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Subject: Re: Where the rubber hits the road.

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Gill

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Date Posted: 07:10:13 04/22/02 Mon
In reply to: ZERO 's message, "Re: Where the rubber hits the road." on 21:31:26 04/21/02 Sun

Hey Zero
Yes, this is good - you're pressing my buttons big time!

I totally disagree that "people are already enlightened" in their 1st birth. No, although of course consciousness is there, it is somehow totally unaware of itself and consequently totally identifies with the body and mind - and thus we feel like separate individuals. There's some good theories about this in the writings of Phil Servedio, if you're interested (on the Internet) about how Being somehow cuts itself off, as it were, via a knot on the right hand side of the heart, to make us feel thus separated. I go along with this - as I was first blasted out of my 1st birth state by an initiation which unravelled this knot and revealed the seat of Divine Consciousness. IT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED - and I felt totally betrayed. To me, this is the foundation of all feelings of abandonment and betrayal that we project onto our parents - it's not their fault, but BEING's fault, for thus cutting itself off and "abandoning" us into this world of separation. (Whether it does this intentionally or not we don't know). My mind saw that EVERYTHING it had thought life was about was totally wrong. Well...I've been adjusting ever since. And it still took me another 4 years to fully come into my 2nd birth, as Saniel teaches it.

But I do agree with you about the need to own our personal identities as well as our impersonal identity. But it is a fallacy to say (as many Buddhists do) that you're already enlightened in the 1st birth.

Regards,

Gill

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Subject	Author	Date
Re: Where the rubber hits the road.	ZERO	10:02:06 04/22/02 Mon
Re: Where the rubber hits the road. -- Gill, 15:29:15 04/22/02 Mon Re: Where the rubber hits the road. -- ZERO, 20:39:03 04/22/02 Mon Re: Where the rubber hits the road. -- Gill, 01:32:06 04/24/02 Wed Realization -- ZERO, 06:46:13 04/25/02 Thu