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Date Posted: 05:36:33 04/23/03 Wed
Author: Kharn
Author Host/IP: kharnserv.xs4all.nl / 213.84.47.237
Subject: Oh, right, Dutch crime rates

I don't feel much like typing about this, but I said I would, hence I will.

Now, let me start off by saying you can not blame the Dutch high crime rates on gun laws or drug laws. Both laws are ancient, and the Dutch had lower crime rates than the US in the 80's and probably early 90's as well. There might be a connection, surely, but it's not a direct one.

So why has the Netherlands turned into a post-WW2 Berlin?

Well, I have to blame the bad immigration policy again. It's not the number of immigrants that's the problem, I mean, you can have lots of immigrants, as long as they integrate.

Whenever discussing the integration problems, there's always a group of people arguing that we should duplicate the American/English integration system, i.e. people must be able to speak the language before immigrating and some other demands. We have no demands at all right now, for all practical reasons, except that "your life should be in danger, kinda".

You get the picture, we have a lot of immigrants here that do not speak our language and, more importantly, do not hold to our set norms and values; they do not respect authority or care much for our laws, though I bet they do care about muslim laws. But those laws just aren't ours.

This problem has been here for the past decade or so, but it's always been ignored. The bad thing is, though, that now that it's no longer being ignored it's getting worse. "If man defines situations as real they are real in their consequences", y'know; if we keep saying "all those immigrants are criminals", they don't have much of a choice besides beocming criminals.

More important is a more recent problem; because of rather flawed government cut-backs and spreading of funding during the economic uptimes the past decade, our police force has been reduced to scrap compared to what it used to be.

All respect for the police is gone, nobody really cares what they say or do, and most people don't care much for those important social laws (i.e. traffic rules and the loads of (un)written rules of conduct).

The entire law-processing is pretty much jammed up. We don't have enough lawyers to process every case and the "district attorneys office" (as I think you'd call it) is way too small as well. The paperwork is stuck up the wazoo and lots of cases, especially traffic violations, but more important cases as well, get missed.

Prisons are full as well, so full that we started putting the coke-smugglers in makeshift cells at Schiphol, even having more than one person per cell, which the Dutch tend to consider barbaric and an outrage. In the meantime, the coke-smuggling problems isn't being solved by capturing these peasents either.

Well, you probaly won't take the size of this problem serious, anyway, since it's all small-scale by American standards, and it's hard to understand from the outside how social problems can effect a country like this, but here you have it, this is the problem summarized; integration problems, social problems and police force problems.

I don't feel like explaining it well enough, so I suppose this isn't very convincing, but if you want I can search for some interesting articles.

Most recent development: one of our more important judges has stated that mirahuana and hash should be legalised completely (as opposed to the system explained by Vincent Vega in Pulp Fiction) and maybe afterwards a number of hard drugs should be legalised, though until now he hasn't decided on the subjects as hard drugs are pretty dangerous. His main reason for this is that the processing of crimes related to these drugs takes too long, and this won't be necessary if the drugs are legal.

Reacting to that, the "Congress" will probably pass another bill to competely legalise this drug and if they're backed up by the government more properly this time than the last time (5 years ago), it'll go through.

Also; there is currently only one legal weed-farm in Holland, for medicinal purposes. It's run by an American who has an eye sickness which requires mirahuana to be treated. If he doesn't smoke pot, he goes blind, but even then, that was illegal in America. Hence he decided to move to a truly free country :D

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