculated on possibilities for season 9, and we had a couple of ideas.

First, we thought it would be fun to have some leftover effects from the enjoining spell. Nothing huge, no power-sharing stuff. Just that every now and then Dawn, Willow and Buffy would be able to sense each others' feelings (and, handily enough, when they're in danger) and would have some of each others' memories.

Second, we thought it would be *really* good if Giles is still injured from the quake. One idea I had was having a normal opening scene with Buffy and Dawn talking to Giles. Giles is sitting behind a desk, and the others are fussing over him. Then, during the conversation Giles comes out from behind the desk and we see that he's in a wheelchair.

Giles will recover, but it takes most of the season. In the meantime he feels frustrated and useless because he's even weaker than he was before. Instead of being Buffy's guide and tutor, he's become a burden (as he sees it). It's also a good way of exploring Buffy's feelings towards Giles, letting her express how she thinks of him as her father, since we've seen that he thinks of her as his daughter (and Dawn too). We think the injury makes a good subplot for the season.

Both Katie and I have started to like Kennedy since we've begun writing for her. We'd like to explore her character more. We also think she should break up with Willow, mostly so we can see how she fits in with the gang when she's not just Willow's girl.

Lastly, and I know other people thought of this too, we want more of the Buffy/Spike/Faith triangle!

Katie wrote in her part of the finale that Faith and Spike were lovers in the Prosawhatshername Utopia. We thought it would be *fantastic* if Faith still has feelings for him. All the gang who were part of that reality remember it. Faith has a whole lifetime of memories, and a lot of them revolve around Spike. We saw that Faith was hunting Spike down in the utopia, after he betrayed her and Prosergonelastseasona. We thought it would be fun to explore that, have Faith in love with the memories of her and Spike. It gives the potential for lots of flashbacks.

I also have this whole plot worked out revolving around someone with powers to raise the dead and a cult bent on raising the anointed one, but I'll explain that later!

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[> [> I like the sound of that -- Wyvern, 21:29:47 08/22/03 Fri

It all makes sense and part of me is really drawn to the Giles injury sub-plot. I agree that I started to warm for Kennedy since I started writing for her too - remember, I ended up writing a Kennedy-centric episode! But I do feel that the Kennedy/WIllow relationship felt forced, so I'd be happy to see her and Willow separated but perhaps still friends; maybe Kennedy sees that Willow wasn't really ready for another serious relationship, maybe Willow sees that she still has some grieving to do before she truly moves on. I think I'd like Willow to have a little breathing space for a while. The only 'ship I'm keen to see taken further is Xander/Anya; we've really been building on them getting back together through S8 and we need some resolution there one way or the other. Traditionally, in the Buffyverse couples can't remain happy together for long, however, in the wider Jossverse, we only have to look at the Zoe/Wash relationship to see that it is possible to have a married couple who have a great deal of history, still love each other, but still manage to have interesting storylines...

Not that I'm saying they should get married, though at 24 they're starting to reach an age where it's a bit more feasible (for my part, I was 2 weeks off my 25th birthday when I got married...). But if they do, bags I the wedding episode!

And yes, more Buffy/Spike/Faith triange. For some reason that excites me far more than the Spike/Buffy/Angel triangle we've kind of had from ME. And not just in the smutty way :)

I haven't really given the plot for S9 a great deal of thought yet, but I'm looking forward to debating it. I do think we might need less elements than this year, though. Raven and The Horsemen and Amy and Proserpexa were all interesting, but did we really need them all? I thought that although Raven was a really interesting concept, and she was generally well conceived and well written, she was ultimately a bit of a fifth wheel; we could have achieved most of the season without her. Part of me wishes we'd saved her for later!

And I love the joining spell idea...

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[> [> Re: -- Sgt. Rock, 23:42:38 08/22/03 Fri

I think the idea of a residual imprint of the enjoined characters is cool as long as it's limited time only. It would create too much of a get-out for people in danger to be able to use it all the time. They could have it for a few episodes but then discover it's harmful, as they're all connected if one of them died severing the connection would kill the other two.

I have mixed feeling about having Giles in a wheelchair, I can't help thinking people will think we just used the Spike in a wheelchair idea from S2. However it does have the cool Professor X vibe to it and I'd LOVE to see people's reaction to that scene.

I'm not sure how I feel about splitting Willow and Kennedy up yet, in a way I felt it would just be a rehash of the Willow/Tara breakup. As we've seen this season with Xander/Anya and Spike/Buffy, there's just too much history for a clean break between two characters who were involved. But on the other hand Kennedy needs something to do besides being Willow's girlfriend.

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