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Date Posted: 13:49:53 04/29/02 Mon
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ZERO.
's message, "More Stuff" on 08:27:30 04/29/02 Mon
Zero,
I officially give You the imprimatur, daring and greenlight to identify yourself and the permission, boldness and go-ahead - thanks, Roget - to out your email address to all of us on this forum. And why not.......................
~Comments on your More Stuff.
Dear Cassandra;
I looked at your post. You say “…Soon I am just Here, where Here is seamless and all inclusive. Here where love is who I am, holding every other aspect of myself in a totally inclusive embrace... The Place, I am in The Place. A place without dimensions, without duration a Just Here sort of place. Feels good.”
If you are in a place without dimension, and without time, there is no room for Cassandra.
~From the mind's view, this is true.
Cassandra, the person, can not exist without space or time.
~From the mind's view, this true.
A person is more than your feelings, a person is physical, matter.
You also say … I know "No Thing"! A human being is a thing, a physical real objective thing. You give lip service to the human being, but there is no room in your beliefs for an individual person.
~Perhaps you are being presumptive. (I also have the same leftover reaction to advaitists.)
And you say .. “All the hopeful happy endings finally fall away and you are just left with this horrible gaping unresolvableness.”
IT IS NOT UNRESOLVABLE!
~Instead of a (excuse me) possible kneejerk, "it is not unresolvable", at least ponder the idea of living with the
non-understandable "unresolvable" in every moment. This Is an awestruckdumb Mystery, and nothing much very romantic about it. "What a lemon of a realization!"
Because this mystery can not be understood, you say you refrain from escaping into hypermasculine thought. But the idea that you are in a place without space or time is a thought.
~How about just being in it without an "idea."
The idea that there is “No Thing” is a thought.
~How about just being in it without an "idea."
And the idea
~How about just being in it without an "idea."
that this whole core wound is “unresolveable” is a thought. These ideas
~How about just being in it without any "ideas."
create a confining image of who you are. And they are not true!
~Who is here to say what's "true." Ideas are only ideas. And so is the idea of no idea, but how about just being in and as and of and through This without an "idea," without even the idea of no idea. (Our minds are most useful, but are not the only way to understand eveything.)
Here I have a quote from Ted. “The core wound is the result of a dis-integration (actually, the unrealized union) of the two primary parts of our being).” Ted is saying that the core wound is not really a split at all, it is an unrealized union! This is the resolution you say does not exist!
~Has it occured to you that perhaps "this horrible gaping unresolvableness” is itself the union, is itself the resolution. Oh no! Not that!
It is Unity you seek.
~Has it occured to you that perhaps Cassandra is no longer seeking.
Second, he says the TWO parts of our being are Consciousness and Relative Phenomena (especially our own body-mind). And what do you say “My experience is that Consciousness includes everything.…..” You have to be careful with statements like that. If there is ONLY
~Includes is not the same as ONLY. (I have the same leftover reaction to advaitists.)
consciousness, then what are the TWO parts of our being? There is more than just consciousness to reality. If there were only consciousness, life would be like a dream, with no you or no me, just the big C consciousness. (A very Advaitist view.) Life is a play between the Absolute of consciousness and the relative of matter and “things”. You can’t have one without the other. Absolute/Relative.
And finally, it is about your anger. Half of your post was in CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Maybe the capitals are Cassandra's statements and the lower case is her quotes of you; in which case (pun intended) you have presumed anger.
I don’t know what the anger is about,
~Also, it has often occured to me that perhaps sometimes it may be easier to understand others to some degree than to understand what all I hide from myself. And that if others point out to me what I am hiding from myself, I can, out of unnoticed habit, let's call it "autopilot", defend myself, - while graciously appearing (at least to myself) to not be defending at all - rather than taking a look at myself from the others' point of view. And that this autopilot of mine can make others angry when I don't seem to even be able to notice any autopilot when at the same time they can clearly see exactly how I'm on autopilot. Could this be called one facet of Mutuality.
~My experience of the core wound includes anger, among whole lots of darknesses, more and more of which I actually have no longer have any choice but "to accept" because This (acceptance) Is, paradoxically, Unity.
but there is some question in my mind about Saniel sending people through with too much baggage.
~You're not the first to notice this. The latest "policy" is to NOT rush 2nd birth. (Although 2nd birth will occur in its own time for each person.)
I am not just talking about you, I am talking about my own baggage also. These are mostly wounds that come through with us, and cause pain and suffering. It seems that these issues should be confronted before a second birth.
~If this is at all possible without resorting to the heroic pre-disciplines of the old hypermasculine schools.
~And, for each of us, there are unique wounds that can only Really be noticed and recognized after 2nd birth - such self-recognition gradually over time bleeds them away, and, as a result of such self-recognition, they tend naturally over time, to have withered away - at least somewhat; check back with me in 5 years.
The point is not to Awaken as many people as possible, but to Awaken as many as smoothly as possible.
~And we're each and all continuing to learn how to do this.
So, I assume you will find another disjunct here. Nothing I say makes any sense to you.
~Perhaps it makes sense to Cassandra in a different way than it makes sense to you.
That is fine. I said what I said because I feel strongly that these things are true. I might be too harsh, I don’t know, but I feel honest. If you get nothing out of it, OK, maybe someone else will.
~To quote Ted: "Our view on Life and Being is necessarily colored by our unique capacity to perceive, to intuit,
and to understand. Each of us is a totally unique filter on Being, and therefore has a totally unique view of Life. Each view is “true” in that it is a valid fractal view of the whole. Still, every view is different from every other view and therefore necessarily an impenetrable Mystery to the others; a Mystery which can, at best, only be partially communicated. This truth has caused us humans a lot of confusion: whose Truth is True?"
I think that is all.
Sincerely ZERO.
~To again quote Ted: "My view on reality may make no sense to you. Or, it might make sense if only I could communicate it to you in a way that you could understand. In my attempts to communicate with you through words, I will necessarily fail, for words are exceedingly limited. Each word is like a leaf on a maple tree in autumn; a bright flash, perhaps, but a paltry attempt to communicate the whole. As painful as I find this, it is a necessary limit I both accept and reject. I reject that limit in that I may never be able to stop trying.
"I do not know how to transmit to you my awareness of the Whole of Being, of who I know you Are, of What I know Life Is. I struggle to squeeze the Infinite Wholeness out through the finitude of words on a page." (Or screen.) "I struggle because it matters; because nothing matters more. I have realized God, and I want you to realize God for yourself. I am a prophet, a preacher, a crazy man standing on the corner shouting apparent insanities. But I cannot help myself, for to me there is absolutely nothing more important in life than to communicate my Awakeness in a way that Awakens You. And so I will rant. I hope that you are ready to Listen."
~Let's all of us continue to rant our Awakeness Here on this forum. And keep finding ways to Listen and to rant in ways that can be Heard.
Love,
Art
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